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Foreign money influencing US elections

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othershoe1030

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Of course those of us who hate the Citizens United decision were afraid of this sort of thing from the beginning.


Feds: Mexican tycoon exploited super PACs to influence U.S. elections

Foreign Policy, John Hudson
Feb 12 2014 - 3:42pm
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WASHINGTON -- In a first of its kind case, federal prosecutors say a Mexican businessman funneled more than $500,000 into U.S. political races through Super PACs and various shell companies. The alleged financial scheme is the first known instance of a foreign national exploiting the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision to influence U.S. elections. If proven, the campaign finance scandal could reshape the public debate over the high court's landmark decision.

Until now, allegations surrounding Jose Susumo Azano Matsura, the owner of multiple construction companies in Mexico, have not spread beyond local news outlets in San Diego, where he's accused of bankrolling a handful of southern California candidates. But the scandal is beginning to attract national interest as it ensnares a U.S. congressman, a Washington, D.C.-based campaign firm and the legacy of one of the most important Supreme Court decisions in a generation.

http://www.standard.net/stories/2014/02/12/feds-mexican-tycoon-exploited-super-pacs-influence-us-elections

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Soros is much bigger... he's even been naturalized. Which considering his background should concern people.

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Obama is a foreign POTUS what else would you expect?

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sure are, during the 2012 election obumer was getting tons of money from all over the place aka other countries.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Obama is a foreign POTUS what else would you expect?

That is your opinion. No one has conclusively proven that President Obama is serving in deference to mandates in our Constitution that the POTUS be born an American citizen.

Either you are a total idiot, or the milllions of voters who enabled Obama to garner 300+ electoral votes in November 2012 are all idiots. What are the odds in your favor?

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Obama is a foreign POTUS what else would you expect?

That is your opinion. No one has conclusively proven that President Obama is serving in deference to mandates in our Constitution that the POTUS be born an American citizen.

Either you are a total idiot, or the milllions of voters who enabled Obama to garner 300+ electoral votes in November 2012 are all idiots. What are the odds in your favor?

yeah, im going with that. they are.

2seaoat



I am certain since Citizen United more foreign money has come into the campaigns of people on both sides of the aisle, and it came in before Citizens with loopholes which made the barrier to the same look like swiss cheese.

Markle

Markle

I'm sure you recall that the Clinton and McCain campaigns both had protected their web sites from being able to accept foreign contributions. The campaign for Senator Barack Hussein Obama "overlooked" that detail on their websites.

When setting up a website which accepts credit cards, there is a simple check off which prevents the site from accepting contributions from outside the US.

FITTON: Obama campaign’s illegal foreign donations

Internet giving opens door to non-U.S. donors

To repeat: The FEC provides virtually zero oversight for Internet contributions. The political campaigns are responsible for policing themselves.

The prospect of illegal foreign donations is an especially thorny problem for the Obama campaign. Here’s why: The Internet site Obama.com isn’t owned by the Obama campaign. It’s owned by China-based American businessman Robert Roche, CEO of Acorn International, a large media company. As Mr. Schweizer and Mr. Boyer note, 68 percent of the some 2,000 visitors each day on Obama.com are foreign in origin.

The fact is many of these noncitizens could very easily make an illegal contribution to the Obama campaign. Visitors to Obama.com are redirected on the site to a donation page on the campaign’s official website, BarackObama.com, and reportedly receive campaign solicitations as well.

This mixing and mingling between the Obama.com website’s large foreign following and the Obama campaign website is problem No. 1. Here’s problem No. 2: Internet donations continue to flood into the Obama campaign, creating a rich environment for campaign finance fraud.

Former Bill Clinton campaign consultant Dick Morris described the scope of the problem in a recent column: “In September, the Obama campaign got 1.8 million donations from small contributors who did not break the $200 threshold requiring that their information be reported to the Federal Election Commission. They gave the campaign 98 percent of the $181 million it raised that month, a figure vastly higher than its take in any previous month.”

Not only is there a lack of strict separation between Obama.com and Obama’s official campaign website, but the issue is magnified by the amount of funds raised by the Obama campaign over the Internet.

