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1Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 9:42 am

boards of FL

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

It was, by any reasonable standards, a staggering, staggering lie. Here’s Paul Ryan about Barack Obama:

He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

“They.” “Them.” “Them.” Those words are lies. Because Paul Ryan was on that commission. “Came back with an urgent report.” That is a lie. The commission never made any recommendations for Barack Obama to support or oppose. Why not? Because the commission voted down its own recommendations. Why? Because Paul Ryan, a member of the commission, voted it down and successfully convinced the other House Republicans on the commission to vote it down.

That wasn’t the only bit of mendacity – lazy mendacity, incredibly lazy mendacity – in Ryan’s speech. Twitter lit up as soon as he started telling the story of the Janesville auto plant that Barack Obama didn’t save – a plant that, it turns out, closed before Obama was president. And of course there’s the infamous cuts to Medicare that Ryan lambasted Obama for without happening to mention that those very same cuts were in Paul Ryan’s own budget. Yes: absolutely everything in Obamacare is an abomination, says Paul Ryan, except for (as he forgets to mention) the cuts to Medicare that he supports – and yet he still singles that part out to use as an attack.

It isn’t even true in some symbolic or abstract way. The real truth is that Paul Ryan completely rejects the approach of that commission – because it includes tax increases along with spending cuts – while Barack Obama has, while not endorsing the exact plan that Ryan shot down, basically endorsed the commission’s approach. Nor was this a side point; Ryan's complaint about Obama on the deficit was absolutely central to his case against the president.

And then there’s the logic of the whole thing. As Seth Masket said, it all comes down to arguing “we must cut entitlements! Obama cutting entitlements is un-American.” There’s also, as many were pointing out, the plain fact that until January 2009 Paul Ryan faithfully supported all the tax cuts and spending increases which created the deficit problem he’s been so concerned about since January 2009.

But really, the proper response to a speech like this isn’t to carefully analyze the logic, or to find instances of hypocracy; it’s to call the speaker out for telling flat-out lies to the American people. Paul Ryan has had what I’ve long thought was an undeserved good reputation among many in the press and in Washington. It shouldn’t survive tonight’s speech.

By Jonathan Bernstein


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2Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 10:11 am

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_breakfast_table/features/2012/_2012_republican_national_convention/paul_ryan_s_speech_included_an_incredible_string_of_false_or_misleading_statements_.html

3Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 10:16 am

othershoe1030

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Rachel Maddow, Chris Mathews and group were able to get an interview with Scott Walker gov. of Wisconsin and called him out on that reference Ryan lied about re the closing of the auto plant.

He tried several times to defend what Ryan had said like, well, it should have gone through a standard bankruptcy procedure. Maddow asked if there was any private money available at the time with which that could have been done and he couldn't answer that because there were no private funds.
When the crises hit in 2008 the only entity that had money to save the auto industry was the Federal Government.

You know, spin used to look 'cute'. Sort of a parlor game to make one group look a little better than they deserved. Now it has moved into the 1984 realm where a large percentage of what passes for information in these speeches or in campaign ads could easily have been conjured up by the Ministry of Truth. It is getting to be frightening.

4Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 10:22 am

Nekochan

Nekochan
I look forward to your fact checks on Biden and Obama.
I must have missed them, thus far.

5Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 10:40 am

Guest


Guest
Well why don't you post them for us then? Anyone with any common sense knows that they all lie.

6Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 10:44 am

Nekochan

Nekochan
reaper1948 wrote:Well why don't you post them for us then? Anyone with any common sense knows that they all lie.

All you have to do is watch when Obama opens his mouth and wait for something to come out.
As for Biden, he's said all kinds of stupid and wrong things. The Dems seem to think he's charming and cute though.

7Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:08 pm

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All of them are funny to watch and have to back track on their lies. Yes, Biden I agree is somewhat of a jerk and they should have asked someone else to run as VP. I am still strictly up in the air and that's because all the republican platform has put forth is medicare, medicaid, abortion and they're against online poker. Nothing about the economy. If they legalized online poker the taxes would outweigh the risks. A gambling addict is an addict no matter how you look at it and will always find something to bet on.

8Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:10 pm

Nekochan

Nekochan
reaper1948 wrote:All of them are funny to watch and have to back track on their lies. Yes, Biden I agree is somewhat of a jerk and they should have asked someone else to run as VP. I am still strictly up in the air and that's because all the republican platform has put forth is medicare, medicaid, abortion and they're against online poker. Nothing about the economy. If they legalized online poker the taxes would outweigh the risks. A gambling addict is an addict no matter how you look at it and will always find something to bet on.

Online Poker as an issue.... Shocked

9Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:19 pm

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[quote="Nekochan"]
reaper1948 wrote:All of them are funny to watch and have to back track on their lies. Yes, Biden I agree is somewhat of a jerk and they should have asked someone else to run as VP. I am still strictly up in the air and that's because all the republican platform has put forth is medicare, medicaid, abortion and they're against online poker. Nothing about the economy. If they legalized online poker the taxes would outweigh the risks. A gambling addict is an addict no matter how you look at it and will always find something to bet on.

Online Poker as an issue.... Shocked [/quoteor

It is with about 5 million U.S. online poker players and their are national organizations that have lobbying for years to make it legal and generate billions of tax dollars for the U.S. A handful of Republican law makers, Joe Barton from texas being one has had a bill in congress about a year to make it legal. Ex Senator R Diamato or however you spell his name has been lobbying for it. A handful of states have made it legal for intrastate and what is strange is Christie of New Jersey was trying to push it in Jersey. It would generate jobs right here in the U.S and not offshore where most online poker rooms operate from right now.

But really to top it off I am 64 why the hell should the government be allowed to tell me I cannot play poker online?

10Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:28 pm

Nekochan

Nekochan
[quote="reaper1948"]
Nekochan wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:All of them are funny to watch and have to back track on their lies. Yes, Biden I agree is somewhat of a jerk and they should have asked someone else to run as VP. I am still strictly up in the air and that's because all the republican platform has put forth is medicare, medicaid, abortion and they're against online poker. Nothing about the economy. If they legalized online poker the taxes would outweigh the risks. A gambling addict is an addict no matter how you look at it and will always find something to bet on.

Online Poker as an issue.... Shocked [/quoteor

It is with about 5 million U.S. online poker players and their are national organizations that have lobbying for years to make it legal and generate billions of tax dollars for the U.S. A handful of Republican law makers, Joe Barton from texas being one has had a bill in congress about a year to make it legal. Ex Senator R Diamato or however you spell his name has been lobbying for it. A handful of states have made it legal for intrastate and what is strange is Christie of New Jersey was trying to push it in Jersey. It would generate jobs right here in the U.S and not offshore where most online poker rooms operate from right now.

But really to top it off I am 64 why the hell should the government be allowed to tell me I cannot play poker online?


Well, I personally don't care one way or the other, but if that's your issue, more power to you.
Heck, if they can pass pro gambling laws in the heart of the Bible Belt--Miss and AL, why can't you have online gambling? I guess some people think gambling online in your living room is just too tempting and potentially damaging to some people.
**I still haven't been to Tunica, MS...but it's on my list.

11Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:33 pm

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[quote="Nekochan"]
reaper1948 wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
reaper1948 wrote:All of them are funny to watch and have to back track on their lies. Yes, Biden I agree is somewhat of a jerk and they should have asked someone else to run as VP. I am still strictly up in the air and that's because all the republican platform has put forth is medicare, medicaid, abortion and they're against online poker. Nothing about the economy. If they legalized online poker the taxes would outweigh the risks. A gambling addict is an addict no matter how you look at it and will always find something to bet on.

Online Poker as an issue.... Shocked [/quoteor

It is with about 5 million U.S. online poker players and their are national organizations that have lobbying for years to make it legal and generate billions of tax dollars for the U.S. A handful of Republican law makers, Joe Barton from texas being one has had a bill in congress about a year to make it legal. Ex Senator R Diamato or however you spell his name has been lobbying for it. A handful of states have made it legal for intrastate and what is strange is Christie of New Jersey was trying to push it in Jersey. It would generate jobs right here in the U.S and not offshore where most online poker rooms operate from right now.

But really to top it off I am 64 why the hell should the government be allowed to tell me I cannot play poker online?


Well, I personally don't care one way or the other, but if that's your issue, more power to you.
Heck, if they can pass pro gambling laws in the heart of the Bible Belt--Miss and AL, why can't you have online gambling? I guess some people think gambling online in your living room is just too tempting and potentially damaging to some people.
**I still haven't been to Tunica, MS...but it's on my list.

