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1More on Bergdahl Empty More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 7:25 am

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More on Bergdahl Bergdahl-3_2927905fhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10868673/Bowe-Bergdahl-a-darker-story-behind-the-release-of-Americas-last-prisoner-of-war.html
 
DAD even looks like the Taliban in the pic.
 
1) He deserted his post in a time of war. (guilt by courtsmartial = death)
2) Having deserted, needless numbers of lives were put on the line to find him when he could have kept his butt on the base. Some people were even WIA and KIA chasing this loser down.
3) How did he not lose his citizenship after trying to join the French Foreign Legion? That in itself is a crime. He must have really SUCKED to not have been even given the chance to go to FFL bootcamp. Obviously, the French saw something our own recruiters did not. LOL.
4) Said he became disillusioned over how we were fighting war in Astan. Really? In the middle of your first tour? Hmmmm. Uh, hello, there is a process for becoming a conscientious objector. Finish out your tour and use the chain of command loser.
5) He is no better than John Walker Lindh (American Taliban).
6) Dad was communicating with Taliban. He even sent an incriminating tweet to Taliban leadership saying "All Afghan children's deaths would be paid back."
 
Get this kid back here, fatten him up and get him healthy, and then get the courtsmartial going and put him in prison for LIFE.

2More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 7:27 am

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So when does Obama go and get the Marine in Mexico?

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I am writing this because last night I heard Fox News’ Harris Faulkner refer to Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl as a local hero. I just listened to Bergdahl’s father refer to his son’s character.

So, we must have a discussion of the truth here. Army SGT Bergdahl was not “captured” by the enemy in 2009. He abandoned his assigned post on his Forward Operating Base (FOB), leaving his weapon. Several U.S. Army Soldiers lost their lives in search for Bergdahl. His disappearance can only be classified as desertion and the media must not be so giddy about a good news story that they don’t tell the truth — which is apparent to many. The allegation of desertion is serious. It is grave because it occurred during a war, during combat operations.

The U.S. Army must uphold proper order and discipline and this allegation must be investigated — but the truth is already known. I believe the liberal media will attempt to elevate him to some type of status that will cause the Army not to pursue the right direction under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). We who have served in Iraq, Afghanistan, and other combat areas of operation against radical Islamists know they don’t hold our troops — they are savagely and brutally murdered. They exist to kill Americans.

Are we glad that Bergdahl is home? After five years, yes, but there are many unanswered questions that cannot be dismissed because of emotions.

As well, America has now negotiated with terrorists, because the Taliban is not a nation-state, it is a non-state, non-uniform belligerent organization, a terrorist group. This is a dangerous precedent and was done unilaterally by President Obama.

How many of our troops lost their lives and sacrificed to capture those five senior Taliban leaders? All for naught. I must admit, the only way I would have released these barbarians would have been once a tracking chip/device had been implanted — without their knowledge. I believe there are long-term ramifications that will result from the release of these five terrorists — there was a reason why the Afghan Taliban demanded these five.

And why would we enter into brokerage with Qatar, a supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood? I believe we should see them for who they are and cease our air operations from that country.

We all know how the media works — hence why Obama made this move over the weekend, on Saturday, as a matter of fact. The belief is that we will cease paying attention to the story by middle of this week. But we cannot. Bergdahl is home, but emotions cannot allow us to abandon our senses, as he abandoned his post.

Some of you may have forgotten something similar happening during the Clinton administration in the Balkans. I went back and found this in the New York Times by Susan Sachs, May 2, 1999:


Three American soldiers held captive for more than a month were released today and handed over to the Rev. Jesse L. Jackson for their trip home. On Saturday President Slobodan Milosevic of Yugoslavia agreed to free the Americans after a lobbying effort by Mr. Jackson that was not sanctioned by United States officials.

