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http://www.infowars.com/221-percent-increase-in-one-year-why-are-so-many-people-renouncing-american-citizenship/

And if you do lose everything, don’t expect anyone to care very much.  There is already a frightening lack of compassion for those that are down on their luck in the United States today.  For example, in Pensacola, Florida it is actually illegal for homeless people to use blankets or cardboard boxes to shield themselves from the cold…

So there I was with my wife and three kids, all of us huddled under blankets with the fireplace roaring, watching the temperature continue to drop from a comfortable 65 degrees down to 45. But outside it was 17 degrees and raining and sleeting, and if you were homeless, you had to consider that if you used a blanket to shield yourself from the elements, that you might be hauled off to jail for a violation of a local ordinance prohibiting using blankets, cardboard, or newspaper to cover yourself.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:in Pensacola, Florida it is actually illegal for homeless people to use blankets... to shield themselves from the cold…

If it's illegal inside the City of Pensacola then it would have required the City Council to enact an ordinance to make that illegal. Have you or anyone reading this ever heard of anything like that because I haven't?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I remember they did pass some laws back a couple years ago to remove the "vermin" from our streets. We had a lot of discussions about it then...Ah there was a link in the article....
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/florida-ordinance-makes-illegal-homeless-use-blankets/#axzz2sm9o1Tuq

This was part of a series of ordinances which prohibited using public restrooms for washing your face, panhandling, and “camping”. Though the mayor’s office and members of the city council tried to say that these ordinances were not targeted at the homeless, email correspondence between them and other city officials proved otherwise.

The anti-camping ordinance went the furthest in its limitation of basic civil liberties, making it essentially illegal, not only to cover yourself for any reason, but also effectively making it illegal to be homeless. It was a tough ordinance to fight, because if you opposed them, it gave the impression that you were supporting blight in the city. Not to mention the city council wasn’t interested in having the discussion. The then council president either would cut people off or have them thrown out during the public discussion.

The ordinances were passed, in spite of the public outcry.

One of the arguments that was constantly used during the limited debate about the ordinances, was that there was a “silent majority” that wanted to see these laws passed. So these people didn’t show up to the meetings or send emails that could be presented as part of the public record. Instead, they might have stopped a council person on the streets, so they claimed it had more weight than the hundreds of folks in the council chambers in protest. I decided to see how true this supposed silent majority was.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Gung-ho Pensacola cop to homeless person during last week's freeze: "Get that blanket off you because the law doesn't allow it".

Holy mackeral has the world got crazy on us.



TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Pensacola is a selfish hateful little sore on the ass of florida. I wish it no good thing May it's leadership all shrivel and die of plague. Glad I left that dump years ago.

boards of FL

boards of FL

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Pensacola is a selfish hateful little sore on the ass of florida. 


You should add "and a conservative stronghold".


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boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Pensacola is a selfish hateful little sore on the ass of florida. 


You should add "and a conservative stronghold".

By your definition of conservative. Actually the powers that be in Pcola are still old time democrats that love the klan and hate the poor unless they can use them

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Yes, it's true,Bob? They enacted it in August 2013.

http://jeremybosso.wordpress.com/2014/01/24/freezing-temperatures-requesting-pensacola-city-council-repeal-the-blanket-ban/


All the God fearing Christians on the city council. I've seen homeless people arrested for trespassing for going on Goodwill property trying to shop in their stores. They spend months in jail and have to do community service for these "crimes".

boards of FL

boards of FL

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Pensacola is a selfish hateful little sore on the ass of florida. 


You should add "and a conservative stronghold".

By your definition of conservative. Actually the powers that be in Pcola are still old time democrats that love the klan and hate the poor unless they can use them


I use the same definition that the rest of the world uses.  Often times, republicans aren't even opposed in elections for various local offices.  See the most recent county clerk of court election, for example.  Escambia county is about is red as it gets.  


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Floridatexan

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If I'm not mistaken, this ordinance (yes...they did that) was passed in response to the Occupy protests downtown.



