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1BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 11:42 am

Sal

Sal

What he said ....

When these capering lunatics stand in front of the nation, the world, and without a single shred of decency, without the tiniest modicum of self-conscious shame, without any apparent awareness of their own boundless hypocrisy, and loudly protest the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl from the clutches of our sworn enemies, I have to say no more.

I’ve reached the limit of what little tolerance I have for this insane hatred.

They say it’s because Bergdahl is a deserter, that he could be a traitor.

And maybe he is. Maybe he’s both.

And maybe he isn’t.

We don’t know. No one knows, except for Bergdahl himself.

And Bergdahl has neither admitted his guilt nor proclaimed his innocence as yet. There’s been no Article 32 hearing, no trial, no court martial. The military and the intelligence agencies haven’t even begun his debriefing. All we know for certain is that an American soldier was taken captive by the enemy, held for years, and returned as part of a prisoner exchange. That’s it. That’s what we know. We don’t know what events led to his capture, not all of them, not yet. We don’t know the details of his captivity. We don’t know the particulars of his release beyond the broad details that have been published in the press.

Nevertheless, Bergdahl has been condemned by the popular media, by social networks, by pundits and politicians, not because they know more about the situation than you or I do, but solely because they hate the president. If Obama was behind Bergdahl’s release, then Bergdahl is a traitor, Q.E.D. because the president must never, ever, be allowed even the slightest acknowledgement of patriotism.

This condemnation isn’t about Bergdahl, it’s about Obama.

Certainly, some of Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers say he deserted. That he was disillusioned with the war, with America, that he left his guard post and walked away into the desert in some foolish and quixotic attempt to reach China. They say that men, good men, real heroes, died searching for Bergdahl after he disappeared.

And those soldiers, they’d probably know, wouldn’t they?

And, yeah, if I was one of them I’d be damned resentful too and I have no doubt whatsoever that I’d use this blog to protest those who would attempt to paint Bergdahl as a hero – if I knew for certain that he deserted, if I’d lost friends searching for him.

I don’t begrudge those soldiers one iota of their resentment, they earned it with their own blood.

And let’s say it’s true.

Let’s say for the sake of argument that Bergdahl is indeed a deserter, that his capture by the Taliban was a result of his own cowardly actions.

So?

So what?

Last time I checked, the punishment specified for violation of UCMJ Article 85 (or Article 86 depending on Bergdahl’s intentions) isn’t to throw him to our enemies!

Ultimately, Bergdahl will have to face his accusers, and if the allegations of desertion are proven true then he will answer for the crime of desertion as specified under the Uniform Code of Military Justice – which technically could include the death penalty since the desertion is alleged to have occurred during time of war and in the face of the enemy. Far more likely, of course, if Bergdahl is convicted of desertion he’ll probably get little more than a bad conduct discharge and forfeiture of any benefits. It’s unlikely that he’d see prison time – and, really, how would that even be a punishment compared to what he’s already been through? Likely he won’t ever face a hearing and he’ll be administratively separated from the service at the Army’s earliest possible convenience.

But, and here’s the thing so pay attention, even if Bergdahl is tried and found guilty of desertion, even if he’s found guilty of treason as some would have it, he’ll go to prison – we won’t give him back to the Taliban.

There is no crime so great that leaving him in the hands of our enemies is the indicated punishment.

He was, he is, one of ours. Period.

For better or for worse, he’s one of ours, and we don’t leave our people behind – not even the deserters.

We Americans sent him into the meat grinder and it is our sacred obligation to get him home, no matter what.

Even if he was dead.

We’ve been digging through the jungles of Southeast Asia for the better part of four decades, trying to make good on that promise for the men we left there. We’ve spared no expense to return home little more than tiny moldering pieces of bone. Some of those dead men were heroes, some were hardened professionals, and some were just soldiers doing their duty, who came when called and who did their best to survive a horrible conflict they couldn’t understand and wanted no part of. Some were steadfast and some were cowards and some were fools. But they were, each and every one, ours. And we have done our best to bring them home.

