Is Isis any worse than al Qaida, or the governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, UAE etc?

Wordslinger wrote:Let's face facts -- I've read nothing that indicates we Americans are appreciated by any of the countries named above.  Add Egypt to the list.

Since 2003, other American captives in the Mideast have been beheaded, by other terrorists.  

It seems to me that Isis is no more a real danger to us than the Saudis who financed 9-11, or the Taliban in Afghanistan.  The truth is, if you're an American working or traveling through any Arab nation, you run the risk of being kidnapped and then imprisoned, tortured and/or beheaded.

Now, consider the supposed coalition Mr. Obama mentioned in his speech.  I heard that there are nine members already -- but what the hell is a "member?"

I've heard the Saudis have no intention of providing troops, but they will provide some money and bases to train Iraqis.

Egypt has made no comment whatever.

Qatar has not offered troops.

Turkey has not offered troops.

Jordan has not offered troops.

Qatar has not offered troops.

Kuwait has not offered troops.

Iran has already proposed to wage war on Isis.

So just who is this "coalition" of troops who are going to do ALL the boots-on-the-ground fighting in Iraq and Syria?

From the beginning of this chaotic mess, we've screwed up by taking sides in the 1400 year old conflict between the Shias and Sunnis.   According to Obama's "strategy," initially we will be providing air support to Iraqi shia troops and Kurdish troops against Isis who, thus far, is supported by the Sunnis.  

That's the same crapola that helped us screw the pooch in Iraq from 2003 until 2010.

Somebody, please explain to me why we need to fight Isis and not everyone else in that region ...

Reality.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Let's face facts -- I've read nothing that indicates we Americans are appreciated by any of the countries named above.  Add Egypt to the list.

Since 2003, other American captives in the Mideast have been beheaded, by other terrorists.  

It seems to me that Isis is no more a real danger to us than the Saudis who financed 9-11, or the Taliban in Afghanistan.  The truth is, if you're an American working or traveling through any Arab nation, you run the risk of being kidnapped and then imprisoned, tortured and/or beheaded.

Now, consider the supposed coalition Mr. Obama mentioned in his speech.  I heard that there are nine members already -- but what the hell is a "member?"

I've heard the Saudis have no intention of providing troops, but they will provide some money and bases to train Iraqis.

Egypt has made no comment whatever.

Qatar has not offered troops.

Turkey has not offered troops.

Jordan has not offered troops.

Qatar has not offered troops.

Kuwait has not offered troops.

Iran has already proposed to wage war on Isis.

So just who is this "coalition" of troops who are going to do ALL the boots-on-the-ground fighting in Iraq and Syria?

From the beginning of this chaotic mess, we've screwed up by taking sides in the 1400 year old conflict between the Shias and Sunnis.   According to Obama's "strategy," initially we will be providing air support to Iraqi shia troops and Kurdish troops against Isis who, thus far, is supported by the Sunnis.  

That's the same crapola that helped us screw the pooch in Iraq from 2003 until 2010.

Somebody, please explain to me why we need to fight Isis and not everyone else in that region ...

Reality.

Their real ability to wage war inside opponent nations is that they have people from all over the world they have trained. Two USA citizens have died fighting with them thus far. We have a wide open border than even your old arse could cross and not get caught. Yes, if kids can make it here from Central America without their parents, so ISIS can make it here too, They have billions in funding. Getting here is easiest part.

Wordslinger wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Let's face facts -- I've read nothing that indicates we Americans are appreciated by any of the countries named above.  Add Egypt to the list.

Since 2003, other American captives in the Mideast have been beheaded, by other terrorists.  

It seems to me that Isis is no more a real danger to us than the Saudis who financed 9-11, or the Taliban in Afghanistan.  The truth is, if you're an American working or traveling through any Arab nation, you run the risk of being kidnapped and then imprisoned, tortured and/or beheaded.

Now, consider the supposed coalition Mr. Obama mentioned in his speech.  I heard that there are nine members already -- but what the hell is a "member?"

I've heard the Saudis have no intention of providing troops, but they will provide some money and bases to train Iraqis.

Egypt has made no comment whatever.

Qatar has not offered troops.

Turkey has not offered troops.

Jordan has not offered troops.

Qatar has not offered troops.

Kuwait has not offered troops.

Iran has already proposed to wage war on Isis.

So just who is this "coalition" of troops who are going to do ALL the boots-on-the-ground fighting in Iraq and Syria?

From the beginning of this chaotic mess, we've screwed up by taking sides in the 1400 year old conflict between the Shias and Sunnis.   According to Obama's "strategy," initially we will be providing air support to Iraqi shia troops and Kurdish troops against Isis who, thus far, is supported by the Sunnis.  

That's the same crapola that helped us screw the pooch in Iraq from 2003 until 2010.

Somebody, please explain to me why we need to fight Isis and not everyone else in that region ...

Reality.

Their real ability to wage war inside opponent nations is that they have people from all over the world they have trained. Two USA citizens have died fighting with them thus far. We have a wide open border than even your old arse could cross and not get caught. Yes, if kids can make it here from Central America without their parents, so ISIS can make it here too, They have billions in funding. Getting here is easiest part.

What's your point?  That we should put troops along both our northern and southern borders?  If we did that, who would be left to fight another war?

Maybe Jesus will help us in this situation.  Just like Allah is helping THEM.

Wordslinger wrote:Just read online that Iran's Ayatollah has proposed that the Iranian army is ready and willing to work with the U.S. and Iraqis interested in destroying Isil.

Maybe Iran is one of the "ten" partners Obama spoke about?

PACEDOG#1 wrote:BTW, word....many Biblical scholars agree that nothing in Revelations refers to the United States at all. Wonder why that is? Is it because by the time of the anti-Christ America is already an also-ran in the world or off in irrelevance before the events of Armageddon occur?

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Iran is more than willing to help if it destabilizes Sunnis and their power base

Sal wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Just read online that Iran's Ayatollah has proposed that the Iranian army is ready and willing to work with the U.S. and Iraqis interested in destroying Isil.

Maybe Iran is one of the "ten" partners Obama spoke about?

You know, at this point Iran is probably the most rational actor out there.

They should be our natural ally, but unfortunately we managed to radicalize them a long time ago.

Th Dude wrote:

Sal wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Just read online that Iran's Ayatollah has proposed that the Iranian army is ready and willing to work with the U.S. and Iraqis interested in destroying Isil.

Maybe Iran is one of the "ten" partners Obama spoke about?

You know, at this point Iran is probably the most rational actor out there.

They should be our natural ally, but unfortunately we managed to radicalize them a long time ago.

Iran has motives beyond their kind offer... know it. Just another clusterfuck... yea team.