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1Bob answer me a simple question. Empty Bob answer me a simple question. 8/31/2012, 11:07 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Here on earth on a 90 degree day our AC units work their compressors off cooling a house. A window unit works hard cooling a room. Now make that room out of metal and increase the heat to 250 degrees outside...212 boils water..we are made out of water. Remember also you have a power company sending you endless power to your unit. Now put on a canvas suit and go outside in 250 degree temperature. Realize the ac unit on your back is battery powered by old style batteries. Nicads were not around then. Bob the energy required to cool the lander and the suits would have tremendous and with no medium to exchange the heat into IMPOSSIBLE. This one fact proves beyond a shadow of a doubt we never went to the moon and got out and walked on it. Not unless they had a very long extension cord back to earth. In the 1960s I just don't think they had the suit technology to perform it. No insulation no medium to exchange the heat into no real reliable power source..etc..BUSTED.

Find me how they did this and I might bend a little.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Here on earth on a 90 degree day our AC units work their compressors off cooling a house. A window unit works hard cooling a room. Now make that room out of metal and increase the heat to 250 degrees outside...212 boils water..we are made out of water. Remember also you have a power company sending you endless power to your unit. Now put on a canvas suit and go outside in 250 degree temperature. Realize the ac unit on your back is battery powered by old style batteries. Nicads were not around then. Bob the energy required to cool the lander and the suits would have tremendous and with no medium to exchange the heat into IMPOSSIBLE. This one fact proves beyond a shadow of a doubt we never went to the moon and got out and walked on it. Not unless they had a very long extension cord back to earth. In the 1960s I just don't think they had the suit technology to perform it. No insulation no medium to exchange the heat into no real reliable power source..etc..BUSTED.

Find me how they did this and I might bend a little.
I'm having the same reaction to this as I had to a really good rental movie yesterday. It's called "Thin Ice" and I highly recommend it to you. The thing about it which relates to this, is the story at the end (it was an elaborate con) made my head start swimming. Same as your post does.
In fact I had to ask the lady friend to explain it to me, which she did.
So all I can do is run this post by her too to see if she can make heads or tails of it.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Okay, here's what she just told me. She says if all you read here is part of the hoax, then her head is swimming too.

http://backstory.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/27/from-bras-to-spacesuits-the-untold-story-of-apollo-11/

Sal

Sal

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Here on earth on a 90 degree day our AC units work their compressors off cooling a house. A window unit works hard cooling a room. Now make that room out of metal and increase the heat to 250 degrees outside...212 boils water..we are made out of water. Remember also you have a power company sending you endless power to your unit. Now put on a canvas suit and go outside in 250 degree temperature. Realize the ac unit on your back is battery powered by old style batteries. Nicads were not around then. Bob the energy required to cool the lander and the suits would have tremendous and with no medium to exchange the heat into IMPOSSIBLE. This one fact proves beyond a shadow of a doubt we never went to the moon and got out and walked on it. Not unless they had a very long extension cord back to earth. In the 1960s I just don't think they had the suit technology to perform it. No insulation no medium to exchange the heat into no real reliable power source..etc..BUSTED. Find me how they did this and I might bend a little.

Ahem. There is no air on the moon, so air temperatures are irrelevant. 250 degrees refers to the surface temperature - you know, moon rocks and moon dust and such - and even then, that 250 number would be an extreme. Now, how do people protect themselves from high surface temps? Ever heard of oven mitts? Or shoes?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Bob wrote:Okay, here's what she just told me. She says if all you read here is part of the hoax, then her head is swimming too.

http://backstory.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/27/from-bras-to-spacesuits-the-untold-story-of-apollo-11/

PR BS....yeah if you can blind em with brilliance, baffle them with BS, and throw in a sweet little grandma sticking pins in a chicks butt.

Put on whatever you want and stand in an oven at 250 degrees for 4 hours then climb into a module made out of metal aka oven, in direct sunlight that you first must open the door losing all the air and any possible cooling into space and then tell me you would not be a cooked goose in a couple hours at best..No Bob it was an elaborate hoax.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

salinsky wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Here on earth on a 90 degree day our AC units work their compressors off cooling a house. A window unit works hard cooling a room. Now make that room out of metal and increase the heat to 250 degrees outside...212 boils water..we are made out of water. Remember also you have a power company sending you endless power to your unit. Now put on a canvas suit and go outside in 250 degree temperature. Realize the ac unit on your back is battery powered by old style batteries. Nicads were not around then. Bob the energy required to cool the lander and the suits would have tremendous and with no medium to exchange the heat into IMPOSSIBLE. This one fact proves beyond a shadow of a doubt we never went to the moon and got out and walked on it. Not unless they had a very long extension cord back to earth. In the 1960s I just don't think they had the suit technology to perform it. No insulation no medium to exchange the heat into no real reliable power source..etc..BUSTED. Find me how they did this and I might bend a little.

