Right Wingers More Dangerous Than Jihadists in U.S.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:SAL IF YOU COUNTED GANG RELATED ACTIVITIES THERE IS NO WAY RIGHT WING VIOLENCE (YOUR TERM) IS MORE THAN LEFT WING.

Sal wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:SAL IF YOU COUNTED GANG RELATED ACTIVITIES THERE IS NO WAY RIGHT WING VIOLENCE (YOUR TERM) IS MORE THAN LEFT WING.

Is gang related violence political in nature?


I'm trying hard to be nice here, but you really are not very smart. 

Sal wrote:It's like debating physics with a hedgehog. 


[palms face]

Floridatexan wrote:

That's YOU, Neko, but I don't know whether you've noticed...your party has gone completely off the rails trying to demonize segments of the population and promoting Reagan's "vision" of the Cadillac welfare queen, intimating that people who accept welfare are "lazy", while with the other hand they're taking corporate cash by the boatload and writing legislation to take what little remains from the vast majority, who are having a hard time just getting by.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:That pendulum has changed direction and the elections are gonna show just how hard.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Obama will be beyond a lame duck..... Errrrr a limp .....

othershoe1030 wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Nekochan wrote:I started reading Ft's post, knot, but found it very slanted. I personally believe in safety nets for people in need and I have no problem with a min wage (But NOT $15 for a 16 year old inexperienced worker) but I think the States should decide min wage, not the federal gov. Cost of living in FL is much different than in CA, NY, etc.    This again is an attempt to generalize or pigeon hole conservatives as being uncaring bastards.  


And didn't Clinton sign NAFTA?

That's YOU, Neko, but I don't know whether you've noticed...your party has gone completely off the rails trying to demonize segments of the population and promoting Reagan's "vision" of the Cadillac welfare queen, intimating that people who accept welfare are "lazy", while with the other hand they're taking corporate cash by the boatload and writing legislation to take what little remains from the vast majority, who are having a hard time just getting by.

Perfect FT! It is the welfare queen and the food stamp cheaters that are such easy concepts to understand, in reality they are much more rare than many would imagine.

Making the news stories (propaganda) harp on this idea keeps certain elements of the public looking at that shiny object, one perhaps they might have seen up close at the grocery store even.

Personally I think I have rarely been around people who makes megabucks,  no big shot CEO's etc. so these people seem less real. It might be harder to get the point across that the big shots are sucking all the money out of the system when they seem less real. Is it hard to get riled up against a corporation?I don't know. I do know I don't shop at Walmart though.

Floridatexan wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Obama will be beyond a lame duck..... Errrrr a limp .....

Does it really take 4 posts to get your point across?  YOU are what's wrong with this country, little tin man.  You're just too stupid to know it.

Nekochan wrote:

Sal wrote:

Nekochan wrote:A slightly more balanced article.  These nuts, left extremists and right extremists, have more in common with each other than they do with mainstream liberals and conservatives.  These people aren't wired right and they are dangerous.

http://homegrown.newamerica.net/overview_nonjihadists

Ahem ....

.... that's the organization that did the study to which I am referring in my OP.

There's even a link.

lol

You've got to be kidding!! Please relate to me one incident of a left wing individual committing a violent act against people! And please don't tell me about the Watts Riots, etc. That was race war, not liberalism.

My link is different but I'm glad you realize that the study includes left wing nuts even though you didn't mention it in your post.  

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Sal wrote:In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).

By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 21 people in the United States since 9/11.

Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/bergen-sterman-kansas-shooting/index.html?

http://homegrown.newamerica.net/

Really? How many were killed in Boston a year ago? How about at Sandy Hook or the ones by Major Nidal Hassan at Ft Hood? How about the ones killed with the Rep who was wounded in the head? Hmmm all those were NOT right wingers.....

othershoe1030 wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Sal wrote:In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).

By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 21 people in the United States since 9/11.

Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/bergen-sterman-kansas-shooting/index.html?

http://homegrown.newamerica.net/

Really? How many were killed in Boston a year ago? How about at Sandy Hook or the ones by Major Nidal Hassan at Ft Hood? How about the ones killed with the Rep who was wounded in the head? Hmmm all those were NOT right wingers.....

The comparison is between right wing extremists and the jihadist groups only. I personally think it was bad government to bow to the wishes of the indignant right wingers who were protesting the results of the study in their "how dare you impugn the wonderfulness of TRUE patriots such as ourselves, tut-tut. Results of such studies should be taken seriously as we have seen.

So, it is beside the point to bring up deaths by other groups because it is not part of the study. You wouldn't want to add suicides by veterans or accidental deaths by gunshot or what have you because they weren't included.

"In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology."

crow wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Sal wrote:In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).

By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 21 people in the United States since 9/11.

Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/bergen-sterman-kansas-shooting/index.html?

http://homegrown.newamerica.net/

Really? How many were killed in Boston a year ago? How about at Sandy Hook or the ones by Major Nidal Hassan at Ft Hood? How about the ones killed with the Rep who was wounded in the head? Hmmm all those were NOT right wingers.....

The comparison is between right wing extremists and the jihadist groups only. I personally think it was bad government to bow to the wishes of the indignant right wingers who were protesting the results of the study in their "how dare you impugn the wonderfulness of TRUE patriots such as ourselves, tut-tut. Results of such studies should be taken seriously as we have seen.

