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Too much salary for assistance but not enough to live on: ALICE

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Excellent article. I've seen this on a weekly basis volunteering for a non-profit that provides food to these families that fall between the cracks. They are working one to three jobs but as the article says they are one step away from a disaster that could take away everything.

While the city of Pensacola has done well to bring entertainment and tourism to downtown, the county lacks. Where is the leadership to bring in substantial employment to the area as was available years ago?


http://inweekly.net/wordpress/?p=20981

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Much of that substantial employment was directly from govt contract and largesse... and what wasn't relied upon it.

Todays reality will feel the same effects reaching further and further down the line... see greece, portugal, spain... etc.

Bad ideas fail... eventually... certainly.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

We need more industry.

The city of Pensacola does not support the Port of Pensacola, a port is an asset to industry as is a rail system. Instead the city leaders chose a mixed media venue for downtown Pensacola. A mixed media provides many part-time employment oppurtunities....low-wage employment for bartenders and servers. Those are the jobs that require second and third jobs to make ends meet. A rail system in the downtown area is an inconvinience for people wanting to frequent the local bars and restaurants....another deterrent to industry.

County officials never pursued a link to I-65, instead Pensacola has remained landlocked with only an East-West interstate corridor.

Many factors attract industry...Pensacola is low on that list.

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It appears ( I won't flat out blame them) there is no forward planning that includes marketing the city to light industry. Mobile has far surpassed us in gaining companies like Austal and AirBus. One small trickle at the Pensacola Airport from the Mobile business is all that has come out of Mobile being the prime.

Wasting away in Margaritaville...

2seaoat



I disagree.  We need to raise the minimum wage to an index adjusted for inflation to the level of 1968, and to do the same over the next decade.  Many of the folks who are working multiple jobs are working for corporations like Wal Mart which have had record profits taken from America, while the American taxpayer has to give subsidy to those workers who are not getting a working wage.

The service industry is growing in Pensacola.   There will be spill over from the success of Mobile in the industrial sector, but until this rigged game is addressed the American taxpayer is subsidizing Wal Mart and every fast food chain which does not pay a living wage.   Where I disagree with the Seattle approach to minimum wage is that it will only lead to inflation if done too quickly.   We need an immediate and gradual removal of folks from government subsidy who are working by demanding a living wage.   As those who have more dollars to spend, GDP will grow with consumer demand.   The solutions in the Pensacola area are happening as we speak with the service industry, but in an economy driven by service jobs which require taxpayer subsidy, the quickest route to sanity is fixing the minimum wage.......slowly over a decade.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

2seaoat wrote:I disagree.  We need to raise the minimum wage to an index adjusted for inflation to the level of 1968, and to do the same over the next decade.  Many of the folks who are working multiple jobs are working for corporations like Wal Mart which have had record profits taken from America, while the American taxpayer has to give subsidy to those workers who are not getting a working wage.

The service industry is growing in Pensacola.   There will be spill over from the success of Mobile in the industrial sector, but until this rigged game is addressed the American taxpayer is subsidizing Wal Mart and every fast food chain which does not pay a living wage.   Where I disagree with the Seattle approach to minimum wage is that it will only lead to inflation if done too quickly.   We need an immediate and gradual removal of folks from government subsidy who are working by demanding a living wage.   As those who have more dollars to spend, GDP will grow with consumer demand.   The solutions in the Pensacola area are happening as we speak with the service industry, but in an economy driven by service jobs which require taxpayer subsidy, the quickest route to sanity is fixing the minimum wage.......slowly over a decade.


The solutions in the Pensacola area are happening as we speak with the service industry...... lol!

2seaoat



The solutions in the Pensacola area are happening as we speak with the service industry......

Good jobs with Navy Credit Union, and more coming as they are growing at record rates and are penetrating the national market. Those financial sector service jobs are critical to the evolving diversified Pensacola economy. Good things are happening.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Pensacola once had a thriving port. I surely wouldn't want Pensacola to look like Mobile, but ignoring the potential of our port seems extremely shortsighted. But all we have to do is look back...before they built the monstrosity of a Judicial Center...before they let the Lexington get away...before the San Carlos Hotel was razed...and the Bayfront Auditorium became history, never to be seen again...and why did Gulf Power build their corporate offices on that prime waterfront, tearing down historic housing in the process? That land had a much higher and better use...

boards of FL

boards of FL

There simply isn't enough talent in Pensacola to justify a business relocating here (in the realm of tech/development, at least). We are a healthcare/call center/tourism economy.


