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Is it Ethical for the Mainstream Media to Ignore Gruber Admitting Democrats are Stupid?

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Should the leftist media be forced to report news neutrally?

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2seaoat wrote:I find it a bit amusing the wording of the poll. This by a person who is concerned about government taking our civil liberties away, yet asks if government should FORCE news media to report a certain way. You really cannot make this chit up. It is as much fun as watching the Bulls beat the Raptors last night.

Satire... you aren't able to understand... so it's pointless trying to explain it to you. Wipe the drool and close your mouth.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

2seaoat wrote:The end was passing Obamacare the means was deception...I figured even you could suss that out....


How were you deceived?  High IQ voters were not deceived.   What part were you confused about?

That is such a stupid statement I am in awe of your courage to produce it. I have an excellent answer let's just believe it's a good one and be happy with that...

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:The end was passing Obamacare the means was deception...I figured even you could suss that out....


How were you deceived? High IQ voters were not deceived. What part were you confused about?

You're either a radical leftist subversive... or as dumb as a stump.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes…Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”

2seaoat



Satire... you aren't able to understand... so it's pointless trying to explain it to you. Wipe the drool and close your mouth.

If that is true, then you acknowledge the premise of your thread is false. Which is it?

Sal

Sal

The ultimate irony is that there was no deception in crafting and passing the law.

The deception was with the law’s opponents who misled the public, conjured baseless fears, and created public confusion with the purpose of sabotaging the process for craven, partisan reasons.

2seaoat



You do realize when using satire that Swift really did not want to eat Irish babies?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal wrote:The ultimate irony is that there was no deception in crafting and passing the law.

The deception was with the law’s opponents who misled the public, conjured baseless fears, and created public confusion with the purpose of sabotaging the process for craven, partisan reasons.

Guest


Guest

Sal wrote:The ultimate irony is that there was no deception in crafting and passing the law.

The deception was with the law’s opponents who misled the public, conjured baseless fears, and created public confusion with the purpose of sabotaging the process for craven, partisan reasons.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes…Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”

2seaoat



You're either a radical leftist subversive... or as dumb as a stump.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes…Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”


None of the above. I argued on the PNJ a year prior to passage of the ACA that the mandate was a simple tax which similar to the tax assessed on early withdrawal from a qualified plan provided the penalty and therein incentive not to withdraw retirement funds until the statutory date. Congress has passed THOUSANDs of bills which use this mechanism. Ignorance of government and low IQs are not deception. I could hear the idiots bumbling about with the passage of individual retirement accounts claiming that the government was going to tax you on your withdrawals of your money. Nope. Government's policy goal was to have each American save those retirement funds until the statutory age. Government's policy under the ACA was to have the dead beats get insurance or pay a tax, which like the thousands of bills passed by congress is a penalty for non compliance of the legislative goal.

You cannot handicap stupidity, or surely I would be handing out strokes on this thread.

Sal

Sal

Well, I guess they can't complain about the law anymore, so they'll complain instead about what someone said about the law.

Progress!

2seaoat



Well, I guess they can't complain about the law anymore, so they'll complain instead about what someone said about the law.

Progress!


Well the good news is that they are confirming what he said was true. Stupid cannot be fixed.

Vikingwoman



PkrBum wrote:
Sal wrote:The ultimate irony is that there was no deception in crafting and passing the law.

The deception was with the law’s opponents who misled the public, conjured baseless fears, and created public confusion with the purpose of sabotaging the process for craven, partisan reasons.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes…Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”

Apparently Gruber doesn't know what he's talking about:

"In a video from 2010 uncovered by CNN’s Jack Tapper, Gruber argues that health care law does little, if anything to control health care costs and claims that there is no guarantee that it would lower national health expenditures.

Four years later, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services estimated that U.S. health spending in 2019 will be $4 trillion, $500 billion less than the agency projected in 2010. The Congressional Budget Office also lowered its five-year cost estimates by $49 billion."

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Guest

Vikingwoman wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Sal wrote:The ultimate irony is that there was no deception in crafting and passing the law.