Hey Pensacola made the big time news... Homeless_and_cold

Being Homeless Is Not A Crime
By Father Nathan Monk


PENSACOLA, FL - Living in Florida, we don’t often have the opportunity to use the heat setting on our thermostat, but this winter we got the chance in a big way. And as a matter of fact, so many people in my neighborhood were using heaters that it blew out the transformer.

So there I was with my wife and three kids, all of us huddled under blankets with the fireplace roaring, watching the temperature continue to drop from a comfortable 65 degrees down to 45. But outside it was 17 degrees and raining and sleeting, and if you were homeless, you had to consider that if you used a blanket to shield yourself from the elements, that you might be hauled off to jail for a violation of a local ordinance prohibiting using blankets, cardboard, or newspaper to cover yourself.

This was part of a series of ordinances which prohibited using public restrooms for washing your face, panhandling, and “camping”. Though the mayor’s office and members of the city council tried to say that these ordinances were not targeted at the homeless, email correspondence between them and other city officials proved otherwise.

The anti-camping ordinance went the furthest in its limitation of basic civil liberties, making it essentially illegal, not only to cover yourself for any reason, but also effectively making it illegal to be homeless. It was a tough ordinance to fight, because if you opposed them, it gave the impression that you were supporting blight in the city. Not to mention the city council wasn’t interested in having the discussion. The then council president either would cut people off or have them thrown out during the public discussion.

The ordinances were passed, in spite of the public outcry.

One of the arguments that was constantly used during the limited debate about the ordinances, was that there was a “silent majority” that wanted to see these laws passed. So these people didn’t show up to the meetings or send emails that could be presented as part of the public record. Instead, they might have stopped a council person on the streets, so they claimed it had more weight than the hundreds of folks in the council chambers in protest. I decided to see how true this supposed silent majority was.

I started a petition, and within a day we had nearly 1,000 signatures opposing the ordinance. People began to ask the question, “Could this ordinance be used on me, or just the homeless?” And the answer from the legal staff of the city is that yes, this law was applicable to anyone who used a blanket or news paper to cover themselves in public. Even if you got stuck in a city park because it was raining and you tried to shield yourself, you would technically be in violation of this ordinance and subject to arrest. So would your wife and child if they laid down with a blanket at a picnic or festival.

The mayor quickly attempted to distance himself from the ordinances, placing blame on the council, even though it has been proven time and again that the memos came directly from his office, at his request. Then the mayor tried to downplay the concern of people saying that there was enough shelter, and that “no one was taking blankets away from the homeless.” But the problem is that the mayor was answering questions no one was asking, directed at accusations no one made. The issue is not that the mayor was taking away people’s blankets, because honestly that would be a violation of the illegal search and seizure clause in the constitution, but rather that someone could be arrested simply for being homeless.

The argument that there are shelters open and that they should just go there, showed exactly why the mayor shouldn’t be making policy about things which he doesn’t understand. Not only are there not enough shelter beds for everyone within the city limits, there is not even a shelter within the city limits for them to go to. If someone was to seek shelter, they would have to go into the county and have a valid ID. Not to mention that many folks don’t qualify for shelters for other reasons and many won’t patronize them because they are veterans who suffer from PTSD.

The major shelter in town only allows for people to stay three days a month, unless they join their drug rehabilitation and Christian indoctrination program. This is the only solution the city is willing to put forward. No matter if someone ends up on the streets due to bad decision, disability, a poor economy, or if they simply just prefer living outside to dealing with the trappings of the modern life, it should go without saying that they have an absolute right to cover themselves with a blanket.

The idea that something as basic as covering oneself from the elements could land them in jail is just about as far away from the founding documents as it gets. Then again, it is easy to pick on people that don’t have a voice. But as the poem goes, “and then they came for me.” To help fight the ordinance visit the change.org petition here:

http://www.change.org/petitions/mayor-ashton-haward-stop-the-no-blankets-for-the-homeless-ordinance

Father Nathan Monk lives in Pensacola, Florida and studied Theology at Holy Resurrection Orthodox Seminary.



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Floridatexan

Floridatexan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Pensacola is a selfish hateful little sore on the ass of florida. 


You should add "and a conservative stronghold".

By your definition of conservative. Actually the powers that be in Pcola are still old time democrats that love the klan and hate the poor unless they can use them

By "old time democrats", you really mean modern-day Republicans, don't you? You can't possibly be that clueless.