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by 2seaoat Today at 12:42 pm
I disagree. We need to raise the minimum wage to an index adjusted for inflation to the level of 1968, and to do the same over the next decade. Many of the folks who are working multiple jobs are working for corporations like Wal Mart which have had record profits taken from America, while the American taxpayer has to give subsidy to those workers who are not getting a working wage.

The service industry is growing in Pensacola. There will be spill over from the success of Mobile in the industrial sector, but until this rigged game is addressed the American taxpayer is subsidizing Wal Mart and every fast food chain which does not pay a living wage. Where I disagree with the Seattle approach to minimum wage is that it will only lead to inflation if done too quickly. We need an immediate and gradual removal of folks from government subsidy who are working by demanding a living wage. As those who have more dollars to spend, GDP will grow with consumer demand. The solutions in the Pensacola area are happening as we speak with the service industry, but in an economy driven by service jobs which require taxpayer subsidy, the quickest route to sanity is fixing the minimum wage.......slowly over a decade.
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The problem is people like yourself who see us trying to siphon off what Mobile or anyone else is doing. Why can't we have an original idea or something specific for this area? What is our niche industrially or technologically that makes us stand out? We don't have that and that is what is wrong with why we are dependent on state and fed govt.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

boards of FL wrote:There simply isn't enough talent in Pensacola to justify a business relocating here (in the realm of tech/development, at least).  We are a healthcare/call center/tourism economy.

And what kind of "talent" is necessary?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Joanimaroni wrote:
boards of FL wrote:There simply isn't enough talent in Pensacola to justify a business relocating here (in the realm of tech/development, at least).  We are a healthcare/call center/tourism economy.

And what kind of "talent" is necessary?
The kind Boards doesn't have....

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There simply isn't enough talent in Pensacola to justify a business relocating here (in the realm of tech/development, at least).  We are a healthcare/call center/tourism economy.[/quote]

"Build it and they will come".

People in search of work will make the decision to relocate to Pensacola - people do it all the time.  Just ask some of the recent graduates - they say they'd like to stay here, but can't find work commensurate with their skills.  So they move to Atlanta, or Minneapolis, etc.

The 2000 + 5000 additions to the Pensacola location of NFCU will undoubtedly be filled with some transfers from its other offices, such as Vienna.

Pensacola has enough education institutions to provide qualified workers.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Joanimaroni wrote:
boards of FL wrote:There simply isn't enough talent in Pensacola to justify a business relocating here (in the realm of tech/development, at least).  We are a healthcare/call center/tourism economy.

And what kind of "talent" is necessary?


The type that would incentivize a business to relocate here.


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colaguy wrote:Just ask some of the recent graduates - they say they'd like to stay here, but can't find work commensurate with their skills.


That is all well and good if a business needs interns; however, many need employees with a bit more experience to train those interns, and that well is fairly dry in Pensacola.


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boards of FL wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:
boards of FL wrote:There simply isn't enough talent in Pensacola to justify a business relocating here (in the realm of tech/development, at least).  We are a healthcare/call center/tourism economy.

And what kind of "talent" is necessary?


The type that would incentivize a business to relocate here.  


Around and around we go. Arrow


What talents would provide an incentive for industry and businesses to relocate to Pensacola?



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boards of FL wrote:
colaguy wrote:Just ask some of the recent graduates - they say they'd like to stay here, but can't find work commensurate with their skills.


That is all well and good if a business needs interns; however, many need employees with a bit more experience to train those interns, and that well is fairly dry in Pensacola.

Nonsense.

Businesses need workers from the Top to the Bottom.  Sure, there are some Top positions that might require recruiting from a larger market - think of the heads of local organizations, such as Sacred Heart Hospital.  When its president is changed he/she typically comes from somewhere other than Pcola.  But there are plenty of local workers to fill positions from, e.g., the Middle to Lower positions.

2seaoat



Silicon Valley has a very different Labor pool than Pensacola. Chicago, La, and NY have diversified and large economies who have ample trained people, but the question which is becoming increasingly more important is the quality of life. Downtown Pensacola has become an urbane magnet for culture and entertainment. However, when you look at the schools in the Panhandle, they are not performing even close to average on the national level, and will decision makers want to be bringing their families to Pensacola. My answer is yes, because many schools are performing and the average hides many quality schools. Manufacturing can already draw on an existing industrial base to get skilled positions......it just is a little more difficult. In regards to Mobile, I would argue that the STATE of Alabama has been the catalyst, and not local government. Florida has dropped the ball.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

2seaoat wrote:Silicon Valley has a very different Labor pool than Pensacola.  Chicago, La, and NY have diversified and large economies who have ample trained people, but the question which is becoming increasingly more important is the quality of life.   Downtown Pensacola has become an urbane magnet for culture and entertainment.  However, when you look at the schools in the Panhandle, they are not performing even close to average on the national level, and will decision makers want to be bringing their families to Pensacola.  My answer is yes, because many schools are performing  and the average hides many quality schools.  Manufacturing can already draw on an existing industrial base to get skilled positions......it just is a little more difficult.   In regards to Mobile, I would argue that the STATE of Alabama has been the catalyst, and not local government.  Florida has dropped the ball.