And what? We should do any less for Sgt. Bergdahl?

For the last eighteen months these very same people have been screaming for Obama’s impeachment. Impeachment? Hell, some of these silly sons of bitches, including sitting members of Congress and members of the military, have marched on the White House demanding the actual overthrow of the United States government and the imprisonment or death of the President, because four Americans died in Benghazi, Libya. They are outraged, outraged beyond logic, beyond prudence, beyond reason, because they believe Obama didn’t do absolutely everything possible up to and including an armed military invasion to save those men. But these same people, these very same people, would leave an American soldier to die at the hands of the Taliban and they refuse to cheer his safe return, solely because they hate Barack Obama beyond all rational bounds and they will not allow this administration any victory no matter how small – even when they themselves have been condemning Obama for leaving an American serviceman in the hands of our enemies.

For them, Bergdahl be he a captive or a free man, is nothing more just another way to attack the president and they can spin their hypocrisy in any fashion necessary.

They are angered by Bowe Bergdahl’s release, because they say we don’t negotiate with terrorists.

But what they conveniently fail to mention are those pictures of Cheney and Rumsfeld with Saddam Hussein, back when we were giving the murderous Iraqi despot money and guns in his war against Iran and which he later used to invade Kuwait. Or that part where we armed Osama bin Laden with Stinger missiles and all the guns he and the Mujahidin could carry into Afghanistan. Or that part where these people’s beloved patron saint, one Ronald Reagan, sold arms to our mortal enemies in Iran, a nation the US Congress and that very same President had publicly labeled a terrorist state, the very same terrorist rat bastards who took our entire embassy staff hostage and held them for over a year. Or that part where that very same administration took the profits from that arms deal with terrorists and used it to finance still more terrorists in the jungles of Central America. And the really, really amusing part is that the same people who are right now shouting “we don’t negotiate with terrorists!” are some of the very same people, name for name, who were personally negotiating with terrorists in Iran, in Iraq, in Libya, in Afghanistan, in Colombia, in Nicaragua, in Somalia, and in Beirut.

We don’t negotiate with terrorists?

Jesus Haploid Christ, we do business with terrorists on a daily basis and have all the way back to WWII when we contracted with the Mafia to run arms into occupied Sicily.

We don’t negotiate with terrorists, what a fucking joke.

This, this right here, is where we as a nation, need to say no more.

We need to stand up and say we’ve had enough. That not only are we sick and tired of being afraid of terrorists, but we’re even more tired of listening to the fearful cries of the other terrorists, the ones who practice being terrified as a political philosophy.

This madness, this crippling unreasoning fear, must be dragged into the heat of the sun and cauterized, before it kills us all.

What does it tell the terrorists?

Fourteen years we’ve been killing these cockroaches, we’ve killed thousands of them, we’ve killed their families, we’ve destroyed their country, we rooted them out of their strongholds, we hunted down their leader and shot him in the head and dumped his body into the sea.

And for what? So we can still be afraid?

Under a Tea Party administration if you’re captured by terrorists, well fuck you, Soldier. We don’t negotiate with terrorists. Our vaunted principles, our inflexible ideology, our unbending politics and our sound-bite simple-minded doctrine is worth more than your life. We don’t negotiate with terrorists (even though we really do, don’t we? Pretty much all of the time). Besides, you’re probably a traitor anyway.

Think about that.

Think about it real hard.

Think about it real hard, especially if you’re the parent of a soldier-age son or daughter.

And then be glad, goddamned glad, that you have a president who was willing to do what it takes to get Bowe Bergdahl home.

Dead or alive, we get our people home, whatever the cost, that’s the one promise that must never be broken.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/06/negotiating-with-terrorists.html

Word ....

2BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 11:53 am

Guest


Guest

You all didn't feel that way about the American terrorist that Obama droned to death

3BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 11:59 am

Sal

Sal

Chrissy wrote:You all didn't feel that way about the American terrorist that Obama droned to death

Thanks for mentioning that!


For the last two years, these very same people have been screaming for Obama’s impeachment, because the President ordered the targeted killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, an American who publicly renounced his citizenship, declared his allegiance to our sworn enemies, and who then actively took up arms against the United States and loudly encouraged others to do so as well. These same people would sacrifice untold numbers of American soldiers to capture a self-declared terrorist and give him a trial because they simply cannot and will not acknowledge that the president did the right thing, but these very same people would condemn Bergdahl and leave him to rot in Afghanistan without so much as an Article 32 hearing, solely to further their blind hatred of Barack Obama.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/06/negotiating-with-terrorists.html

4BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 12:26 pm

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:What he said ....

When these capering lunatics stand in front of the nation, the world, and without a single shred of decency, without the tiniest modicum of self-conscious shame, without any apparent awareness of their own boundless hypocrisy, and loudly protest the release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl from the clutches of our sworn enemies, I have to say no more.

I’ve reached the limit of what little tolerance I have for this insane hatred.


They say it’s because Bergdahl is a deserter, that he could be a traitor.

And maybe he is. Maybe he’s both.

And maybe he isn’t.

We don’t know. No one knows, except for Bergdahl himself.

Think about it real hard.

Think about it real hard, especially if you’re the parent of a soldier-age son or daughter.

And then be glad, goddamned glad, that you have a president who was willing to do what it takes to get Bowe Bergdahl home.

Dead or alive, we get our people home, whatever the cost, that’s the one promise that must never be broken.

http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/06/negotiating-with-terrorists.html

Word ....

If you've reached your limit, then why do you carry on?

This exchange was shameful.

You know it and so does everyone else.

BERGDAHLZI!!! Stirthepot-1

5BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 12:31 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

That's a dissertation worthy of Clarence Darrow,  Sal. 

But let me ask you just one question.  Just for the sake of discussion and to play devil's advocate,  let's say one or more of the five released prisoners gets involved in executing a terrorist plot which kills Americans.
Would that make any difference to you (or whoever wrote this)?

6BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 12:40 pm

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:

This exchange was shameful.

You know it and so does everyone else.


I would've thought you'd reached the depths of your depraved shamefulness with the politicization of the deaths of our patriots in Libya.

But no, you can dig even deeper and politicize the return of a POW.

Your hatred of our President is so visceral that you would have one of our own die at the hands of our enemies, rather than give credit.

You are a malignant cancer on our body politic, and you need to be cut out and thrown in the trash before our country will ever be healthy again.

7BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 12:45 pm

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:That's a dissertation worthy of Clarence Darrow,  Sal. 

But let me ask you just one question.  Just for the sake of discussion and to play devil's advocate,  let's say one or more of the five released prisoners gets involved in executing a terrorist plot which kills Americans.
Would that make any difference to you (or whoever wrote this)?

Fuck no.

I refuse to live my life in fear of what might happen.

Everyone of the detainees in GITMO should be brought to America and tried in criminal court or released.

What we're doing is as unAmerican as it gets.

And, leaving a POW behind, regardless of what he did, is just as unAmerican.

8BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 12:54 pm

Sal

Sal

Rear Adm. John F. Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said that there was a larger matter at play: The American military does not leave soldiers behind. “When you’re in the Navy, and you go overboard, it doesn’t matter if you were pushed, fell or jumped,” he said. “We’re going to turn the ship around and pick you up.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp

9BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 1:14 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

That was a great article, Sal!!!!

PacDog, Markle, and Chrissy are all suffering from Bergdahlzi to some degree. Please, a doctor needs to write them a scrip for medication to relieve their suffering.....
 Razz

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10BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 1:24 pm

Guest


Guest

So which is it sal?

Is it ok to kill traitors or is it better to release 5 top terrorist into the population to bring one traitor home?

11BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 1:25 pm

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Sal wrote:
Bob wrote:That's a dissertation worthy of Clarence Darrow,  Sal. 

But let me ask you just one question.  Just for the sake of discussion and to play devil's advocate,  let's say one or more of the five released prisoners gets involved in executing a terrorist plot which kills Americans.
Would that make any difference to you (or whoever wrote this)?

Fuck no.

I refuse to live my life in fear of what might happen.

Everyone of the detainees in GITMO should be brought to America and tried in criminal court or released.

What we're doing is as unAmerican as it gets.

And, leaving a POW behind, regardless of what he did, is just as unAmerican.


Sal ,you misread his question.


Bob, the liberal mood shifted yesterday.....it's back to standing up for Obama, no matter what happened.

12BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 1:47 pm

Markle

Markle

Sal wrote:
Markle wrote:

This exchange was shameful.

You know it and so does everyone else.


I would've thought you'd reached the depths of your depraved shamefulness with the politicization of the deaths of our patriots in Libya.

But no, you can dig even deeper and politicize the return of a POW.

Your hatred of our President is so visceral that you would have one of our own die at the hands of our enemies, rather than give credit.

You are a malignant cancer on our body politic, and you need to be cut out and thrown in the trash before our country will ever be healthy again.


Few things are more enjoyable than basking in the warm glow of the hate and vitriol radiating from Progressives.

BERGDAHLZI!!! BaskingintheWarmth-1-1

Do you really think you can wish away all these massive, growing scandals.

13BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 1:53 pm

Sal

Sal

Here's how conservatives are treating this ....

2013


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2014


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It's all about Obama ....

.... always.

14BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 2:32 pm

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Sal wrote:Here's how conservatives are treating this ....

2013


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2014


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It's all about Obama ....

.... always.


I thought it was Obama who agreed to release not one but five high ranking terrorist for one deserter. Was it congress that agreed to the trade? Oops, I forgot congress didn't about it. Who was it Sal?

15BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 2:51 pm

Sal

Sal

I honestly don't know what to make of your last two posts, Joanie.

Yes, Obama approved the swap.

Yes, he was right to do so.

Yes, the ongoing rightwing freakout over this is entirely due to who is sitting in the Oval Office.

Clear?

Maybe, I should just rephrase what you wrote earlier ...


"Joanie, the wingnut mood shifted yesterday.....it's back to attacking Obama, no matter what happened."

16BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 3:36 pm

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Sal wrote:Here's how conservatives are treating this ....

2013


BERGDAHLZI!!! Screen10

2014


BERGDAHLZI!!! Screen11

It's all about Obama ....

.... always.

HAHAHAHA!! That one is classic!!!!!!

The Obamahate is scheduled to continue until January 20, 2017, no matter what happens anywhere......

Of course, the wingnuts will be talking about impeachment until 30-seconds before the new president is sworn in.....

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17BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 3:54 pm

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Sal wrote:I honestly don't know what to make of your last two posts, Joanie.

Yes, Obama approved the swap.

Yes, he was right to do so.

Yes, the ongoing rightwing freakout over this is entirely due to who is sitting in the Oval Office.

Clear?

Maybe, I should just rephrase what you wrote earlier ...


"Joanie, the wingnut mood shifted yesterday.....it's back to attacking Obama, no matter what happened."


And the liberals will support any decision made by Obama......5 terrorist leaders for one soldier that planned and willing left his unit.

18BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 4:51 pm

Guest


Guest

A traitor responsible for the death of six of his fellow soldiers.

19BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 5:03 pm

Sal

Sal

I can't believe we're having this conversation.

You do not leave men behind.

Period.

Even if some people say the guy walked away from his post voluntarily.

Even if people died looking for him.

You do not leave a dude to die at the hands of the enemy.

You bring him home, get to the bottom of it, and act accordingly.

Period.

And, prisoner exchanges at the end of armed conflicts are not a new concept.