I went to Tunica about 10 years all the casino's were sitting out in the middle of no where, don't know if they have built up around it or not. I lived in Ms in the late 80's when they were just talking about it and I said it would never happen, then moved up North and back down to Florida in 1991 and by god they past it in MS.

12Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:40 pm

Nekochan

Nekochan
We're in Huntsville, AL, so Tunica is a few hours drive from here. Apparently it's a hopping place. Just like Biloxi, they have pretty big names come there for concerts and such.

13Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:46 pm

VectorMan

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14Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:48 pm

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Nekochan wrote:We're in Huntsville, AL, so Tunica is a few hours drive from here. Apparently it's a hopping place. Just like Biloxi, they have pretty big names come there for concerts and such.

Should go over for a couple of days.

15Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 12:55 pm

Nekochan

Nekochan
Yes, we should go one weekend....but when we hit the road we usually end up in Tenn. We like Nashville a lot.

16Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 3:35 pm

NaNook

NaNook
boards of FL wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

It was, by any reasonable standards, a staggering, staggering lie. Here’s Paul Ryan about Barack Obama:

He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

“They.” “Them.” “Them.” Those words are lies. Because Paul Ryan was on that commission. “Came back with an urgent report.” That is a lie. The commission never made any recommendations for Barack Obama to support or oppose. Why not? Because the commission voted down its own recommendations. Why? Because Paul Ryan, a member of the commission, voted it down and successfully convinced the other House Republicans on the commission to vote it down.

That wasn’t the only bit of mendacity – lazy mendacity, incredibly lazy mendacity – in Ryan’s speech. Twitter lit up as soon as he started telling the story of the Janesville auto plant that Barack Obama didn’t save – a plant that, it turns out, closed before Obama was president. And of course there’s the infamous cuts to Medicare that Ryan lambasted Obama for without happening to mention that those very same cuts were in Paul Ryan’s own budget. Yes: absolutely everything in Obamacare is an abomination, says Paul Ryan, except for (as he forgets to mention) the cuts to Medicare that he supports – and yet he still singles that part out to use as an attack.

It isn’t even true in some symbolic or abstract way. The real truth is that Paul Ryan completely rejects the approach of that commission – because it includes tax increases along with spending cuts – while Barack Obama has, while not endorsing the exact plan that Ryan shot down, basically endorsed the commission’s approach. Nor was this a side point; Ryan's complaint about Obama on the deficit was absolutely central to his case against the president.

And then there’s the logic of the whole thing. As Seth Masket said, it all comes down to arguing “we must cut entitlements! Obama cutting entitlements is un-American.” There’s also, as many were pointing out, the plain fact that until January 2009 Paul Ryan faithfully supported all the tax cuts and spending increases which created the deficit problem he’s been so concerned about since January 2009.

But really, the proper response to a speech like this isn’t to carefully analyze the logic, or to find instances of hypocracy; it’s to call the speaker out for telling flat-out lies to the American people. Paul Ryan has had what I’ve long thought was an undeserved good reputation among many in the press and in Washington. It shouldn’t survive tonight’s speech.

By Jonathan Bernstein

You do know the GM plant closed in 04/09? There is even a local TV comment on the closing. Watch the local news video, and call them liars....stupid.

17Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 3:57 pm

boards of FL

boards of FL
NaNook wrote:You do know the GM plant closed in 04/09? There is even a local TV comment on the closing. Watch the local news video, and call them liars....stupid.

Here is what I am finding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janesville_GM_Assembly_Plant

The plant covers 4,800,000 ft³ (446,000 m³).[3] It employed around 7,000 workers at its peak in 1970, but was down to about 1,200 when it was idled in December 2008, with only 57 employees left when it completely ceased production in April 2009.[4][5]

During GM's 2008 annual shareholder meeting on June 3, 2008, CEO Rick Wagoner announced that the Janesville assembly plant would close by 2010, along with three other GM factories, and could close sooner if the market dictated.[10] The cutbacks announced, along with other changes, were expected to save the North American division $1 billion per year starting in 2010.[11]

Assembly work continued at the Janesville Assembly until April 2009, completing the GM/Isuzu light truck partnership and then an additional 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" worked to decommission the plant.[15]

The plant closure was announced in 2008. Operations were idled in 2008. Assembly work continued through April 2009 due to a partnership with Isuzu.