Do you have a link showing a comparison of Panhandle schools to the ntional average?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Well since people are 70% water this may be a problem.....garbage in garbage out...

http://www.northescambia.com/2009/12/study-finds-pensacola-has-the-nations-worst-water


Too much salary for assistance but not enough to live on: ALICE Water4
like trying to run your car on sludge....

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Well since people are 70% water this may be a problem.....garbage in garbage out...

http://www.northescambia.com/2009/12/study-finds-pensacola-has-the-nations-worst-water


Too much salary for assistance but not enough to live on: ALICE Water4
like trying to run your car on sludge....

a. This study is from 2009 based on data collected 2004-2008
b. The study cites "Emerald Coast Water Utility", which does not exist
c. The current EWG website National Drinking Water Database for Pensacola shows no "Over the Legal Limits" on anything detected, and no EPA violations since 2004

I assume you were being tongue-in-cheek when you posted this, but its assertions don't seem to be valid.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:Well since people are 70% water this may be a problem.....garbage in garbage out...

http://www.northescambia.com/2009/12/study-finds-pensacola-has-the-nations-worst-water


Too much salary for assistance but not enough to live on: ALICE Water4
like trying to run your car on sludge....


And here is a link to the ECUA's response to this "study":

http://www.ecua.fl.gov/system/files/Customer%20Pipeline%202012/CPFEB2012WEB.pdf

“the EWG report does not present a valid scientific assessment of water toxicity, nor are its comparisons of utility systems statistically valid.”

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Averaged Concentration shown in Table is the averaged sample results for ECUA’s entire water system.
Table of System-Wide Averages
Volatile Organic
Averaged Concentration
Contaminants (VOC)
MCL
Entire ECUA Water System
Tetrachloroethylene (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.10
1,1-Dichloroethylene (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.008
Trichloroethylene (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.008
Chlorobenzene (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.015
Styrene (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 100 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.033
Averaged Concentration
Inorganic Contaminants
MCL
Entire ECUA Water System
Antimony (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.015*
Barium (ppm) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.036*
Cyanide (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.13*
Fluoride (ppm) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.25*
Mercury (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.033*
Nitrate (as Nitrogen) (ppm) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.5
*
Sodium (ppm) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 160. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5.1*
Selenium (ppb) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 50 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0.012*

http://www.ecua.fl.gov./system/files/NEWS/CCR2013WEB.pdf

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

The MCLG for cyanide is 0.2 mg/L or 200 ppb. EPA has set this level of protection based on the best available science to prevent potential health problems. EPA has set an enforceable regulation for cyanide, called a maximum contaminant level (MCL), at 0.2 mg/L or 200 ppb. MCLs are set as close to the health goals as possible, considering cost, benefits and the ability of public water systems to detect and remove contaminants using suitable treatment technologies. In this case, the MCL equals the MCLG, because analytical methods or treatment technology do not pose any limitation.

Well a quick chk shows we have the maximum allowed cyanide in ESC water....afraid to chk the rest....

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[quote="TEOTWAWKI"]The MCLG for cyanide is 0.2 mg/L or 200 ppb. EPA has set this level of protection based on the best available science to prevent potential health problems. EPA has set an enforceable regulation for cyanide, called a maximum contaminant level (MCL), at 0.2 mg/L or 200 ppb. MCLs are set as close to the health goals as possible, considering cost, benefits and the ability of public water systems to detect and remove contaminants using suitable treatment technologies. In this case, the MCL equals the MCLG, because analytical methods or treatment technology do not pose any limitation.

Well a quick chk shows we have the maximum allowed cyanide in ESC water....afraid to chk the rest....[/quote]

I think you are misinterpreting those tables.  First it clearly states there were No MCL Violations for any of the compounds.  Second, the table (for cyanide) shows the MCL (maximum) is 200 ppb (see below), and the test shows only 1.13, which is well below the limit.

Parts per billion (ppb) or
Micrograms per liter (μg/l): One
part per billion corresponds to one
minute in 2,000 years, or a single penny in
$10,000,000.

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