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BREAKING: For President Barack Hussein Obama, Preparing for his Debate was FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN AMERICANS DYING AT BENGHAZI

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Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:I must say some folks have lost their fricking minds.  I read everything which was presented, and I am sorry........I do not even see smoke, let alone fire.  It was not a zero sum game.....all or nothing.  It was a combination of factors which included demonstrators involving the video, and targeted groups who had a terrorist goal.......unfortunately for the arguments which are being made this evening, there is no right answer.......if there is no right answer, how can there be a wrong answer?   help me if you can, but this is really silly.  Some folks really think that these emails establish anything more than the fact that stressing one of the options over the other may have been perceived as better, but that assumption is absurd.   They were in a war zone, doing the work of the CIA......of course they were at risk from targeted groups.....duh.   Chris was not going to wussy out and build a green zone and hide, no he was at risk.....end of story.

Yes, this is really silly.... Maybe you could stoop lower but it will be difficult!
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2seaoat, if the emails mean nothing, why did the White House work so hard to hide them for two years? Why did it take a lawsuit in order to release the un-redacted email?

This one, along with the other erupting, are worrying you. And with good reason!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:The pdf of the emails can be downloaded here:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-benghazi-documents-point-white-house-misleading-talking-points/

The Rhodes email was sent on sent on Friday, September 14, 2012, at 8:09 p.m. with the subject line: “RE: PREP CALL with Susan, Saturday at 4:00 pm ET.” The documents show that the “prep” was for Amb. Rice’s Sunday news show appearances to discuss the Benghazi attack.

The document lists as a “Goal”: “To underscore that these protests are rooted in and Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy.”

Rhodes returns to the “Internet video” scenario later in the email, the first point in a section labeled “Top-lines”:

[W]e’ve made our views on this video crystal clear. The United States government had nothing to do with it. We reject its message and its contents. We find it disgusting and reprehensible. But there is absolutely no justification at all for responding to this movie with violence. And we are working to make sure that people around the globe hear that message.

Among the top administration PR personnel who received the Rhodes memo were White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, Deputy Press Secretary Joshua Earnest, then-White House Communications Director Dan Pfeiffer, then-White House Deputy Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri, then-National Security Council Director of Communications Erin Pelton, Special Assistant to the Press Secretary Howli Ledbetter, and then-White House Senior Advisor and political strategist David Plouffe.

The Rhodes communications strategy email also instructs recipients to portray Obama as “steady and statesmanlike” throughout the crisis. Another of the “Goals” of the PR offensive, Rhodes says, is “[T]o reinforce the President and Administration’s strength and steadiness in dealing with difficult challenges.” He later includes as a PR “Top-line” talking point:

I think that people have come to trust that President Obama provides leadership that is steady and statesmanlike. There are always going to be challenges that emerge around the world, and time and again, he has shown that we can meet them.

The documents Judicial Watch obtained also include a September 12, 2012, email from former DeputySpokesman at U.S. Mission to the United Nations Payton Knopf to Susan Rice, noting that at a press briefing earlier that day, State Department spokesperson Victoria Nuland explicitly stated that the attack on the consulate had been well planned. The email sent by Knopf to Rice at 5:42 pm said:

Responding to a question about whether it was an organized terror attack, Toria said that she couldn’t speak to the identity of the perpetrators but that it was clearly a complex attack.

In the days following the Knopf email, Rice appeared on ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox News and CNN still claiming the assaults occurred “spontaneously” in response to the “hateful video.” On Sunday, September 16 Rice told CBS’s “Face the Nation:”

But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy–sparked by this hateful video.

The Judicial Watch documents confirm that CIA talking points, that were prepared for Congress and may have been used by Rice on “Face the Nation” and four additional Sunday talk shows on September 16, had been heavily edited by then-CIA deputy director Mike Morell. According to one email:

The first draft apparently seemed unsuitable….because they seemed to encourage the reader to infer incorrectly that the CIA had warned about a specific attack on our embassy. On the SVTS, Morell noted that these points were not good and he had taken a heavy hand to editing them. He noted that he would be happy to work with [then deputy chief of staff to Hillary Clinton]] Jake Sullivan and Rhodes to develop appropriate talking points.

The documents obtained by Judicial Watch also contain numerous emails sent during the assault on the Benghazi diplomatic facility. The contemporaneous and dramatic emails describe the assault as an “attack”:

September 11, 2012, 6:41 PM – Senior Advisor Eric Pelofsky, to Susan Rice:

As reported, the Benghazi compound came under attack and it took a bit of time for the ‘Annex’ colleagues and Libyan February 17 brigade to secure it. One of our colleagues was killed – IMO Sean Smith. Amb Chris Stevens, who was visiting Benghazi this week is missing. U.S. and Libyan colleagues are looking for him…

At 8:51 pm, Pelofsky tells Rice and others that “Post received a call from a person using an [sic] RSO phone that Chris was given saying the caller was with a person matching Chris’s description at a hospital and that he was alive and well. Of course, if the he were alive and well, one could ask why he didn’t make the call himself.”

Later that evening, Pelofsky emailed Rice that he was “very, very worried. In particular that he [Stevens] is either dead or this was a concerted effort to kidnap him.” Rice replied, “God forbid.”