The soldiers, who were captured March 31, said they had no ill will toward the Yugoslav people and were treated well. Staff Sgt. Christopher J. Stone also said he was thankful for the gesture of goodwill. He and the other soldiers, Staff Sgt. Andrew A. Ramirez and Specialist Steven M. Gonzales, then joined Mr. Jackson for the trip home. After winning Mr. Milosevic’s promise on Sunday to release the men, Mr. Jackson urged NATO to reciprocate by immediately halting further air strikes and opening negotiations on Kosovo.

Of course, the question back then by those of us in the military was, how did these guys get captured and not fire off a single shot or make a radio call for reinforcements? They were taken along with their HMMWV gun truck. The dirty little secret was that they were somewhere they should not have been.

Bottom line, there is always more to the story than what some want you to know — but in the case of Army SGT Bowe Bergdahl, there is a lot to know. The question is, will we allow the typical sound bite liberal media to direct us away from seeking the truth?

http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/objective-military-assessment-bowe-bergdahl-case/

4More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 9:06 am

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If you have FB you can read this from the link-

https://m.facebook.com/Operatorasphuk/photos/a.1425776924304421.1073741829.1425706610978119/1498917566990356/?type=1

An account if his behavior by
Fellow soldiers...

5More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 9:28 am

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So far what we've been told is a tiny tip of a huge ice berg of a story. It makes no sense whatsoever at this point. I have not been following this very closely other than to hear the news that the solders father started studying the group that held his son and grew his beard as they do. He also learned their language. Perhaps he was thinking he'd have a chance to go negotiate with them for the return of his son?

On the face of it the trade is way out of balance...five senior guys from Gitmo for this seemingly unremarkable person? What is going on? How long will it take someone to ferret it out?

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Here is the twitter post from his old man that he tried to delete


http://youngcons.com/the-freed-american-pows-father-made-a-tweet-that-was-beyond-disturbing-and-then-deleted-it/

http://youngcons.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/deleted-tweet.jpg

7More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 8:23 pm

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Here is the twitter post from his old man that he tried to delete


http://youngcons.com/the-freed-american-pows-father-made-a-tweet-that-was-beyond-disturbing-and-then-deleted-it/

http://youngcons.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/deleted-tweet.jpg

These tweets surely can't come as a surprise to the NSA or whoever it was that was looking for this guy. I mean the idea that we don't leave anyone behind is great but is carried to the extreme in this case in my opinion.

The tweets make wanting to bring the guy back even more confusing and the explanations I've heard so far sound flatly stupid like saying the administration didn't have time to consult with congress because the guy was in such poor health. Really? This is just crazy to me. I still want to know what's really going on.

8More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 9:37 pm

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I join OS in the belief that there are certainly more questions here than answers. Puppy dog, as usual, is out ahead of the facts and has pre-determined the guilt of the American released before all the information surrounding this troubling scenario is released.

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knothead wrote:I join OS in the belief that there are certainly more questions here than answers.  Puppy dog, as usual, is out ahead of the facts and has pre-determined the guilt of the American released before all the information surrounding this troubling scenario is released.

Read the accounts of his peers who DIDN'T desert their post moron.

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:I join OS in the belief that there are certainly more questions here than answers.  Puppy dog, as usual, is out ahead of the facts and has pre-determined the guilt of the American released before all the information surrounding this troubling scenario is released.

Read the accounts of his peers who DIDN'T desert their post moron.

His 'peers' do not necessarily have all the relevant information . . . .

11More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 10:05 pm

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:So when does Obama go and get the Marine in Mexico?


Who would we trade for him?

12More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 10:13 pm

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knothead wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:I join OS in the belief that there are certainly more questions here than answers.  Puppy dog, as usual, is out ahead of the facts and has pre-determined the guilt of the American released before all the information surrounding this troubling scenario is released.

Read the accounts of his peers who DIDN'T desert their post moron.

His 'peers' do not necessarily have all the relevant information . . . .
 
Really now? Guys that he patrolled with, ate with, got shot at with...have no clue? They have first hand KNOWLEDGE gumby. Jeezus, you guys will defend even Benedict Arnold if it did Obama any good.

