Bad news for our resident atheists

God doesn't exist in a world that allows little children to be hurt and gives miracles to undeserving adults. If he does... I don't want any part of him.

by Wordslinger Today at 12:42 am
Pacedog needs to accept that science will never seek to prove God's existence, because there is no credible hard evidence suggesting such existence. There never has been nor never will be. The absence of evidence cannot be used as evidence -- yet that premise is the basis of virtually every pseudo-scientific claim that God once existed, or still does. First a question is presented that cannot currently be answered, and then the claim is made that that inability to answer proves creationism or intelligent design.

Belief in a god entity is just that and nothing more: belief.

Belief in the tooth fairy is just that and nothing more: belief.

As for my own view of the subject, I don't believe in a God entity because the entire concept is simply too bizarre to swallow.

Reality.

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Reality is that you choose to ignore the truth.

by Vikingwoman Today at 4:03 am
God doesn't exist in a world that allows little children to be hurt and gives miracles to undeserving adults. If he does... I don't want any part of him.

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Who are you to judge who deserves and who does not?

Vikingwoman wrote:God doesn't exist in a world that allows little children to be hurt and gives miracles to undeserving adults. If he does... I don't want any part of him.

Who are you to apply abstract human morals and values to God?

Whether it be free will or fate man lives in a world of infinite variety.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky1nY3jlq1M

KarlRove wrote:

polecat wrote:Morality is doing right no matter what you are told
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.

H L Mencken

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As a frank admirer of German philosopher Nietzsche, he was a detractor of religion in general, populism and representative democracy, which he believed was a system in which inferior men dominated their superiors.

Why don't you quote someone with AMERICAN values and not communistic one values?

That cut a little to close to the bone for you?

Here you go a couple from Arthur C Clark not a commie but a gay guy

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God but to create him.


The greatest tragedy in mankind’s entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion.

2seaoat wrote:Matthew six has guided my life since I was in the 9th grade.  It recognizes that I do not need the knight or his peers to interpret god, but that God has a direct line with each of us.  I have not physically found a cord or wire connected to my body, nor have I discovered the frequency which allows the same.......it is undetectable.  The Easter Bunny, and Santa are man made fantasy to entertain children, and you argue that religion is the same.  That is the simplistic approach to the same because most of the hypocrites speak the loudest to proclaim their utter ignorance which most rational people observe and with scorn dismiss the belief in God, if for nothing more than the simplicity and superstition displayed by so many.  However, faith is not that simple nor is it defined by those who claim they speak for God.  No man of God has ever shown me the wire or frequency.....yet with certainty they explain they control the same, and only through them can man access god.....but Matthew six clearly does not say this.   The undetectable and the ignorant have no bearing on my faith, none whatsoever.

So when we limit a computer to the known software and hardware, we then limit the possibility of undetected virus, or other unknown capabilities which we do not understand today.   Faith in God is not the same as the Easter Bunny or Santa.  It is the belief in the connection not yet discovered, or defined, and that higher level concept cannot be shackled by the superstition and limitations of the knights of the round table or their peers who edited the King James version of the bible, rather faith is the belief that the connection exists, and I have no problem if you believe that your computer cannot be hacked and that the hardware and software limitiations are finite......they have proven not to be.

Just to clarify, I'm not even remotely suggesting that we have discovered all that there is to discover.  I'm not saying that the existence of things that we can not yet detect is an impossibility.   In fact, the exact opposite is the case.  There are things that we know we don't know.  Take quantum mechanics and the double-slit experiment, for example.  That has been around for over a hundred years and we still haven't a clue as to how that works.  

What I am saying, is that religion presents a roadblock to actually detecting the undetected and discovering the undiscovered.  It has throughout history and it continues to do so today.  The sooner humanity sheds religion, so the sooner we'll be on our way to actually answering many of the questions that we have today.  

It is laughable to believe that - out of thousands of religions - one in particular, more so than science, has the answers to all that we'll ever need.

