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Ryans budget proposal was a “serious, legitimate proposal"

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"to save our critical health and retirement security programs for current and future generations.” Said OBAMA in 2010 calling it “genuine, detailed and a legitimate plan to tackle our fiscal crisis.”

He didn’t agree with the Medicare voucher idea.

Obama is just one of several Dem politicos who in the past praised Ryan as someone who is willing to work with both sides of the aisle to get things done. Say what you will but it's about time someone in office did that. So what are the Dems doing now? Reverting to type and slamming Ryan. Typical politicians.

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nochain wrote:"to save our critical health and retirement security programs for current and future generations.” Said OBAMA in 2010 calling it “genuine, detailed and a legitimate plan to tackle our fiscal crisis.”

He didn’t agree with the Medicare voucher idea.

Obama is just one of several Dem politicos who in the past praised Ryan as someone who is willing to work with both sides of the aisle to get things done. Say what you will but it's about time someone in office did that. So what are the Dems doing now? Reverting to type and slamming Ryan. Typical politicians.

Did everyone get the opportunity to see the recorded conversation between former President Clinton and Rep Ryan?...The best part was when the former president said about Ryan's proposals/legislation....he (Clinton) hoped that this would not be an excuse for the democrats not to do anything...which is exactly what has happened...The former president may not agree with most of the passed legislation but admits the democrats have done nothing to move forward with anything from the Senate side...

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/ryan-in-two-numbers/

Last year, when Paul Ryan first made a big splash with his budget proposal, many commentators — some of them pretending to be moderates or at any rate only moderate conservatives — lavished praise on its fiscal responsibility. Then people who actually know how to read budget numbers weighed in, revealing it as a piece of mean-spirited junk.

Now, on round two, the nature of the discussion has changed; instead of hearing about how wonderful Ryan is, we’re hearing about what a big meanie Obama is for saying nasty things about Ryan’s plan — a plan that is “imperfect” and maybe cuts a bit, but not really that bad.

Except that it really is that bad.

I could do this in detail, but you can learn everything you need to know by understanding two numbers: $4.6 trillion and 14 million.

Of these, $4.6 trillion is the size of the mystery meat in the budget. Ryan proposes tax cuts that would cost $4.6 trillion over the next decade relative to current policy — that is, relative even to making the Bush tax cuts permanent — but claims that his plan is revenue neutral, because he would make up the revenue loss by closing loopholes. For example, he would … well, actually, he refuses to name a single example of a loophole he wants to close.

So the budget is a fraud. No, it’s not “imperfect”, it’s not a bit shaky on the numbers; it’s completely based on almost $5 trillion dollars of alleged revenue that are pure fabrication.

On the other side, 14 million is the minimum number of people who would lose health insurance due to Medicaid cuts — the Urban Institute, working off the very similar plan Ryan unveiled last year, puts it at between 14 and 27 million people losing Medicaid.

That’s a lot of people — and a lot of suffering. And again, bear in mind that none of this would be done to reduce the deficit — it would be done to make room for those $4.6 trillion in tax cuts, and in particular a tax cut of $240,000 a year to the average member of the one percent..

But Obama is very rude for pointing any of this out.

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Floridatexan wrote:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/ryan-in-two-numbers/



But Obama is very rude for pointing any of this out.

So what you are really saying is, it is more like Oblamercare than not in it's deceptive numbers. OK, got it. OBTW, where is OBAMAS budget? In your partisan opinion NO budget proposal is better than an imperfect one that can be modified with the blessing of the author who has proven willing to work with Dems. Yep, the lovely world of partisan politics.

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was a “serious, legitimate proposal"

This is an interesting statement with "Was" being a keyword.
Paul Ryan's selection will be the death knell for the Romney campaign.

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Dawgback wrote:was a “serious, legitimate proposal"

This is an interesting statement with "Was" being a keyword.
Paul Ryan's selection will be the death knell for the Romney campaign.

One never knows but they have a steep uphill climb that's for sure. Of course the radicals on both sides sure don't want someone in office who can work both sides of the aisle, no they would rather keep the most devisive and partisan president in history in office for another failed term. Sounds legitimate.

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obama did propose a budget... it was just so absurdly out of touch with reality that it got ZERO votes of approval.

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nochain wrote:
Dawgback wrote:was a “serious, legitimate proposal"

This is an interesting statement with "Was" being a keyword.
Paul Ryan's selection will be the death knell for the Romney campaign.

One never knows but they have a steep uphill climb that's for sure. Of course the radicals on both sides sure don't want someone in office who can work both sides of the aisle, no they would rather keep the most devisive and partisan president in history in office for another failed term. Sounds legitimate.

Indeed so, nochain, our Congress must have people that can find the middle ground together so this mess can be corrected.

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nochain wrote:Of course the radicals on both sides sure don't want someone in office who can work both sides of the aisle, no they would rather keep the most devisive and partisan president in history in office for another failed term. Sounds legitimate.