Bergdahl was in need of some "wall to wall" counseling. Done properly, he would have turned out a decent soldier who did his duty and didn't desert. Too bad his platoon sergeant didn't see all the signs or take action soon enough.

13More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 10:19 pm

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Who would we trade for him?

The cubs have a list of players they would gladly trade......but even the Taliban has standards.

14More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 10:20 pm

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THE TALIBAN DETAINEES RELEASED SATURDAY FROM GUANTANAMO
◾️Abdul Haq Wasiq – Taliban deputy minister оf intelligence
◾️Mullah Norullah Nori – Senior Taliban commander in thе northern city оf Mazar-e-Sharif whо commanded insurgents fighting U.S. forces in lаtе 2001
◾️Khairullah Khairkhwa – Senior Taliban official believed tо hаvе ties tо Osama bin Laden аnd Mullah Omar, thе Taliban’s founder
◾️Mohammed Nabi – A regional Chief оf Security fоr thе Taliban аnd eventual radio operator

Mohammed Fazl – Believed tо hаvе overseen thе mass extermination оf Shiite Muslims during thе 2000 – 2001 wаr thаt ѕаw thе Taliban rise tо power in Afghanistan

 No 

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:I join OS in the belief that there are certainly more questions here than answers.  Puppy dog, as usual, is out ahead of the facts and has pre-determined the guilt of the American released before all the information surrounding this troubling scenario is released.

Read the accounts of his peers who DIDN'T desert their post moron.

His 'peers' do not necessarily have all the relevant information . . . .
 
Really now? Guys that he patrolled with, ate with, got shot at with...have no clue? They have first hand KNOWLEDGE gumby. Jeezus, you guys will defend even Benedict Arnold if it did Obama any good.

Bergdahl was in need of some "wall to wall" counseling. Done properly, he would have turned out a decent soldier who did his duty and didn't desert. Too bad his platoon sergeant didn't see all the signs or take action soon enough.


I agree with you that his superiors were stupid.

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Wordslinger wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:So when does Obama go and get the Marine in Mexico?


Who would we trade for him?

17More on Bergdahl Empty Re: More on Bergdahl 6/2/2014, 10:30 pm

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THE TALIBAN DETAINEES RELEASED SATURDAY FROM GUANTANAMO
◾Abdul Haq Wasiq – Taliban deputy minister оf intelligence
◾Mullah Norullah Nori – Senior Taliban commander in thе northern city оf Mazar-e-Sharif whо commanded insurgents fighting U.S. forces in lаtе 2001
◾Khairullah Khairkhwa – Senior Taliban official believed tо hаvе ties tо Osama bin Laden аnd Mullah Omar, thе Taliban’s founder
◾Mohammed Nabi – A regional Chief оf Security fоr thе Taliban аnd eventual radio operator

Mohammed Fazl – Believed tо hаvе overseen thе mass extermination оf Shiite Muslims during thе 2000 – 2001 wаr thаt ѕаw thе Taliban rise tо power in Afghanistan


Here is a hint for all our Mensa candidates......we are leaving the country after our longest war......do you think we can learn something from history.....like how we dealt with the Germans and Japanese after a five year war......hint.....it is time for diplomacy, and the smart people to take over, and sometimes that means leaving certain Germans in place as a counterbalance to the Soviets, the Marshall Plan applied to Germany, and our treatment of the Japanese after horrific war crimes against us, allowed a post war transition which in the end clearly benefited our country, but again.....the smart people had taken over........but I enjoy the low fruit analysis, because that is just the opposite of what we should do......do your think some Americans were piszed about our kid gloves with the Germans and Japanese.....you bet they were.....but they were wrong.

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:More on Bergdahl 1522063_726140014115514_7505425276910314370_n
Wordslinger wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:So when does Obama go and get the Marine in Mexico?


Who would we trade for him?