Ahem. There is no air on the moon, so air temperatures are irrelevant. 250 degrees refers to the surface temperature - you know, moon rocks and moon dust and such - and even then, that 250 number would be an extreme. Now, how do people protect themselves from high surface temps? Ever heard of oven mitts? Or shoes?

Ever hold an iron skillet for more than a few seconds with an oven mitt ?

Thanks for dispelling all the laws of physics and black body radiation while you were at it.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Bob wrote:Okay, here's what she just told me. She says if all you read here is part of the hoax, then her head is swimming too.

http://backstory.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/27/from-bras-to-spacesuits-the-untold-story-of-apollo-11/

PR BS....yeah if you can blind em with brilliance, baffle them with BS, and throw in a sweet little grandma sticking pins in a chicks butt.

Put on whatever you want and stand in an oven at 250 degrees for 4 hours then climb into a module made out of metal aka oven, in direct sunlight that you first must open the door losing all the air and any possible cooling into space and then tell me you would not be a cooked goose in a couple hours at best..No Bob it was an elaborate hoax.

http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/topnav/materials/listbytype/The_Construction_and_Design.html

there's a short quicktime video on that page.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

The Apollo suit consisted of the following:

A water-cooled nylon undergarment
A multi-layered pressure suit: inside layer - lightweight nylon with fabric vents; middle layer - neoprene-coated nylon to hold pressure; outer layer - nylon to restrain the pressurized layers beneath
Five layers of aluminized Mylar interwoven with four layers of Dacron for heat protection
Two layers of Kapton for additional heat protection
A layer of Teflon-coated cloth (nonflammable) for protection from scrapes
A layer of white Teflon cloth (nonflammable)

The suit had boots, gloves, a communications cap and a clear plastic helmet. During liftoff, the suit's oxygen and cooling water were supplied by the ship.

For walking on the moon, the space suit was supplemented with a pair of protective overboots, gloves with rubber fingertips, a set of filters/visors worn over the helmet for protection from sunlight, and a portable life support backpack that contained oxygen, carbon-dioxide removal equipment and cooling water. The space suit and backpack weighed 180 lb (82 kg) on Earth, but only 30 lb (14 kg) on the moon.

http://www.californiasciencecenter.org/Exhibits/AirAndSpace/HumansInSpace/ApolloSpacesuit/ApolloSpacesuit.php

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Astronauts commonly wear a Liquid Cooling and Ventilation Garment in order to maintain a comfortable core body temperature during extra-vehicular activity (EVA). The LCVG accomplishes this task by circulating cool water through a network of flexible tubes in direct contact with the astronaut's skin. The water draws heat away from the body, resulting in a lower core temperature. The water then returns to the Primary Life Support System (PLSS), where it is cooled in a heat exchanger before being recirculated. In an independent space suit, the heat is ultimately transferred to a thin sheet of ice (formed by a separate feed water source). Due to the extremely low pressure in space, the heated ice sublimates directly to water vapor, which is then vented away from the suit. In a dependent space suit (such as the ones used in the Gemini program or within lunar orbit on the Apollo program), the heat is carried back to a host spacecraft through an umbilical connection, where it is ultimately radiated or sublimated via the spacecraft's own thermal control system.

Because the space environment is essentially a vacuum, heat cannot be lost through heat convection, and can only be directly dissipated through thermal radiation, a much slower process. Thus, even though the environment of space can be extremely cold, excessive heat build-up is inevitable. Without an LCVG, there would be no means by which to expel this heat, and it would affect not only EVA performance, but the health of the suit occupant as well. The LCVG used with the Apollo/Skylab A7L suit could remove heat at a rate of approximately 586 watts.[1]

The LCVG used with NASA's Extravehicular Mobility Unit is primarily constructed of spandex, with a nylon tricot liner.[2] The tubes are made of polyvinyl chloride.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Cooling_and_Ventilation_Garment#Space_applications

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Bob wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Bob wrote:Okay, here's what she just told me. She says if all you read here is part of the hoax, then her head is swimming too.

http://backstory.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/27/from-bras-to-spacesuits-the-untold-story-of-apollo-11/

PR BS....yeah if you can blind em with brilliance, baffle them with BS, and throw in a sweet little grandma sticking pins in a chicks butt.