I'll conclude on this note.  In the past, religion was often looked to as the authority on certain questions about the natural world.  

Why does the sun rise?

Why do seasons change?

Why does it rain?

Why do tides come in and out?

Humanity used to look to religion as the authority on all of these questions and more.  "(Insert god) did that"  The end.  No need to research.  No need to explore and actually explain these phenomenon.  "(Insert god) did that"

Over time, religion has been relieved if its authority on those questions by scientific study and examination.  We know how all of those things work now, and none of them are due to the supernatural.  They all emerge from natural physical processes.

So over time, we have seen a steady trend of religion relinquishing its authority to science on questions about the natural world.

When has science ever relinquished anything to religion?   Has there ever - in the entire history of humanity - been any subject area in which science had to concede authority to religion on any question?

The answer is "no".  And there never will be.

polecat wrote:

KarlRove wrote:

polecat wrote:Morality is doing right no matter what you are told
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.

H L Mencken

------------
As a frank admirer of German philosopher Nietzsche, he was a detractor of religion in general, populism and representative democracy, which he believed was a system in which inferior men dominated their superiors.

Why don't you quote someone with AMERICAN values and not communistic one values?

That cut a little to close to the bone for you?

Considering the adulation and idolization given to the blood soaked Nobel Champion Of Peace by his followers it makes perfect sense as he creates a bloody path of innocent bodies through a couple more countries following his and their Darwinistic morals from their god that's not a god.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGPD0ZBiMs0

Considering the adulation and idolization given to the blood soaked Nobel Champion Of Peace by his followers it makes perfect sense as he creates a bloody path of innocent bodies through a couple more countries following his and their Darwinistic morals from their god that's not a god.

LOL
"Bloody Path" that is rich what do you call what "W" Dubya and OL Sure Shot Dick Cheney left behind a Bloody River?

boards of FL wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Matthew six has guided my life since I was in the 9th grade.  It recognizes that I do not need the knight or his peers to interpret god, but that God has a direct line with each of us.  I have not physically found a cord or wire connected to my body, nor have I discovered the frequency which allows the same.......it is undetectable.  The Easter Bunny, and Santa are man made fantasy to entertain children, and you argue that religion is the same.  That is the simplistic approach to the same because most of the hypocrites speak the loudest to proclaim their utter ignorance which most rational people observe and with scorn dismiss the belief in God, if for nothing more than the simplicity and superstition displayed by so many.  However, faith is not that simple nor is it defined by those who claim they speak for God.  No man of God has ever shown me the wire or frequency.....yet with certainty they explain they control the same, and only through them can man access god.....but Matthew six clearly does not say this.   The undetectable and the ignorant have no bearing on my faith, none whatsoever.

So when we limit a computer to the known software and hardware, we then limit the possibility of undetected virus, or other unknown capabilities which we do not understand today.   Faith in God is not the same as the Easter Bunny or Santa.  It is the belief in the connection not yet discovered, or defined, and that higher level concept cannot be shackled by the superstition and limitations of the knights of the round table or their peers who edited the King James version of the bible, rather faith is the belief that the connection exists, and I have no problem if you believe that your computer cannot be hacked and that the hardware and software limitiations are finite......they have proven not to be.

Just to clarify, I'm not even remotely suggesting that we have discovered all that there is to discover.  I'm not saying that the existence of things that we can not yet detect is an impossibility.   In fact, the exact opposite is the case.  There are things that we know we don't know.  Take quantum mechanics and the double-slit experiment, for example.  That has been around for over a hundred years and we still haven't a clue as to how that works.  

What I am saying, is that religion presents a roadblock to actually detecting the undetected and discovering the undiscovered.  It has throughout history and it continues to do so today.  The sooner humanity sheds religion, so the sooner we'll be on our way to actually answering many of the questions that we have today.  

It is laughable to believe that - out of thousands of religions - one in particular, more so than science, has the answers to all that we'll ever need.

I'll conclude on this note.  In the past, religion was often looked to as the authority on certain questions about the natural world.  