The deception was with the law’s opponents who misled the public, conjured baseless fears, and created public confusion with the purpose of sabotaging the process for craven, partisan reasons.

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes…Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.”

Apparently Gruber doesn't know what he's talking about:

"In a video from 2010 uncovered by CNN’s Jack Tapper, Gruber argues that health care law does little, if anything to control health care costs and claims that there is no guarantee that it would lower national health expenditures.

Four years later, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services estimated that U.S. health spending in 2019 will be $4 trillion, $500 billion less than the agency projected in 2010. The Congressional Budget Office also lowered its five-year cost estimates by $49 billion."

HH: So what did Dianne Feinstein, Kay Hagan, Mary Landrieu, what are they all saying needs to be done that Jon Gruber doesn’t need to be done?

JG: What they’re saying is basically, they’re saying there should be a free lunch. Here’s where I disagree with them, and I don’t care if they’re Democrats. They’re wrong. Basically, they’re saying that there should be a free lunch, that we should make insurance affordable for the sick, but not make it more expensive for the healthy. That’s not the way insurance works. Insurance is the healthy and the sick pooling together to pay one fair price, which is what the American public wants. By an overwhelming majority, the American public wants fair insurance markets. Fair insurance markets mean the healthy pay more. That’s what fair insurance markets mean. So what Landrieu and Feinstein are those, they’re just not understanding basic economics. They’re claiming you can have it both ways. They’re claiming we can fix insurance markets and yet not make people pay more, and that’s simply wrong.

HH: And last question, the real more is thirty to forty percent before subsidy, taxpayer-funded subsidy in an era of massive deficits. Am I clear on that? That’s your estimate, is that the average cost of insurance for an American is going up thirty to forty percent?

JG: By my estimate, it’s thirty percent before tax credits, but that’s not relevant, because the tax credits will lower the cost. On average, it will fall once you factor in taxes.

HH: Did Americans know that when Obamacare was passed?

JG: Did Americans know, yeah, well, did Americans know that? I don’t know, actually, what Americans knew when Obamacare was passed.

HH: Do you think the President ever said your average cost is going up thirty percent, but you’ll get some tax credits?

JG: No, he didn’t say that.

HH: Do you think Democrats anywhere said that? Did you ever say it on the record?

JG: Did I ever say it, yeah, I did reports for a number of states which said exactly that.

HH: But did you ever come on a show like this and say hey, we’ve got to adopt this, your health insurance is going up thirty percent, but there’ll be some tax credits?

JG: I believe I did, but I don’t know for sure.

HH: I’d love for a citation, Professor. Come back. I appreciate the time very, very much.

Sal

Sal

It's almost as though you've never seen the legislative process at work.

Lawmakers constantly massage the language of a bill to avoid political blow back.

They carefully manage the numbers to obtain the best possible CBO score.

This isn't just common practice, it's common sense.

Surely, there's a community college nearby that offers a remedial civics course.

boards of FL

boards of FL

Someone should inform PkrBum that healthcare costs grew at a historically low rate in the first year of Obamacare.


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2seaoat



Someone should inform PkrBum that healthcare costs grew at a historically low rate in the first year of Obamacare.

Bingo, and that is only the first year.

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2seaoat wrote:The govt has vested interests in outcomes.

What is this statement suppose to mean?  Is the government to become non vested in issues?   Please give an example of any issue under any government where government did not have a vested interest.  A nihilist believes in nothing and says nothing.  Under a democracy the people are the government and they most certainly have a vested interest in outcomes.

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Due to the Observer Effect anything the government takes an interest in will affect the dynamics of how the observed phenomena will operate.

Since the government appears to make the operating costs of anything like creating a mouse seem like they are creating an elephant I would say that the less government involvement would be better.

However liberals like you wanted the government to be involved so you could watch the health care premiums and deductibles rise so your materialist heart would have the simulated penance it requires of feeling charitable, at the expense of others, all so you could get...

*****CHUCKLE*****

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I'm sure the low wage and middle class loves your 1%'er attitude of interference for the betterment of yourself and supposedly mankind.