Obama's fault! Obama's destructive policies closed this otherwise perfectly productive plant in two months!


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18Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 4:05 pm

NaNook

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boards of FL wrote:
NaNook wrote:You do know the GM plant closed in 04/09? There is even a local TV comment on the closing. Watch the local news video, and call them liars....stupid.

Here is what I am finding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janesville_GM_Assembly_Plant

The plant covers 4,800,000 ft³ (446,000 m³).[3] It employed around 7,000 workers at its peak in 1970, but was down to about 1,200 when it was idled in December 2008, with only 57 employees left when it completely ceased production in April 2009.[4][5]

During GM's 2008 annual shareholder meeting on June 3, 2008, CEO Rick Wagoner announced that the Janesville assembly plant would close by 2010, along with three other GM factories, and could close sooner if the market dictated.[10] The cutbacks announced, along with other changes, were expected to save the North American division $1 billion per year starting in 2010.[11]

Assembly work continued at the Janesville Assembly until April 2009, completing the GM/Isuzu light truck partnership and then an additional 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" worked to decommission the plant.[15]

The plant closure was announced in 2008. Operations were idled in 2008. Assembly work continued through April 2009 due to a partnership with Isuzu.

Obama's fault! Obama's destructive policies closed this otherwise perfectly productive plant in two months!

Didn't Obama PROMISE to keep the Plant OPEN???? It closed under his watch. I'll give you local video about the plant closing in 04/09.

Who is lying??????? Get your facts straight.......

19Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 4:11 pm

boards of FL

boards of FL
NaNook wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
NaNook wrote:You do know the GM plant closed in 04/09? There is even a local TV comment on the closing. Watch the local news video, and call them liars....stupid.

Here is what I am finding:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janesville_GM_Assembly_Plant

The plant covers 4,800,000 ft³ (446,000 m³).[3] It employed around 7,000 workers at its peak in 1970, but was down to about 1,200 when it was idled in December 2008, with only 57 employees left when it completely ceased production in April 2009.[4][5]

During GM's 2008 annual shareholder meeting on June 3, 2008, CEO Rick Wagoner announced that the Janesville assembly plant would close by 2010, along with three other GM factories, and could close sooner if the market dictated.[10] The cutbacks announced, along with other changes, were expected to save the North American division $1 billion per year starting in 2010.[11]

Assembly work continued at the Janesville Assembly until April 2009, completing the GM/Isuzu light truck partnership and then an additional 40 to 50 "skilled trade employees" worked to decommission the plant.[15]

The plant closure was announced in 2008. Operations were idled in 2008. Assembly work continued through April 2009 due to a partnership with Isuzu.

Obama's fault! Obama's destructive policies closed this otherwise perfectly productive plant in two months!

Didn't Obama PROMISE to keep the Plant OPEN???? It closed under his watch. I'll give you local video about the plant closing in 04/09.

Who is lying??????? Get your facts straight.......

When did Obama "PROMISE" to keep the plant open?

You seem like a smart guy, so let me ask you plainly: Is the closing of the GM plant in question Obama's fault? Had Ronald Reagan - or, insert your favorite conservative idol - himself been resurrected and made president in January 2009, would the result have been any different? Wasn't this already set in motion by the economic collapse in 2008? I ask that you answer this honestly, and if your response is anything but "No, clearly this is not Obama's fault", then I would be interested in hearing you explain how Obama is responsible for this plant closing.


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20Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 5:09 pm

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Nope Obama didn't promise to keep the plant open and it was announced under Bush and Ryan voted for stimulus for GM.

Also: For Neko

http://rougeaffairs.wordpress.com/2012/08/29/protecting-internet-freedom-vs-making-the-internet-family-friendly/

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21Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 5:11 pm

Nekochan

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I think the State's Rights issue is a good approach to this.

22Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 6:23 pm

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Boards of Fl,

YOU LIE!!!!

23Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 6:59 pm

Sal

Sal
Someone on the radio this morning described the speech thusly;

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, meet my mother, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, here's a story about my grandmother, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, meet my wife and kids, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, good night and God bless America.

24Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/30/2012, 9:14 pm

gulfbeachbandit

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salinsky wrote:Someone on the radio this morning described the speech thusly;

Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, meet my mother, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, here's a story about my grandmother, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, meet my wife and kids, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, good night and God bless America.