More from Mr. Morris: “Questions arise because the Obama campaign, unlike Romney’s or, for that matter, Hillary Clinton’s in 2008, refuses to ask donors for their CVV number (the number on your credit card that one is often asked for after giving one’s name and expiration date). The CVV is designed to assure that the donor is actually physically holding the card.”

Why would the Obama campaign officials oppose any effort to ensure the legitimacy of a campaign contribution? It’s the same reason they oppose voter ID laws. The Obama campaign evidently believes that election fraud and campaign finance fraud are permissible tools for the purpose of retaining power.


Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/24/obama-campaigns-illegal-foreign-donations/#ixzz2tJxt0gPt
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Foreign POTUS = Foreign money

boards of FL

boards of FL

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance/independent-expenditures/totals


Foreign money enters our election process through super PACs.

The link above shows us that, during the last presidential election, only 10 of the 45 major super PACs that accounted for most of the outside spending are democratic leaning.  All of the rest are pro-GOP.  

I actually tallied up the top 20 super PACs from the link above:

Pro-republican: $ 424,526,232 - 83.9%
Pro-democrat: $ 81,419,130 - 16.1%

Oddly enough, however, GOP supporters believe that the exact opposite is the case.  GOP supports, living in a world completely divorced from reality, believe that it is actually Obama who reaped the most from these outside, independent spending channels.  

Point and laugh at the GOP supporters, everyone!  Point and laugh at the GOP supporters!

HAHAHAHAHA!



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boards of FL wrote:http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance/independent-expenditures/totals


Foreign money enters our election process through super PACs.

The link above shows us that, during the last presidential election, only 10 of the 45 major super PACs that accounted for most of the outside spending are democratic leaning.  All of the rest are pro-GOP.  

Oddly enough, however, GOP supporters believe that the exact opposite is the case.  GOP supports, living in a world completely divorced from reality, believe that it is actually Obama who reaped the most from these outside, independent spending channels.  

Point and laugh at the GOP supporters, everyone.  HAHAHAHAHA!

Sadly, the desire to believe the exact opposite of reality is strong among these new anti-science, anti-reality based kidnappers of the GOP Party. You know when Pat Roberts pleads with them to stop claiming the Earth is 6,000 years old because it makes them look stupid you know something has gone wrong.

I can understand the average person not being interested enough in politics to ferret out some obscure detail of campaign financing but it really disappoints me when people who should know better fail to grasp even the most basic tenants of science such as the difference between climate and weather.  

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The pendulum wil swing back...and harder

boards of FL

boards of FL

HAHAHAHAHAHA!


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othershoe1030 wrote:

Sadly, the desire to believe the exact opposite of reality is strong among these new anti-science, anti-reality based kidnappers of the GOP Party. You know when Pat Roberts pleads with them to stop claiming the Earth is 6,000 years old because it makes them look stupid you know something has gone wrong.

I can understand the average person not being interested enough in politics to ferret out some obscure detail of campaign financing but it really disappoints me when people who should know better fail to grasp even the most basic tenants of science such as the difference between climate and weather.  

Couldn't agree more.

Their antediluvian attitudes are causing our culture to devolve in some really stupid ways.



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boards of FL wrote:

Point and laugh at the GOP supporters, everyone!  Point and laugh at the GOP supporters!


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Yep your admin is quite laughable in every attempt to govern

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These silly threads that PeeDog makes and keeps bumping to the top of the forum are what are laugable.......

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Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance/independent-expenditures/totals


Foreign money enters our election process through super PACs.

The link above shows us that, during the last presidential election, only 10 of the 45 major super PACs that accounted for most of the outside spending are democratic leaning.  All of the rest are pro-GOP.  

I actually tallied up the top 20 super PACs from the link above:

Pro-republican: $ 424,526,232 - 83.9%
Pro-democrat: $ 81,419,130 - 16.1%

Oddly enough, however, GOP supporters believe that the exact opposite is the case.  GOP supports, living in a world completely divorced from reality, believe that it is actually Obama who reaped the most from these outside, independent spending channels.  

Point and laugh at the GOP supporters, everyone!  Point and laugh at the GOP supporters!

HAHAHAHAHA!

What President first said they strongly favored government financing of political campaigns then at the last minute "changed their mind" and skipped matching funds and spent twice what his opponent spent for the 2008 election?