Put on whatever you want and stand in an oven at 250 degrees for 4 hours then climb into a module made out of metal aka oven, in direct sunlight that you first must open the door losing all the air and any possible cooling into space and then tell me you would not be a cooked goose in a couple hours at best..No Bob it was an elaborate hoax.

http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/topnav/materials/listbytype/The_Construction_and_Design.html

there's a short quicktime video on that page.

Lots of water needed to cool a man in space not to mention how they cooled the lander. If the astronauts overheated in zero gravity think how they would overheat with gravity....oh that's right they had those wires from the ceiling to take a load off...see NASA thinks of everything.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Bob wrote:Astronauts commonly wear a Liquid Cooling and Ventilation Garment in order to maintain a comfortable core body temperature during extra-vehicular activity (EVA). The LCVG accomplishes this task by circulating cool water through a network of flexible tubes in direct contact with the astronaut's skin. The water draws heat away from the body, resulting in a lower core temperature. The water then returns to the Primary Life Support System (PLSS), where it is cooled in a heat exchanger before being recirculated. In an independent space suit, the heat is ultimately transferred to a thin sheet of ice (formed by a separate feed water source). Due to the extremely low pressure in space, the heated ice sublimates directly to water vapor, which is then vented away from the suit. In a dependent space suit (such as the ones used in the Gemini program or within lunar orbit on the Apollo program), the heat is carried back to a host spacecraft through an umbilical connection, where it is ultimately radiated or sublimated via the spacecraft's own thermal control system.

Because the space environment is essentially a vacuum, heat cannot be lost through heat convection, and can only be directly dissipated through thermal radiation, a much slower process. Thus, even though the environment of space can be extremely cold, excessive heat build-up is inevitable. Without an LCVG, there would be no means by which to expel this heat, and it would affect not only EVA performance, but the health of the suit occupant as well. The LCVG used with the Apollo/Skylab A7L suit could remove heat at a rate of approximately 586 watts.[1]

The LCVG used with NASA's Extravehicular Mobility Unit is primarily constructed of spandex, with a nylon tricot liner.[2] The tubes are made of polyvinyl chloride.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Cooling_and_Ventilation_Garment#Space_applications

Sal

Sal

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Ever hold an iron skillet for more than a few seconds with an oven mitt ?

Thanks for dispelling all the laws of physics and black body radiation while you were at it.

C'mon dude, this is elementary school physics. Have you never heard of heat absorption and/or transfer and/or reflection? Did you not know that Apollo landings were in the lunar morning? On the moon, the only things you need be worried about are conductive heat and radiative heat. Simple insulation protects against conductive heat and tin foil is effective against radiative heat. Put some on your head.

I'm actually embarrassed for you on this one.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

salinsky wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Ever hold an iron skillet for more than a few seconds with an oven mitt ?

Thanks for dispelling all the laws of physics and black body radiation while you were at it.

C'mon dude, this is elementary school physics. Have you never heard of heat absorption and/or transfer and/or reflection? Did you not know that Apollo landings were in the lunar morning? On the moon, the only things you need be worried about are conductive heat and radiative heat. Simple insulation protects against conductive heat and tin foil is effective against radiative heat. Put some on your head.

I'm actually embarrassed for you on this one.

You dumbass you just read that...I feel sorrier for you Bozo.

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:Astronauts commonly wear a Liquid Cooling and Ventilation Garment in order to maintain a comfortable core body temperature during extra-vehicular activity (EVA). The LCVG accomplishes this task by circulating cool water through a network of flexible tubes in direct contact with the astronaut's skin. The water draws heat away from the body, resulting in a lower core temperature. The water then returns to the Primary Life Support System (PLSS), where it is cooled in a heat exchanger before being recirculated. In an independent space suit, the heat is ultimately transferred to a thin sheet of ice (formed by a separate feed water source). Due to the extremely low pressure in space, the heated ice sublimates directly to water vapor, which is then vented away from the suit. In a dependent space suit (such as the ones used in the Gemini program or within lunar orbit on the Apollo program), the heat is carried back to a host spacecraft through an umbilical connection, where it is ultimately radiated or sublimated via the spacecraft's own thermal control system.

Because the space environment is essentially a vacuum, heat cannot be lost through heat convection, and can only be directly dissipated through thermal radiation, a much slower process. Thus, even though the environment of space can be extremely cold, excessive heat build-up is inevitable. Without an LCVG, there would be no means by which to expel this heat, and it would affect not only EVA performance, but the health of the suit occupant as well. The LCVG used with the Apollo/Skylab A7L suit could remove heat at a rate of approximately 586 watts.[1]

The LCVG used with NASA's Extravehicular Mobility Unit is primarily constructed of spandex, with a nylon tricot liner.[2] The tubes are made of polyvinyl chloride.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_Cooling_and_Ventilation_Garment#Space_applications

That system is designed to keep the astronaut from overheating from his own BODY HEAT.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

So you geniuses can't really tell me you just cut and paste cool videos with people whispering about using the bathroom in a spacesuit..he he


How Hot Is the Moon Surface?