No matter how scary the prisoners are.

20BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 5:20 pm

Guest


Guest

Sal wrote:I can't believe we're having this conversation.

You do not leave men behind.
HE LEFT HIS FELLOW SOLDIERS.

Period.
HE PROBABLY HAS ONE.

Even if some people say the guy walked away from his post voluntarily.
YEP, SHOWING EVERYONE YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT OF EVER SERVING. THANKS.

Even if people died looking for him.
THOSE ARE THE FIRST PEOPLE THAT HE SHOULD MEET ONCE HE GETS BACK HERE.

You do not leave a dude to die at the hands of the enemy.
THEY WEREN'T HIS ENEMY FROM HIS POINT OF VIEW WHICH WAS MADE CLEAR.

You bring him home, get to the bottom of it, and act accordingly.
HE WON'T MAKE IT. SOMEONE WILL GET HIM BETWEEN NOW AND THEN or DURING HIS COURTS MARTIAL.

Period.
YOU STILL HAVING THOSE?

And, prisoner exchanges at the end of armed conflicts are not a new concept.

WE'RE NOT QUITE DONE YET ACCORDING TO YOUR MESSIAH.

No matter how scary the prisoners are.
SURE HOPE NONE OF YOUR FAMILY IS KILLED ANYWHERE BY ONE OF THESE FIVE.

You are an example of why the Emperor doesn't care if he wears pants or not.

21BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 5:33 pm

Sal

Sal

What a pathetic soldier you are ....

.... no code of conduct, no ethics, no honor ....

22BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 6:43 pm

Guest


Guest

Sorry, but Bergdahl rates not one iota of importance now that we all know he hated America, consorted with the enemy, taught them how to make IEDs, purposely his from rescue forces that lost 6-8 men, and wanted to renounce his citizenship.

23BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 6:44 pm

Guest


Guest

BTW, when have you ever served in combat Sal? I will be awaiting your answer.

24BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 6:58 pm

2seaoat



And the liberals will support any decision made by Obama......5 terrorist leaders for one soldier that planned and willing left his unit.

This is a no brainer. It has nothing to do with Conservatives or liberals. It has everything to do with gray matter and understanding the constitution. The President acted to get a POW back. That is his responsibility and his alone as commander in chief of this country, and he acted. For those lacking gray matter argue that he exceeded his authority or he needed congressional approval......bull chit.....go back to eighth grade civics class and try to understand the constitution. Somebody claiming to be a conservative trying to handcuff the executive branch and the commander in chief.....no you are not a conservative, you are an activist trying to rewrite the constitution for which way the wind is blowing today.

Now these Taliban folks. Did they have anything to do with 911. No. They were ruling their country and allowed Al Queda to set up camps, train, and execute attacks against the United States over a decade. The war is shortly over. These people were our enemy just like the Germans and the Japanese. Two people who our now our staunchest of allies. When war is over, it means it is over. Now if you can show me the Taliban exporting terrorism to the United States you have my attention, but that would require intelligence of the same. There is no intelligence. The war is over and let these people go home.........unless you can show an active connection to exporting terrorism.....different animal.

25BERGDAHLZI!!! Empty Re: BERGDAHLZI!!! 6/4/2014, 7:04 pm

2seaoat



BTW, when have you ever served in combat Sal? I will be awaiting your answer.


I sure have not. 99% of Americans have never served in the Military. Of those who served in the Military less than 15% have seen combat. In a representative democracy we elect our commander and chief of our military. We the civilians make those decisions, and the last thing we want is some type of pre requisite that our commander in chief should serve in the military, much less combat to lead. Sorry, some of the most screwed up people I knew of my son's friends who joined and served in combat did not have some miraculous transformation.....they were screw ups when they joined, and they are screw ups now as they no more have a clue what to do with their lives than before they joined.......you put importance on military service being a precursor to some type of enlightenment.....let me tell you from first hand experience.....it is not.

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