Sal

Sal

Hating on the poorz has become the national pastime.

Guest


Guest

It sure has. Like they don't have enough problems.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

http://blacktrilby.com/political-conservative-conservatism-defined/

Political Conservative – Conservatism Defined

It should be noted at the outset that the terms “Conservative” and “Republican” are not synonymous. The Republican party tends to run right of center, but can at times be less-than-conservative in its politics. Within the Republican Party, you will find many conservatives, many centrists and more than a handful who are more aptly described as liberal.

Conservatism is anything but a monolithic movement. Rather, the movement houses a rich diversity of opinion on many subjects. What binds conservatives together is an adherence to core principles and a conviction that history has proven time and again that government based on these principles create the greatest society. While we may dispute the finer points and how these principles should be implemented, conservatives embrace these principles as the best way to maximize freedom, opportunity, and happiness in American Society.

If conservatism were defined by hot button issues, the list of hot buttons might look like this:

Limited government
Low Taxes
Strong Military
Individual Liberty
Rugged Individualism
American Exceptionalism
Preservation of the Founding Documents and Principles
Free Market
Free Speech
Free People


Preference for liberty over equality: Liberty and equality are on opposing sides of the political continuum. The more liberty a society enjoys, the less equality. The converse is also true. Given our differing skills, abilities, passions, and drives, the only way to achieve equality is to limit (deprive the freedom of) those who possess more of these qualities. Understanding this, conservatives lean toward liberty, even if this means that the noble desire for equality is not fully achieved.


a Libertarian-Conservative may find himself at odds with his conservative brothers on many social issues. For instance, he may find drug use very bad and destructive, but cannot support laws prohibiting its use.

Guest


Guest

TEOTWAWKI wrote:http://www.infowars.com/221-percent-increase-in-one-year-why-are-so-many-people-renouncing-american-citizenship/

And if you do lose everything, don’t expect anyone to care very much.  There is already a frightening lack of compassion for those that are down on their luck in the United States today.  For example, in Pensacola, Florida it is actually illegal for homeless people to use blankets or cardboard boxes to shield themselves from the cold…

So there I was with my wife and three kids, all of us huddled under blankets with the fireplace roaring, watching the temperature continue to drop from a comfortable 65 degrees down to 45. But outside it was 17 degrees and raining and sleeting, and if you were homeless, you had to consider that if you used a blanket to shield yourself from the elements, that you might be hauled off to jail for a violation of a local ordinance prohibiting using blankets, cardboard, or newspaper to cover yourself.

if its 17 degrees and sleeting, im going to purposely use a blanket, hell I might even piss in the middle of the road just to get hauled off to jail. nice warm bed, free meal with desert.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

One commenter said if we here had any balls we would all wear ponchos in protest....I agree we should all wear blankets and sit at bus stops and when the cops come by show them our IDs and tell them to take a hike.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:One commenter said if we here had any balls we would all wear ponchos in protest....I agree we should all wear blankets and sit at bus stops and when the cops come by show them our IDs and tell them to take a hike.

im not fond of vagrants. so this is a topic you and the others here can agree on and I will be the devils advocate.

Ive had some pretty serious problems with vagrants so I wont be protesting, yall go ahead. and when your city is home to thousands of vagrants, don't be bitchin. just leave the back door open and the fridge full. Wink 

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Dot wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:One commenter said if we here had any balls we would all wear ponchos in protest....I agree we should all wear blankets and sit at bus stops and when the cops come by show them our IDs and tell them to take a hike.

im not fond of vagrants. so this is a topic you and the others here can agree on and I will be the devils advocate.

Ive had some pretty serious problems with vagrants so I wont be protesting, yall go ahead. and when your city is home to thousands of vagrants, don't be bitchin. just leave the back door open and the fridge full. Wink 

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Dot wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:One commenter said if we here had any balls we would all wear ponchos in protest....I agree we should all wear blankets and sit at bus stops and when the cops come by show them our IDs and tell them to take a hike.

im not fond of vagrants. so this is a topic you and the others here can agree on and I will be the devils advocate.