The surface of the Moon can get very hot indeed. Much hotter than it does on earth.

On the daylight side of the moon, temperatures rise above the boiling
point of water, 280 degrees F. Temperatures on the moon go up and down
very fast with the coming and leaving of sunlight.

In just one hour, temperatures can fall over 100 degrees F. They go up even faster when the sunlight returns.

Temperatures rise and fall so fast because there is no atmosphere on
the moon to “bend” the heat and light of the sun and make it come and go
more slowly. Without atmosphere, or “air,” the sky looks black, not
blue.

Oh but the moon as a morning where the "atmosphere absorbs the heating rays of the sun...whoops NO ATMOSPHERE.



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Sal

Sal

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

I'm actually embarrassed for you on this one.[/font]

You dumbass you just read that...I feel sorrier for you Bozo.[/quote]

That's just pitiful. Did you not know that there is no air on the moon? There is definitely an education crisis in America, and it is obviously long in the making.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

salinsky wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:

I'm actually embarrassed for you on this one.[/font]

You dumbass you just read that...I feel sorrier for you Bozo.

That's just pitiful. Did you not know that there is no air on the moon? There is definitely an education crisis in America, and it is obviously long in the making.[/quote]

You really are the biggest idiot posting here why don't you go back to trying to foster communism on America because it has always worked so well in the past.

Sal

Sal

pitiful ... why don't you invite me to bite your ass?

In answer to your earlier question Bob, I think it's become quite apparent that this is no act, and Teo is a genuine ignoramus.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I don't know anything about this, salinsky, but why wouldn't the astronauts themselves get hot just like the lunar surface does. They will receive the heat of the sun when they're surrounded by space just like the lunar surface does, it doesn't require they be surrounded by air.

The answer to teo's question is a combination of layers of materials in the suit designed for cooling and an elaborate extensive system of capillaries inside the suit which carries cooling water over their whole bodies. That cooling water is conditioned by an apparatus they're carrying in that large backpack which is part of the suit.



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Guest

Heat will even out. The part of a suit in the sun gets hot, but the part of the suit in the shadow is very cold. The same thing happens to the space capsule...where the sunny side heats up, but the side in a shadow is very cold.

All of the heat and cold spikes cancel each other out and astronauts are not subjected to the extremes

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Yomama wrote:Heat will even out. The part of a suit in the sun gets hot, but the part of the suit in the shadow is very cold. The same thing happens to the space capsule...where the sunny side heats up, but the side in a shadow is very cold.

All of the heat and cold spikes cancel each other out and astronauts are not subjected to the extremes
then the system of water tubes inside the suit would be helping to even out the temperature over their whole bodies, is that correct?

Sal

Sal

and heat transfer is not an instantaneous event ... it happens over time

When a conspiracy theory can be debunked with simple grade school physics, it's not much of a theory.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Teo's premise is so obvious, that if it was true, probably half the working scientists in the world would have come forward to expose that part of the "hoax" so fast it would make all our heads spin (even faster than mine is now lol).

The same goes for thousands of other aspects of the Apollo missions.
The bottom line is, if the Apollo moon landing was a hoax, the intelligence and knowhow to achieve and cover up a hoax as phenomenally elaborate and mindboggling as this hoax would be, is about a million times more advanced than any lousy rocket trip to the moon and back. And that goes for not only in 1969 but today as well. And probably for the next few hundred years. lol

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Bob wrote:
Yomama wrote:Heat will even out. The part of a suit in the sun gets hot, but the part of the suit in the shadow is very cold. The same thing happens to the space capsule...where the sunny side heats up, but the side in a shadow is very cold.

All of the heat and cold spikes cancel each other out and astronauts are not subjected to the extremes
then the system of water tubes inside the suit would be helping to even out the temperature over their whole bodies, is that correct?

Yeah Bob it's just like here on earth ..they stay perfectly cool walking around on the summer beach in winter cloths. Why when I was wearing my wet suit in the ocean surrounded by cold water as a heat transfer medium I never overheated except for very often....


What makes you think the surface of the suits and the helmets were not at 250 degrees just like the rest of the surface ?...magic?...I want to insulate my house with that special cloth they used instead of 6 inches of fiberglass...that's stuffs got more magic than jet fuel..

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

First the 9/11 "controlled demolition". Now the moon landing. What's next, is the world gonna become flat again. lol

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