Why I'm agnostic about "man-made global warming"

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136

I see it simply as a pollution issue. Whether it is the coal poisoning our air and water, or somebody littering........it is about change. Go to a pristine forest and litter and poison the streams, or work to keep it pristine. Man made pollution pouring into the atmosphere is not good. It is killing people and science agrees that it is contributing to climate change. Stop the pollution and quit trying to put whipped cream on chit.

I see it like this.
Democrat scientists want man-made global warming to be real.
Republican scientists don't want man-made global warming to be real.

The science is set. The pollution is indisputable. The consequences and remediation are policy choices. I want less pollution, and I will support any political party which wants the same. If you saw the sixty minute segment where Duke power is poisoning an entire state......and you do not have to look far to see how they are buying Florida.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2014/aug/13/nextgen-climate/pac-accuses-rick-scott-letting-duke-energy-fleece-/

There is good and evil.......we each must make a choice. There is no fence sitting. You either are supporting pollution or you are not. It is simple.

2seaoat wrote:The science is set.

This alone proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Science my arse.

Sal wrote:Despite the best efforts of the Koch Bros funded Heartland Institute shills to mislead toasters and random internet guys, the scientific consensus remains intact.

Global warming is now a religion,  Sal,  complete with it's own set of true believers and atheists.  Obviously you're one of the true believers and pacedog is one of the atheists (oh the irony).
I don't particularly care for any organized religions,  including this one.

Scientologists believe science is a religion

KarlRove wrote:Scientologists believe science is a religion

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/11/20/the-97-consensus-myth-busted-by-a-real-survey/

We’ve all been subjected to the incessant “97% of scientists agree …global warming…blah blah” meme, which is nothing more than another statistical fabrication by John Cook and his collection of “anything for the cause” zealots. As has been previously pointed out on WUWT, when you look at the methodology used to reach that number, the veracity of the result falls apart, badly. You see, it turns out that Cook simply employed his band of “Skeptical Science” (SkS) eco-zealots to rate papers, rather than letting all authors of the papers rate their own work (Note: many authors weren’t even contacted and their papers wrongly rated, see here). The result was that the “97% consensus” was a survey of the SkS raters beliefs and interpretations, rather than a survey of the authors opinions of their own science abstracts. Essentially it was pal-review by an activist group with a strong bias towards a particular outcome as demonstrated by the name “the consensus project”.

In short, it was a lie of omission enabled by a “pea and thimble” switch Steve McIntyre so often points out about climate science.

Most people who read the headlines touted by the unquestioning press had no idea that this was a collection of Skeptical Science raters opinions rather than the authors assessment of their own work. Readers of news stories had no idea they’d been lied to by John Cook et al².

So, while we’ll be fighting this lie for years, one very important bit of truth has emerged that will help put it into its proper place of propaganda, rather than science. A recent real survey conducted of American Meteorological Society members has blown Cook’s propaganda paper right out of the water.

The survey is titled:

Meteorologists’ views about global warming: A survey of American Meteorological Society professional members¹

“Is global warming happening? If so, what is its cause?”

Respondent options were:

Yes: Mostly human Yes: Equally human and natural Yes: Mostly natural Yes: Insufficient evidence [to determine cause] Yes: Don’t know cause Don’t know if global warming is happening Global warming is not happening

Just 52 percent of survey respondents answered Yes: Mostly human.

The other 48 percent either questioned whether global warming is happening or would not ascribe human activity as the primary cause.

Dr.. Judith Curry writes:

Look at the views in column 1, then look at the % in the rightmost column: 52% state the the warming since 1850 is mostly anthropogenic. One common categorization would categorize the other 48% as ‘deniers’.

So, the inconvenient truth here is that about half of the world’s largest organization of meteorological and climate professionals don’t think humans are “mostly” the cause of Anthropogenic Global Warming the rest will probably get smeared as “deniers

American Meteorological Society

Sal wrote:

Science is not religion, Bob.

That you are unable to distinguish between the two is your problem.

When Al Gore told a national television audience "the temperature at the center of the Earth is hotter than the Sun", was that science?

Sal wrote:
Al Gore is not a scientist

Tell this outfit that.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2007/

Here is the same politician who gets a Nobel Prize for telling the rest of us we need to stop wasting energy because we're ruining the environment.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/GlobalWarming/story?id=2906888

Plus he's fat, so that settle that ...

... man-made global warming is a fraud.

Thanks, Bob.

Obesity isn't relevant.  And you and I have no way to know if it's a fraud or not.  You just think you do.  You want it to be true because that's the democrat position to take.  Same as pacedog and markle don't want it to be true because that's the republican position to take.  Or you can interchange the words liberal and conservative if you prefer.  It all refers to the same simple-mindedness.

Besides, if you believe what you read here, it doesn't matter anyway.

http://grist.org/list/climate-scientists-its-basically-too-late-to-stop-warming/

Bob wrote:Besides,  if you believe what you read here,  it doesn't matter anyway.

http://grist.org/list/climate-scientists-its-basically-too-late-to-stop-warming/

From your article ...

Crazy how these things sneak up on you while you’re squabbling about whether global warming is a religion.

Yep, it's a shame people are such fucking idiots.

by Bob Today at 1:47 pm
Obesity isn't relevant. And you and I have no way to know if it's a fraud or not. You just think you do. You want it to be true because that's the democrat position to take. Same as pacedog and markle don't want it to be true because that's the republican position to take. Or you can interchange the words liberal and conservative if you prefer. It all refers to the same simple-mindedness.
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No, I simply believe like George Carlin said.... The Earth will shake us off like a bad habit lol

by Sal Today at 1:56 pm
Bob wrote:
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Obesity isn't relevant. And you and I have no way to know if it's a fraud or not. You just think you do. You want it to be true because that's the democrat position to take. Same as pacedog and markle don't want it to be true because that's the republican position to take. Or you can interchange the words liberal and conservative if you prefer. It all refers to the same simple-mindedness.
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BS.

There is a scientific consensus that's it's real, and I accept that.

You simply can not discern between peer-reviewed scientific research, and fossil fuel industry financed flimflam.

It shouldn't even be a political issue, but the fossil fuel industry is heavily invested in making it one.

I'm concerned about it because I'm concerned about the world in which my son will be forced to live, and the effects are being seen TODAY.

The Antarctic Ice Sheet is losing a volume of ice equivalent to Mt. Everest every two years, and the oceans are rapidly acidifying and rising.

The shit is getting real, and there's only so long you'll be able to keep your head in the sand.
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And the Arctic ice is growing by leaps and bounds ....