LOL, I'll contribute to that cause. Very Happy 

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2seaoat wrote:THE TALIBAN DETAINEES RELEASED SATURDAY FROM GUANTANAMO
◾Abdul Haq Wasiq – Taliban deputy minister оf intelligence
◾Mullah Norullah Nori – Senior Taliban commander in thе northern city оf Mazar-e-Sharif whо commanded insurgents fighting U.S. forces in lаtе 2001
◾Khairullah Khairkhwa – Senior Taliban official believed tо hаvе ties tо Osama bin Laden аnd Mullah Omar, thе Taliban’s founder
◾Mohammed Nabi – A regional Chief оf Security fоr thе Taliban аnd eventual radio operator

Mohammed Fazl – Believed tо hаvе overseen thе mass extermination оf Shiite Muslims during thе 2000 – 2001 wаr thаt ѕаw thе Taliban rise tо power in Afghanistan


Here is a hint for all our Mensa candidates......we are leaving the country after our longest war......do you think we can learn something from history.....like how we dealt with the Germans and Japanese after a five year war......hint.....it is time for diplomacy, and the smart people to take over, and sometimes that means leaving certain Germans in place as a counterbalance to the Soviets, the Marshall Plan applied to Germany, and our treatment of the Japanese after horrific war crimes against us, allowed a post war transition which in the end clearly benefited our country, but again.....the smart people had taken over........but I enjoy the low fruit analysis, because that is just the opposite of what we should do......do your think some Americans were piszed about our kid gloves with the Germans and Japanese.....you bet they were.....but they were wrong.

shut up idiot. If these fuckers go back to doing what they were doing before and you can bet your ass they are pissed and will, this blood is on this admins hands and all of you who are defending this maneuver. someones ass should be in jail over this.

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:More on Bergdahl 1522063_726140014115514_7505425276910314370_n
Wordslinger wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:So when does Obama go and get the Marine in Mexico?


Who would we trade for him?


I have to admit, that's a funny answer!

Won't you admit that this marine has to be dumber than a "bag full of hammers" to lose his way on well marked roads approaching the Mexican border?

Or is all that crapola just crapola because this pissant wanted to go hunting in Mexico without following the rules?

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2seaoat wrote:THE TALIBAN DETAINEES RELEASED SATURDAY FROM GUANTANAMO
◾Abdul Haq Wasiq – Taliban deputy minister оf intelligence
◾Mullah Norullah Nori – Senior Taliban commander in thе northern city оf Mazar-e-Sharif whо commanded insurgents fighting U.S. forces in lаtе 2001
◾Khairullah Khairkhwa – Senior Taliban official believed tо hаvе ties tо Osama bin Laden аnd Mullah Omar, thе Taliban’s founder
◾Mohammed Nabi – A regional Chief оf Security fоr thе Taliban аnd eventual radio operator

Mohammed Fazl – Believed tо hаvе overseen thе mass extermination оf Shiite Muslims during thе 2000 – 2001 wаr thаt ѕаw thе Taliban rise tо power in Afghanistan


Here is a hint for all our Mensa candidates......we are leaving the country after our longest war......do you think we can learn something from history.....like how we dealt with the Germans and Japanese after a five year war......hint.....it is time for diplomacy, and the smart people to take over, and sometimes that means leaving certain Germans in place as a counterbalance to the Soviets, the Marshall Plan applied to Germany, and our treatment of the Japanese after horrific war crimes against us, allowed a post war transition which in the end clearly benefited our country, but again.....the smart people had taken over........but I enjoy the low fruit analysis, because that is just the opposite of what we should do......do your think some Americans were piszed about our kid gloves with the Germans and Japanese.....you bet they were.....but they were wrong.

Uh, we made the Germans and Japanese agree to an UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER HOMEY. Not this "play for the tie" and "not hurt the feelings of the enemy" that Obama changed the ROEs to be. We occupied and gave a death blow to both nations we fought. Obama has tied our hands behind our back while fighting this war even going against the advice of his commanders that he eventually had to fire to get them silenced.

Obama just put the Taliban lead commanders back in business. Since you won't be deploying anytime soon, it means nothing to you....