How much did they spend and how much did their opponent?

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance/independent-expenditures/totals

Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014

Foreign money enters our election process through super PACs.

The link above shows us that, during the last presidential election, only 10 of the 45 major super PACs that accounted for most of the outside spending are democratic leaning.  All of the rest are pro-GOP.  

I actually tallied up the top 20 super PACs from the link above:

Pro-republican: $ 424,526,232 - 83.9%
Pro-democrat: $ 81,419,130 - 16.1%

Oddly enough, however, GOP supporters believe that the exact opposite is the case.  GOP supports, living in a world completely divorced from reality, believe that it is actually Obama who reaped the most from these outside, independent spending channels.  

Point and laugh at the GOP supporters, everyone!  Point and laugh at the GOP supporters!

HAHAHAHAHA!

Keep chuckling while you digest this tidbit.

Contributions to Progressives from...the fading Unions.

2.) American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,667,379
4.) National Education Assn $53,594,488
7.) Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $44,478,789
8.) United Auto Workers $41,667,858
9.) Carpenters & Joiners Union $39,260,371
10.) Service Employees International Union $38,395,690
11.) Laborers Union $37,494,010
12.) American Federation of Teachers $36,713,325
13.) Communications Workers of America $36,188,135
14.) Teamsters Union $36,123,209
16.) United Food & Commercial Workers Union $33,756,550
20.) Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $31,313,097
23.) AFL-CIO $30,938,977
32.) National Assn of Letter Carriers $26,106,359
39.) Plumbers & Pipefitters Union $23,886,248
42.) Operating Engineers Union $23,036,848
43.) International Assn of Fire Fighters $22,963,260
46.) Sheet Metal Workers Union $22,372,978
59.) Koch Industries $18,083,948

Read more:  http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

You are a terrific foil, I do appreciate your help!



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Obama campaign fraud in Obama’s Secret Campaign Cash: Has $63 Million Flowed ... , on October 19th; putting a final nail on the Obama campaign coffin with Obama’s Credit Card Scheme Gets Noticed on October 27th.

The lamestream press was no longer able to turn its collective head from what was clearly becoming a story of hi-tech campaign finance fraud on a gargantuan international scale.

By the time the Washington Post decided to run with the story Timmerman had uncovered, it was clear that the Obama campaign had knowingly and intentionally opted to keep shaking the international campaign money tree by turning off the Obama web-site AVS (address verification system), designed to catch fraudulent credit and debit card transactions, or at least make them traceable if they happen to get through.

By turning off the online security service monitoring credit and debit card donations to the Obama campaign, the flood gates were opened wide, and the means to trace the source of those funds were all but eliminated.

The Obama campaign chose to keep the clandestine money flowing into the most expensive political campaign in world history. They chose to accept fraudulent campaign contributions under the assumption that the election would be over before the massive chargebacks soon-to- follow would draw negative attention.

Only days before the election, a historic level of Obama campaign finance fraud is under investigation. Newsrooms are forced to cover this one and Obama campaign transaction processor Chase-Paymentech, could be sitting on hundreds of millions in chargebacks after the Obama campaign closes its doors.
Obama Campaign Allowing Untraceable Donations
Obama’s Easy Credit Donations
They had 'chosen not to use basic security measures'
Obama Refused Security Checks on Credit Card Donations
Obama’s massive campaign haul sparks questions

Winning is the only thing that matters

Clearly, the end justifies all means, and you certainly can’t afford to care where all of that money is coming from when you are running the most excessive campaign in political history. For months, reports have circulated of Arab-Muslim Americans standing in checkout lanes across the country purchasing boxes full of $10 - $25 prepaid credit cards to be shipped to family and friends back in the Middle East.

and Obama used the same scheme in 2012.

why not close that loop hole? im all for it.

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Liberals ... For them it is do as I say and not as I do

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/02/rev-sun-myung-moon-dead_n_1850677.html

The Washington Times is not a credible news source.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Where did you get that drivel you posted, "."?

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
Where did you get that drivel you posted, "."?

You're on a roll today! Anything you don't like is drivel. Even though you can never post a thing to refute the FACTS posted here by Conservatives. Little wonder you get so testy!

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