September 11, 2012, 4:49 PM – State Department press officer John Fogarty reporting on “Libya update from Beth Jones”:

Beth Jones [Acting Assistant Secretary, Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs] just spoke with DCM Tripoli Greg Hicks, who advised a Libyan militia (we now know this is the 17 Feb brigade, as requested by Emb office) is responding to the attackon the diplomatic mission in Benghazi.”

Material is blacked out (or redacted) in many emails.

thanks, informative post!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger


Fact: Four Americans were murdered by terrorists at the American embassy outpost in Benghazi.

Fact: The Americans had inadequate protection.

Fact: Caught-up in the political firestorm brought on by a forthcoming debate with Romney, the administration tried to spin the Benghazi attack to their benefit.

Fact: Most Americans are sophisticated enough about media and media-spin to realize that such an effort by a standing administration is anything but abnormal.

Fact: Nobody but the racist swine who hate him have cast any direct blame on President Obama for the attack or the inadequate protection provided the ambassador and his guards.

Fact: So far, no one has been able to make the case that any of President Obama's actions were treasonable.

Is Obama guilty of spin? We've had "spin" from virtually every President in the history of our country.

Fact: Once it was known to the administration that the four Americans were killed in the terrorist attack, nothing the President or anyone else in the administration could have done, would have brought them back to life.

At that moment, the debate with Romney was the main issue for the President. Reality.


Guest


Guest

My best guess is that's true... I don't think obama was calling the shots. Panetta said that obama told them to do what was necessary. That said... someone was calling the shots. There was live drone feed. An order went out to scramble... then it was rescinded.

I don't see why we the people aren't entitled to know the details at this late date... let the cards fall where they may.

And before seagoat says it again... I want to know exactly what the cia was doing... and where the weapons came from.

Sal

Sal

PkrBum wrote:I want to know exactly what the cia was doing...

Good luck with that.

And, I say that with all sincerity.

"CIA" and "transparency" are contradictory terms.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:
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Man, you just can't get enough blood and gore (and dead faces, dead people) in your political posts, can you? You are becoming so predictable....  Rolling Eyes 

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Guest


Guest

Whatever happened to those front page body counts and the flag draped coffins on the evening news?

WAR CRIMINAL..!!

(sry... that just slipped out)

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PACEDOG#1 wrote:by ZVUGKTUBM Today at 11:22 am
Wordslinger wrote:

The massive scandal you call Benghazi isn't going to work with a senate controlled by democrats.  

So what it all amounts to is another sounding board for you and your silly compatriots to whine and stomp about how rotten the President is.

And, of course, in keeping with your party's main goal, it's another opportunity to accentuate the dysfunctional dichotomy in Washington.

And most of us see it that way.

Tell me my Nazi friend, how many voters will you seduce to the republican side of the aisle with this nonsense?

Reality.



Good post. There are now three threads in the PDF Politics section devoted to Benghazi. And the odds that these threads will reach anyone beyond the 25 or so posters who regularly visit this forum are????????

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Because people like you have run off most folks

Really? Please, who are any of these folks? And what in hell kind of people in a public online discussion forum would be "run off," by anyone who thinks differently than they do?

If they ran off, it wasn't from me. It was from their own insecurity.

Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Markle wrote:
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Man, you just can't get enough blood and gore (and dead faces, dead people) in your political posts, can you? You are becoming so predictable....

I've had far more than my fill of blood, gore, dead faces and dead people. It is you who do not seem to care or understand.

People, Americans were murdered and this administration has tried to cover up what happened since that very night. As an American do you not want to know what happened or do you not care?

Sal

Sal

You're an asshole who bathes in the blood of patriots, Markle. 


You must be so proud. 

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Sal wrote:You're an asshole who bathes in the blood of patriots, Markle. 


You must be so proud. 

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Markle

Markle

My far left Progressives have nothing...AGAIN.

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2seaoat



People, Americans were murdered and this administration has tried to cover up what happened since that very night. As an American do you not want to know what happened or do you not care?

What cover up?

knothead

knothead

2seaoat wrote:People, Americans were murdered and this administration has tried to cover up what happened since that very night. As an American do you not want to know what happened or do you not care?

What cover up?

 cheers cheers cheers 

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:My far left Progressives have nothing...AGAIN.  

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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Markle wrote:My far left Progressives have nothing...AGAIN.  

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Who has been captured? We know who they are, we know where they are, but you don't care. How noble of you!

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Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:

Who has been captured?  We know who they are, we know where they are,

Yeah, because President Obama has demonstrated a real queasiness about killing terrorists and anyone else in their immediate vicinity when he has the intelligence.

Markle

Markle

So where are they?

Sal

Sal

Markle wrote:So where are they?

WTF???!!!

You just said you knew.


lmao

VectorMan

VectorMan

Sal wrote:
PkrBum wrote:I want to know exactly what the cia was doing...

Good luck with that.

And, I say that with all sincerity.

"CIA" and "transparency" are contradictory terms.

What about Obama's claims of transparency? Talk about contradictory terms. LOL

There needs to be accountability and persons found responsible. Just because Obama is a fake liberal asshole doesn't mean he gets a pass.

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