2seaoat



so you could watch the health care premiums and deductibles rise

So health insurance premiums and deductibles never rose before ACA, and health costs are going up for Americans. Revisit your sources.

Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:so you could watch the health care premiums and deductibles rise

So health insurance premiums and deductibles never rose before ACA, and health costs are going up for Americans.   Revisit your sources.

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And they've jumped substantially between the time the law was crafted and now... I notice you're not denying the rest of my statement. But then a materialistic baby boomer seeking to relieve his conscious with other peoples money while he rakes in more money wouldn't have the ethics to deny such a thing.

*****CHUCKLE*****

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Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:I watched CBS news last night.  They covered this extensively.

WOW, ONE STATION out of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, PBS, and on, and on, and on....

Markle

Markle

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Say Boards I appreciated your little illustration of Net Neutrality on the other thread but it still isn't clear to me whether you are for or against FCC control of ISPs.....I mean it's either the ISPs getting the bribe you spoke of or the government ...so which are you for ? It's not something that is on my top ten list but I would like to know your position on it....

Of course Boards of FL is for the government regulating the Internet. Progressives want everything possible controlled by the government. Gruber said the American voter is STUPID. Which, of course really means that anyone who supported ObamaCare is STUPID.

What did we NOT know already and have been saying for SIX YEARS?

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:Gruber said the American voter is STUPID.  Which, of course really means that anyone who supported ObamaCare is STUPID.

You've been telling us for years that the American voters do not support Obamacare, Markie.

So, what he is saying is that those opposed to Obamacare are stupid.

That would be you, Markie.

And, Mr. Gruber's assessment is dead cinch correct in that regard.

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:
PkrBum wrote:
Three days later... and still nothing on abc or nbc... or the plethora of leftist propaganda sites and sources.

I just visited a couple of "leftist propaganda sites" that I do not normally frequent, just to see if what you say is true.

Predictably, it is not ....


http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/11/13/3591850/jonathan-gruber-lying-obamacare/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/14/1344881/-What-s-worse-Calling-American-voters-stupid-or-giving-millions-access-to-health-nbsp-care

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/13/1344778/-Dear-Republicans-Spare-Me-Your-Fake-Outrage-Over-Gruber-Your-Lies-About-ObamaCare-Are-Much-Worse

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/13/1344734/-Republicans-ginning-up-Benghazi-like-outrage-over-Gruber-nbsp-gaffe

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/13/1344623/-How-Jonathon-Gruber-and-Republicans-using-him-get-Obamacare-history-all-nbsp-wrong

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/11/12/1344439/-News-Flash-Sometimes-academics-can-seem-arrogant

Certainly, these pieces have a different perspective on this story than yours, because they are leftist.

But, clearly they are covering the story.

I'm sure the same is true for CBS and NBC.

All of the political websites I frequent, leftist or not, are fully covering this story.

On Tuesday or Wednesday, I heard a 10 minute segment covering this story on NPR.

All your far left stories are opinions trying desperately to cover the facts. For example, a "gaff" is a one time error, a slip of the tongue. Such as the many made by semi-retired President Obama.

CBS spent an entire 5 minutes and 15 seconds.

My guess is that you would be outraged if a Republican repeatedly called you stupid for believing what you had been promised.

However, semi-retired President Obama, and his entire administration calls you stupid and you roll over, accept it happily and say, more master, more!

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:
Markle wrote:Gruber said the American voter is STUPID.  Which, of course really means that anyone who supported ObamaCare is STUPID.

You've been telling us for years that the American voters do not support Obamacare, Markie.

So, what he is saying is that those opposed to Obamacare are stupid.

That would be you, Markie.

And, Mr. Gruber's assessment is dead cinch correct in that regard.

A few fries short of a happy meal aren't you? As you well know, and it must really sting, Jonathan Gruber called all those who supported ObamaCare STUPID.

I and all Republicans, knew we were being lied to but you were all too willing to swallow it all hook line and sinker.

Cute try though. Did you learn that in one of the DailyKOS talking points?

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