Ive had some pretty serious problems with vagrants so I wont be protesting, yall go ahead. and when your city is home to thousands of vagrants, don't be bitchin. just leave the back door open and the fridge full. Wink 

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

I am very charitable. you know that I am a very charitable person. But I am no fool. now I could dig up a few scriptures about fools if you like. or perhaps I could dig one up about laziness?

I said I have personal reasons why I do not support vagrants. I have had bad experience ok. now you are free to support it you little liberal you. go out there and hand them drunks, druggies, rapist all your money and make sure they can stay in public places and urinate beside the local store where someones 4 year old is going to accidently get a peek or perhaps run to pick up a nickel in the urine spot.

I could go on. but let someone else. if people want to live off the grid, they need to do it in the woods, not in the streets where they are pissin and shittin in public, and stealing and raping etc etc etc...

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Dot wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:One commenter said if we here had any balls we would all wear ponchos in protest....I agree we should all wear blankets and sit at bus stops and when the cops come by show them our IDs and tell them to take a hike.

im not fond of vagrants. so this is a topic you and the others here can agree on and I will be the devils advocate.

Ive had some pretty serious problems with vagrants so I wont be protesting, yall go ahead. and when your city is home to thousands of vagrants, don't be bitchin. just leave the back door open and the fridge full. Wink 

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

That won't matter in Chrissy's case. She may as well go ahead and not give a shit about homeless people. Because whether she does or not she's already condemned to swimming in the lake of fire for the same reason I am. lol

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

You paint with a broad brush and it's not like you. I regret you feel like anyone down on their luck deserves it because :

1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I remember they did pass some laws back a couple years ago to remove the "vermin" from our streets. We had a lot of discussions about it then...Ah there was a link in the article....
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/florida-ordinance-makes-illegal-homeless-use-blankets/#axzz2sm9o1Tuq

This was part of a series of ordinances which prohibited using public restrooms for washing your face, panhandling, and “camping”. Though the mayor’s office and members of the city council tried to say that these ordinances were not targeted at the homeless, email correspondence between them and other city officials proved otherwise.

The anti-camping ordinance went the furthest in its limitation of basic civil liberties, making it essentially illegal, not only to cover yourself for any reason, but also effectively making it illegal to be homeless. It was a tough ordinance to fight, because if you opposed them, it gave the impression that you were supporting blight in the city. Not to mention the city council wasn’t interested in having the discussion. The then council president either would cut people off or have them thrown out during the public discussion.

The ordinances were passed, in spite of the public outcry.

One of the arguments that was constantly used during the limited debate about the ordinances, was that there was a “silent majority” that wanted to see these laws passed. So these people didn’t show up to the meetings or send emails that could be presented as part of the public record. Instead, they might have stopped a council person on the streets, so they claimed it had more weight than the hundreds of folks in the council chambers in protest. I decided to see how true this supposed silent majority was.

Good post, Teo. I have nothing to add.

But Chrissy - you have no idea how difficult it is for me to not respond to one of your posts above. Please reference my response on your new thread about happiness.

Guest


Guest

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You paint with a broad brush and it's not like you. I regret you feel like anyone down on their luck deserves it because :

1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

like bob stated. according to you and others, im already condemned by the apparently most evil sin one can do by being a lesbian. although all sins are supposed to be equal according to the bible.  Wink 

I tire of people acting like they are do gooders. when most likely you, or PB have never walked amongst the homeless to know what it is like. You make your assumptions based on what you read and how you feel.

I cant save the world. Ive tried. So the little bit of funds I have will go to helping people who are willing to help themselves or little people who cant.

So if yall want to run off and help those people living in the streets most often by their OWN choice, do it. But do not condemn me because I have learned to not put myself in a danger.

I wish y'all the best of luck saving all these homeless people and putting them up and taking them into your home. somehow though I get the feeling your both all talk and no do.

my guess about this group is that not one of you even contribute to a charity. so spare me the condemnation. fake compassion really gripes me. lol

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I have spent time in missions on both ends receiving and dishing out...I liked dishing out much better.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:I have spent time in missions on both ends receiving and dishing out...I liked dishing out much better.

most men do.

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