Why does the sun rise?

Why do seasons change?

Why does it rain?

Why do tides come in and out?

Humanity used to look to religion as the authority on all of these questions and more.  "(Insert god) did that"  The end.  No need to research.  No need to explore and actually explain these phenomenon.  "(Insert god) did that"

Over time, religion has been relieved if its authority on those questions by scientific study and examination.  We know how all of those things work now, and none of them are due to the supernatural.  They all emerge from natural physical processes.

So over time, we have seen a steady trend of religion relinquishing its authority to science on questions about the natural world.

When has science ever relinquished anything to religion?   Has there ever - in the entire history of humanity - been any subject area in which science had to concede authority to religion on any question?

The answer is "no".  And there never will be.

Why do little girls like butterflies need no reason?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrV6exi1WlM

polecat wrote:Considering the adulation and idolization given to the blood soaked Nobel Champion Of Peace by his followers it makes perfect sense as he creates a bloody path of innocent bodies through a couple more countries following his and their Darwinistic morals from their god that's not a god.

LOL
"Bloody Path" that is rich what do you call what "W" Dubya and OL Sure Shot Dick Cheney left behind a Bloody River?

Shall we count the number of dead killed in military actions by the US for each year and see which river is wider?

Just remember that your blood soaked Nobel Hero isn't done cutting his bloody path through history yet.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKOngTfTMs0

So you are telling me that the Kenyan Usurper has killed more than dubya...
well don't that make your guy a pussy.

A Nobel Peace Prize winner shouldn't be making anyone die.

Some seem to think that the only choice we have is EITHER we believe in god OR we believe in obama (or bush or some other president).

I don't really believe in any celebrities including gods or politicians.
I believe in nature and the gift of life. I don't need celebrities for that.

Stephan Hawking is rated among today's most brilliant scientists. His non-religion is still good enough for me!

Other than the Bible or Quran or Torah, all of which were written by men who thought the earth was flat, and had no idea about the function of a kidney, can someone ... anyone . . . submit some hard evidence that a God or Gods ever existed?

I'm all ears ...

Again you didn't read the link

KarlRove wrote:Again you didn't read the link

Not about to subscribe to Wall St. Journal. Where else can this article be read?

No need to read your Wall St. link: Huffington Post reviewed it and offers the same response I would have had --

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-geoffrey-a-mitelman/sorry-science-doesnt-make_b_6392000.html


Again, the absence of knowledge is not proof of anything at all -- other than the absence of knowledge.

But you're absolutely correct that any article which pretends to be scientific when it's nothing but a sham, is indeed bad news.

Here are some real historical facts about Jesus that real Christians should acknowledge:

Not one of the so-called "gospels" of the New Testament was written by anyone who actually knew or had a personal relationship with Jesus ...

See the following:

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/highlight/author-explores-uncomfortable-facts-about-jesus/51e5aa6e02a760286b00018f?cps=gravity_2598_8109042320138269868

Try getting some of these devout christians to acknowledge they believe in folklore. Good luck.

Wordslinger wrote:Here are some real historical facts about Jesus that real Christians should acknowledge:

Not one of the so-called "gospels" of the New Testament was written by anyone who actually knew or had a personal relationship with Jesus ...

See the following:

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/highlight/author-explores-uncomfortable-facts-about-jesus/51e5aa6e02a760286b00018f?cps=gravity_2598_8109042320138269868

Must really be hard for you to live in Pace with all the churches per square mile.

Bob wrote:Some seem to think that the only choice we have is EITHER we believe in god OR we believe in obama (or bush or some other president).

I don't really believe in any celebrities including gods or politicians.  
I believe in nature and the gift of life.  I don't need celebrities for that.

My point is that all the atheists, all of whom appear to be liberal, have supported the bloodiest presidency in recent history and it's probably because of their Darwinistic morals.

They scream a good line when someone they don't support is in the White House but when it's their guy it seems the bloodier the better.