Which part makes you mad? The God bless America part?

25Fact-checking Paul Ryan Empty Re: Fact-checking Paul Ryan on 8/31/2012, 12:09 am

Markle

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boards of FL wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/paul-ryan-fails----the-truth/2012/08/29/bbfe1eac-f254-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_blog.html

It was, by any reasonable standards, a staggering, staggering lie. Here’s Paul Ryan about Barack Obama:

1. He created a bipartisan debt commission. They came back with an urgent report. He thanked them, sent them on their way, and then did exactly nothing.

“They.” “Them.” “Them.” Those words are lies. Because Paul Ryan was on that commission. “Came back with an urgent report.” That is a lie. The commission never made any recommendations for Barack Obama to support or oppose. Why not? Because the commission voted down its own recommendations. Why? Because Paul Ryan, a member of the commission, voted it down and successfully convinced the other House Republicans on the commission to vote it down.

2. That wasn’t the only bit of mendacity – lazy mendacity, incredibly lazy mendacity – in Ryan’s speech. Twitter lit up as soon as he started telling the story of the Janesville auto plant that Barack Obama didn’t save – a plant that, it turns out, closed before Obama was president.

3. And of course there’s the infamous cuts to Medicare that Ryan lambasted Obama for without happening to mention that those very same cuts were in Paul Ryan’s own budget. Yes: absolutely everything in Obamacare is an abomination, says Paul Ryan, except for (as he forgets to mention) the cuts to Medicare that he supports – and yet he still singles that part out to use as an attack.

It isn’t even true in some symbolic or abstract way. The real truth is that Paul Ryan completely rejects the approach of that commission – because it includes tax increases along with spending cuts – while Barack Obama has, while not endorsing the exact plan that Ryan shot down, basically endorsed the commission’s approach. Nor was this a side point; Ryan's complaint about Obama on the deficit was absolutely central to his case against the president.

4. And then there’s the logic of the whole thing. As Seth Masket said, it all comes down to arguing “we must cut entitlements! Obama cutting entitlements is un-American.” There’s also, as many were pointing out, the plain fact that until January 2009 Paul Ryan faithfully supported all the tax cuts and spending increases which created the deficit problem he’s been so concerned about since January 2009.

But really, the proper response to a speech like this isn’t to carefully analyze the logic, or to find instances of hypocracy; it’s to call the speaker out for telling flat-out lies to the American people. Paul Ryan has had what I’ve long thought was an undeserved good reputation among many in the press and in Washington. It shouldn’t survive tonight’s speech.

By Jonathan Bernstein

1. President Barack Hussein Obama did create the Simpson-Bowles commission to come up with financial solutions to our crippling problems. To pass the commission needed a super majority. It received only 11 of the 14 votes necessary to pass. There were 18 members on the commission. Ryan voted against it because it did not go far enough is solving our financial disaster. Regardless, Obama ignored the recommendations and continued pushing us deeper into debt.

2. As for the plant where Senator Obama spoke in 2008 and promised that the plant would be there for another 100 years. Another factcheck had this to say about the Ryan statement: However, nothing Ryan said in his speech about the plant was factually untrue.
Read more:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/fact-check-paul-ryan-convention-address/#ixzz253zVwfNC


Here is EXACTLY what Senator Obama had to say:

“As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America”

Obama comments Janesville GM Plant from the AP October 11, 2008

3. As for Medicare. Nothing factually not true about ObamaCare taking $617 BILLION out of a system already going broke and using it to finance ObamaCare. One of the casualties will be Medicare Advantage. For years what voters have said they wanted was the same system as Congress has for their health insurance. NOTHING will change for retirees now on Medicare or who are 55 or older.

MORE OPTIONS will be available for voters younger retirees. Same as Congress. How is that NOT a good the country.

4. Perhaps the most laughable of your points is that "CUTTING ENTITLEMENTS IS UN-AMERICAN. Where does all the money come from? WE DO NOT HAVE NEARLY THAT MUCH MONEY. HOW IS THAT UNCLEAR TO YOU?


Here is what President Obama had to say about deficit spending.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2EKePYNaSY

If you want four more years of the same failure, intentionally increased dependence on the government and a declining standard of living, vote for President Barack Hussein Obama.

If you believe we are a much greater country, a country where we are proud and admire success and hard work. Vote for Mitt Romney.

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