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Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia

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Wordslinger
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Should the U.S. sever ties with Saudi Arabia?

Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia I_vote_lcap63%Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia I_vote_rcap 63% [ 5 ]
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1Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia Empty Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia 10/12/2018, 5:47 am

Wordslinger

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It'd be nice if we would cut all ties with them, but we're still dependent on them for too many things. Frickin' oil, for one, and they also provide us a lot of strategic help with the war on terror. But weaning ourselves off our dependence on them would be a good thing. They're only daring to do the shit they're doing now because they recognize Trump as a weak leader who's not going to do a damn thing to 'em. Hell, yesterday they asked Trump about cutting off military sales to them and he was all, "Naaaaaah, that'd cost us money, naaaaaaah." Makes the the old Lenin (although some say it was Stalin, who probably just repeated him) quote, "When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will be eager to sell us the rope" not seem quite as funny when you see it actually happening. And there's some Sun Tzu about "If a leader is vain, he can be flattered." The Saudis recognize they've got their ultimate prize in Trump -- vain and money-greedy to the point of all else. They're gonna play him like a kazoo.

There will be plenty of people in Congress wanting to hold the Saudis accountable, but Trump will hamstring them all, because the Saudis gave him a big parade so he thinks they "like" him, and Trump can never do anything to anyone who likes him -- he needs it too much. Lindsey Graham is going to talk really tough about the Saudis for a while, but does anyone really want to rely on Lindsey Graham's spine when he's going against Trump? He'll end up crouching and piddling like usual and say that whatever token sanctions Trump will allow in response to the Saudis -- "They only get ONE scoop of ice cream for the next two months!" -- will be an "appropriate response" and he'll let it go. The U.S. doesn't have a leader right now and other countries are taking advantage of it. They don't respect us at all anymore, not after watching Kim and Putin push Dumb Donald around.

4Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia Empty Re: Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia 10/12/2018, 11:46 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

zsomething wrote:It'd be nice if we would cut all ties with them, but we're still dependent on them for too many things.   Frickin' oil, for one, and they also provide us a lot of strategic help with the war on terror.   But weaning ourselves off our dependence on them would be a good thing.   They're only daring to do the shit they're doing now because they recognize Trump as a weak leader who's not going to do a damn thing to 'em.   Hell, yesterday they asked Trump about cutting off military sales to them and he was all, "Naaaaaah, that'd cost us money, naaaaaaah."   Makes the the old  Lenin (although some say it was Stalin, who probably just repeated him) quote, "When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will be eager to sell us the rope" not seem quite as funny when you see it actually happening.   And there's some Sun Tzu about "If a leader is vain, he can be flattered."  The Saudis recognize they've got their ultimate prize in Trump -- vain and money-greedy to the point of all else.  They're gonna play him like a kazoo.

There will be plenty of people in Congress wanting to hold the Saudis accountable, but Trump will hamstring them all, because the Saudis gave him a big parade so he thinks they "like" him, and Trump can never do anything to anyone who likes him -- he needs it too much.   Lindsey Graham is going to talk really tough about the Saudis for a while, but does anyone really want to rely on Lindsey Graham's spine when he's going against Trump?   He'll end up crouching and piddling like usual and say that whatever token sanctions Trump will allow in response to the Saudis -- "They only get ONE scoop of ice cream for the next two months!" -- will be an "appropriate response" and he'll let it go.   The U.S. doesn't have a leader right now and other countries are taking advantage of it.   They don't respect us at all anymore, not after watching Kim and Putin push Dumb Donald around.

The "war on terror" should be more aptly named "war OF terror". Pretty ironic, don't you think, considering that it was partly the Saudis that created that whole fiasco.

Drumpf's not going to do anything. He loves money too much and it drives every decision he makes. November can't come soon enough, and I hope Mueller is wrapping up, because we desperately need a leader.

5Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia Empty Re: Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia 10/12/2018, 11:53 am

PkrBum

PkrBum

Why didn't your dear leader obama fix it? Why did he instead bomb more ME countries than bush2?

6Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia Empty Re: Cut all ties with Saudi Arabia 10/12/2018, 12:33 pm

Deus X

Deus X

Oh, ferchristsakes, they'll get away with it! There'll be a lot of sound and fury and nothing will come of it. And it's not just Trump, we've been involved with Saudi Arabia since 1945. They would have killed this guy no matter who was President.

The relationship between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia is so twisty and complicated it'd take a year's constant study just to sort it out. Aramco!  Big Oil!  Petrodollars!  Mutual Defense!  Terrorism!  Iran!  Iraq!  Syria!  Yemen!  OPEC!  9/11!  The Bush Family!  Shale!  U.S. Treasuries!  The Sunni/Shia Divide!  Turkey!  Economic Retaliation!  Arms Sales! Every thread you pull affects five others.

Anybody that thinks there's some nice, simple solution to this mess is bone ignorant. Besides, it was a journalist who got killed, do you really think anyone in power cares?

NOTHING will change.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

zsomething wrote:It'd be nice if we would cut all ties with them, but we're still dependent on them for too many things.   Frickin' oil, for one, and they also provide us a lot of strategic help with the war on terror.   But weaning ourselves off our dependence on them would be a good thing.   They're only daring to do the shit they're doing now because they recognize Trump as a weak leader who's not going to do a damn thing to 'em.   Hell, yesterday they asked Trump about cutting off military sales to them and he was all, "Naaaaaah, that'd cost us money, naaaaaaah."   Makes the the old  Lenin (although some say it was Stalin, who probably just repeated him) quote, "When it comes time to hang the capitalists, they will be eager to sell us the rope" not seem quite as funny when you see it actually happening.   And there's some Sun Tzu about "If a leader is vain, he can be flattered."  The Saudis recognize they've got their ultimate prize in Trump -- vain and money-greedy to the point of all else.  They're gonna play him like a kazoo.

There will be plenty of people in Congress wanting to hold the Saudis accountable, but Trump will hamstring them all, because the Saudis gave him a big parade so he thinks they "like" him, and Trump can never do anything to anyone who likes him -- he needs it too much.   Lindsey Graham is going to talk really tough about the Saudis for a while, but does anyone really want to rely on Lindsey Graham's spine when he's going against Trump?   He'll end up crouching and piddling like usual and say that whatever token sanctions Trump will allow in response to the Saudis -- "They only get ONE scoop of ice cream for the next two months!" -- will be an "appropriate response" and he'll let it go.   The U.S. doesn't have a leader right now and other countries are taking advantage of it.   They don't respect us at all anymore, not after watching Kim and Putin push Dumb Donald around.

Actually, we don't need any of their oil anymore -- even Trump admitted that on TV this a.m. We've been faithful to them but they've never been faithful to us. We can oppose Iran quite well without the Saudis.

Telstar

Telstar

Screw Saudi Arabia sideways and counter clockwise. Twisted Evil

Deus X

Deus X

Wordslinger wrote:Actually, we don't need any of their oil anymore -- even Trump admitted that on TV this a.m.  We've been faithful to them but they've never been faithful to us.  We can oppose Iran quite well without the Saudis.

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