How else can they support the complete destruction of a wedding party for only one or two suspected terrorists and other incidents where there is/was high collateral damage to innocents to take out one or two people?

Obviously life is cheap to them because they think they are the fittest.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmuZsSsyQ-M

Damaged Eagle wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Matthew six has guided my life since I was in the 9th grade.  It recognizes that I do not need the knight or his peers to interpret god, but that God has a direct line with each of us.  I have not physically found a cord or wire connected to my body, nor have I discovered the frequency which allows the same.......it is undetectable.  The Easter Bunny, and Santa are man made fantasy to entertain children, and you argue that religion is the same.  That is the simplistic approach to the same because most of the hypocrites speak the loudest to proclaim their utter ignorance which most rational people observe and with scorn dismiss the belief in God, if for nothing more than the simplicity and superstition displayed by so many.  However, faith is not that simple nor is it defined by those who claim they speak for God.  No man of God has ever shown me the wire or frequency.....yet with certainty they explain they control the same, and only through them can man access god.....but Matthew six clearly does not say this.   The undetectable and the ignorant have no bearing on my faith, none whatsoever.

So when we limit a computer to the known software and hardware, we then limit the possibility of undetected virus, or other unknown capabilities which we do not understand today.   Faith in God is not the same as the Easter Bunny or Santa.  It is the belief in the connection not yet discovered, or defined, and that higher level concept cannot be shackled by the superstition and limitations of the knights of the round table or their peers who edited the King James version of the bible, rather faith is the belief that the connection exists, and I have no problem if you believe that your computer cannot be hacked and that the hardware and software limitiations are finite......they have proven not to be.

Just to clarify, I'm not even remotely suggesting that we have discovered all that there is to discover.  I'm not saying that the existence of things that we can not yet detect is an impossibility.   In fact, the exact opposite is the case.  There are things that we know we don't know.  Take quantum mechanics and the double-slit experiment, for example.  That has been around for over a hundred years and we still haven't a clue as to how that works.  

What I am saying, is that religion presents a roadblock to actually detecting the undetected and discovering the undiscovered.  It has throughout history and it continues to do so today.  The sooner humanity sheds religion, so the sooner we'll be on our way to actually answering many of the questions that we have today.  

It is laughable to believe that - out of thousands of religions - one in particular, more so than science, has the answers to all that we'll ever need.

I'll conclude on this note.  In the past, religion was often looked to as the authority on certain questions about the natural world.  

Why does the sun rise?

Why do seasons change?

Why does it rain?

Why do tides come in and out?

Humanity used to look to religion as the authority on all of these questions and more.  "(Insert god) did that"  The end.  No need to research.  No need to explore and actually explain these phenomenon.  "(Insert god) did that"

Over time, religion has been relieved if its authority on those questions by scientific study and examination.  We know how all of those things work now, and none of them are due to the supernatural.  They all emerge from natural physical processes.

So over time, we have seen a steady trend of religion relinquishing its authority to science on questions about the natural world.

When has science ever relinquished anything to religion?   Has there ever - in the entire history of humanity - been any subject area in which science had to concede authority to religion on any question?

The answer is "no".  And there never will be.

Why do little girls like butterflies need no reason?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrV6exi1WlM

Did your science fail you?

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcL---4xQYA

KarlRove wrote:by Vikingwoman Today at 4:03 am
God doesn't exist in a world that allows little children to be hurt and gives miracles to undeserving adults. If he does... I don't want any part of him.

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Who are you to judge who deserves and who does not?

I can judge anybody I want. It's called free will.Right? Take you for example. You epitomize christianity like the hunchback of Notre Dame epitomizes beauty.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Vikingwoman wrote:God doesn't exist in a world that allows little children to be hurt and gives miracles to undeserving adults. If he does... I don't want any part of him.

Who are you to apply abstract human morals and values to God?

Whether it be free will or fate man lives in a world of infinite variety.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky1nY3jlq1M

STFU,pervert. I don't want you replying to any of my posts. You creep me out.