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Wordslinger wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:More on Bergdahl 1522063_726140014115514_7505425276910314370_n
Wordslinger wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:So when does Obama go and get the Marine in Mexico?


Who would we trade for him?


I have to admit, that's a funny answer!

Won't you admit that this marine has to be dumber than a "bag full of hammers" to lose his way on well marked roads approaching the Mexican border?

Or is all that crapola just crapola because this pissant wanted to go hunting in Mexico without following the rules?

I've seen actions that would be considered "dumber"...

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knothead wrote:I join OS in the belief that there are certainly more questions here than answers.  Puppy dog, as usual, is out ahead of the facts and has pre-determined the guilt of the American released before all the information surrounding this troubling scenario is released.

Educate yourself....

http://www.oafnation.com/guests-pieces/2014/6/2/oaf-exclusive-the-truth-about-bowe-bagdahl

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:
knothead wrote:I join OS in the belief that there are certainly more questions here than answers.  Puppy dog, as usual, is out ahead of the facts and has pre-determined the guilt of the American released before all the information surrounding this troubling scenario is released.

Educate yourself....

http://www.oafnation.com/guests-pieces/2014/6/2/oaf-exclusive-the-truth-about-bowe-bagdahl

Uh, we made the Germans and Japanese agree to an UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER HOMEY. Not this "play for the tie" and "not hurt the feelings of the enemy" that Obama changed the ROEs to be. We occupied and gave a death blow to both nations we fought. Obama has tied our hands behind our back while fighting this war even going against the advice of his commanders that he eventually had to fire to get them silenced.

Obama just put the Taliban lead commanders back in business. Since you won't be deploying anytime soon, it means nothing to you....



I guess I have issues with everyone here on this one. First I recall the same "they tied our hands behind our backs" complaint re the VN war because we couldn't admit that they had more heart in the game than we did. I mean, seriously, you think we couldn't eventually beat any nation that invaded us fighting here on our soil? It would be impossible. Secondly, I hardly think injecting the troop surge into Afghanistan as Obama did qualifies as Obama being soft on the war effort. I was not in favor of that increase in troops BTW.

As for this current 'prisoner of war exchange" it is totally fishy to say the least. It reminds me of the made up story the Bush admin came out with about the rescue of that female soldier. She later told the real story. It was pure propaganda. I digress.

I am leaning toward PD's view on this one. This guy is certainly no hero. Where that word got injected into the story is unknown but inaccurate. What did he do to warrant that description??? He left his equipment & weapons and left the base wandering off on some weird personal mission. He looks more like a deserter than anything to me.

As for the people we traded for him, that is another story altogether. It could be the result of some high level negotiations for some sort of peace agreement but at this time I don't think we know diddly about it.  As I probably said before I think this whole thing is just weird squared.

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:More on Bergdahl Bergdahl-3_2927905fhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10868673/Bowe-Bergdahl-a-darker-story-behind-the-release-of-Americas-last-prisoner-of-war.html
 
DAD even looks like the Taliban in the pic.
 
1) He deserted his post in a time of war. (guilt by courtsmartial = death)
2) Having deserted, needless numbers of lives were put on the line to find him when he could have kept his butt on the base. Some people were even WIA and KIA chasing this loser down.
3) How did he not lose his citizenship after trying to join the French Foreign Legion? That in itself is a crime. He must have really SUCKED to not have been even given the chance to go to FFL bootcamp. Obviously, the French saw something our own recruiters did not. LOL.
4) Said he became disillusioned over how we were fighting war in Astan. Really? In the middle of your first tour? Hmmmm. Uh, hello, there is a process for becoming a conscientious objector. Finish out your tour and use the chain of command loser.
5) He is no better than John Walker Lindh (American Taliban).
6) Dad was communicating with Taliban. He even sent an incriminating tweet to Taliban leadership saying "All Afghan children's deaths would be paid back."
 
Get this kid back here, fatten him up and get him healthy, and then get the courtsmartial going and put him in prison for LIFE.

#1 Dad looks like Dick Dynasty Patriarch.

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