So, it is beside the point to bring up deaths by other groups because it is not part of the study. You wouldn't want to add suicides by veterans or accidental deaths by gunshot or what have you because they weren't included.

"In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology."

Its a hit piece on conservatives. and you know it. its CRAP.

I cant believe you would defend this CRAP. not to mention white supremacists is NOT part of right wing ideology. I realize that the left wants to paint that picture, but it is NOT part of the ideology.

and if you are going to use these few off the wall cases then it is FAIR game to say that gang violence and murders is a result of left wing ideology. And going by that premise I am sure you are aware then that the left is then more dangerous than jihadist and right wingers put together.

Here is an excerpt from a report/study done by the Combating Terrorism Center of West Point. I do not think this is crap. It is some pretty serious stuff.

I think you are taking offense where none is aimed at you or people you consider to be conservatives. The term right wing unfortunately does include these FRINGE GROUPS of skinheads and neo-nazi's etc. That's just where these folks fall on the political spectrum. They are fringe because they do not represent the more centrist thinking moderate conservatives. Please don't freak out, it doesn't mean you.   

However these groups are real; they are out there; they communicate among themselves and cheer each other on to do violent things.  

Sal wrote:In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation ,right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).

By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 21 people in the United States since 9/11.

Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/bergen-sterman-kansas-shooting/index.html?

http://homegrown.newamerica.net/

othershoe1030 wrote:

crow wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

PACEDOG#1 wrote:

Sal wrote:In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology. According to a count by the New America Foundation, right wing extremists have killed 34 people in the United States for political reasons since 9/11. (The total includes the latest shootings in Kansas, which are being classified as a hate crime).

By contrast, terrorists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology have killed 21 people in the United States since 9/11.

Moreover, since 9/11 none of the more than 200 individuals indicted or convicted in the United States of some act of jihadist terrorism have acquired or used chemical or biological weapons or their precursor materials, while 13 individuals motivated by right wing extremist ideology, one individual motivated by left-wing extremist ideology, and two with idiosyncratic beliefs, used or acquired such weapons or their precursors.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/14/opinion/bergen-sterman-kansas-shooting/index.html?

http://homegrown.newamerica.net/

Really? How many were killed in Boston a year ago? How about at Sandy Hook or the ones by Major Nidal Hassan at Ft Hood? How about the ones killed with the Rep who was wounded in the head? Hmmm all those were NOT right wingers.....

The comparison is between right wing extremists and the jihadist groups only. I personally think it was bad government to bow to the wishes of the indignant right wingers who were protesting the results of the study in their "how dare you impugn the wonderfulness of TRUE patriots such as ourselves, tut-tut. Results of such studies should be taken seriously as we have seen.

So, it is beside the point to bring up deaths by other groups because it is not part of the study. You wouldn't want to add suicides by veterans or accidental deaths by gunshot or what have you because they weren't included.

"In fact, since 9/11 extremists affiliated with a variety of far-right wing ideologies, including white supremacists, anti-abortion extremists and anti-government militants, have killed more people in the United States than have extremists motivated by al Qaeda's ideology."

Its a hit piece on conservatives. and you know it. its CRAP.

I cant believe you would defend this CRAP. not to mention white supremacists is NOT part of right wing ideology. I realize that the left wants to paint that picture, but it is NOT part of the ideology.

and if you are going to use these few off the wall cases then it is FAIR game to say that gang violence and murders is a result of left wing ideology. And going by that premise I am sure you are aware then that the left is then more dangerous than jihadist and right wingers put together.

Here is an excerpt from a report/study done by the Combating Terrorism Center of West Point. I do not think this is crap. It is some pretty serious stuff.

I think you are taking offense where none is aimed at you or people you consider to be conservatives. The term right wing unfortunately does include these FRINGE GROUPS of skinheads and neo-nazi's etc. That's just where these folks fall on the political spectrum. They are fringe because they do not represent the more centrist thinking moderate conservatives. Please don't freak out, it doesn't mean you.   

However these groups are real; they are out there; they communicate among themselves and cheer each other on to do violent things.  

Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right

Jan 15, 2013
Author: Arie Perliger
In the last few years, and especially since 2007, there has been a dramatic rise in the number of attacks and violent plots originating from individuals and groups who self-identify with the far-right of American politics. These incidents cause many to wonder whether these are isolated attacks, an increasing trend, part of increasing societal violence, or attributable to some other condition. To date, however, there has been limited systematic documentation and analysis of incidents of American domestic violence.

This study provides a conceptual foundation for understanding different far-right groups and then presents the empirical analysis of violent incidents to identify those perpetrating attacks and their associated trends. Through a comprehensive look at the data, this study addresses three core questions:

(1) What are the main current characteristics of the violence produced by the far right?

(2) What type of far-right groups are more prone than others to engage in violence? How are characteristics of particular far-right groups correlated with their tendency to engage in violence?

(3) What are the social and political factors associated with the level of far-right violence? Are there political or social conditions that foster or discourage violence?

It is important to note that this study concentrates on those individuals and groups who have actually perpetuated violence and is not a comprehensive analysis of the political causes with which some far-right extremists identify. While the ability to hold and appropriately articulate diverse political views is an American strength, extremists committing acts of violence in the name of those causes undermine the freedoms that they purport to espouse.

http://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/challengers-from-the-sidelines-understanding-americas-violent-far-right