So let's take the Bush tax cuts. Obama has offered the idea of keeping them for the lower levels of income earners, but letting them expire and revert back to the Clinton era levels for the highest income earners.

Is that not an attempt at compromise? How has this idea been met by house republicans?


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Is that not an attempt at compromise? How has this idea been met by house republicans?

Because the house republicans are idiots. But so are the house democrats. They all need to go home.

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nochain wrote:Because the house republicans are idiots. But so are the house democrats. They all need to go home.

Well, Ryan is a member of the republican house, and his tax plan is rrrrreally far away from this compromise that Obama has offered.


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boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:Of course the radicals on both sides sure don't want someone in office who can work both sides of the aisle, no they would rather keep the most devisive and partisan president in history in office for another failed term. Sounds legitimate.

So let's take the Bush tax cuts. Obama has offered the idea of keeping them for the lower levels of income earners, but letting them expire and revert back to the Clinton era levels for the highest income earners.

Is that not an attempt at compromise? How has this idea been met by house republicans?

You are aware that Former President Clinton and others have all said ANY tax increase towards ANY group during these economic times would be a huge mistake...Where is the compromise?...If it's a bad policy then it's a bad policy...Small businesses would be harmed and once again..being hit with [Name] COWH Healthcare will result in...price increases to the consumers...less expanding/hiring...or laying off or firing employees to meet the costs of two tax increases...Understand that you liberals are saying the Healthcare is not a tax it's a penalty...well to business owners the end result and higher payments...and that will harm consumers and the economy...The republicans have OFFERED to extend the tax cuts accross the board on a short term basis which was rejected by the Democrats and COWH....where's their compromise?...

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newswatcher wrote:where's their compromise?...

Go re-read my post. Obama would like to extend them for the lower tax brackets and let them revert back to what they were during the Clinton administration for the top tax brackets.


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boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:Because the house republicans are idiots. But so are the house democrats. They all need to go home.

Well, Ryan is a member of the republican house, and his tax plan is rrrrreally far away from this compromise that Obama has offered.

Where is the Obama tax plan? Please link to the Obama plan....

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NaNook wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:Because the house republicans are idiots. But so are the house democrats. They all need to go home.

Well, Ryan is a member of the republican house, and his tax plan is rrrrreally far away from this compromise that Obama has offered.

Where is the Obama tax plan? Please link to the Obama plan....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/09/us-usa-obama-taxes-idUSBRE86805220120709


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boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:Because the house republicans are idiots. But so are the house democrats. They all need to go home.

Well, Ryan is a member of the republican house, and his tax plan is rrrrreally far away from this compromise that Obama has offered.

The real problem is a total lack of dialogue at this point. A proposed budget is just that - instead of discussing it and trying a little give and take (which in the past unfortunately has always resulted in pork) who knows what the end result budget proposal would look like. Neither side is willing to talk at this point since neither side wants to give an advantage to the other side. Voters might wake up if sequestration falls on their hard heads.

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nochain wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:Because the house republicans are idiots. But so are the house democrats. They all need to go home.

Well, Ryan is a member of the republican house, and his tax plan is rrrrreally far away from this compromise that Obama has offered.

The real problem is a total lack of dialogue at this point. A proposed budget is just that - instead of discussing it and trying a little give and take (which in the past unfortunately has always resulted in pork) who knows what the end result budget proposal would look like. Neither side is willing to talk at this point since neither side wants to give an advantage to the other side. Voters might wake up if sequestration falls on their hard heads.

That was the point....so that would make the democrats the hypocrites that they blame the republicans of being...The Senate is a shining example of the real 'party of no'...Reid has blocked all the legislation sent and refuses for a discussion to take place...So those that want the politicians to at least talk...here's your sign!...While the COWH is campaigning against republicans for doing nothing his senate majority leader is following white house direct and doing nothing...

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boards of FL wrote:
NaNook wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:Because the house republicans are idiots. But so are the house democrats. They all need to go home.

Well, Ryan is a member of the republican house, and his tax plan is rrrrreally far away from this compromise that Obama has offered.

Where is the Obama tax plan? Please link to the Obama plan....

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/07/09/us-usa-obama-taxes-idUSBRE86805220120709

Where is the plan? It's a soak the rich and successful plan. The Obama plan to Offshore companies and citizens, go for it.

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Budgets are political documents which set forth priorities, nothing more. Government is funded through appropriations bills.

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salinsky wrote:Budgets are political documents which set forth priorities, nothing more. Government is funded through appropriations bills.

Then why are the Dems so hot and heavy to discredit Ryans "political document"? There is no road map right now for appropriating money and there has not been for over 3 years. That is an unacceptable state of affairs. But according to the infamous Harry Reid everything is A OK in lala land.

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NaNook wrote:Where is the plan?

I just linked you to it?


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boards of FL wrote:
nochain wrote:
Is that not an attempt at compromise? How has this idea been met by house republicans?

Because the house republicans are idiots. But so are the house democrats. They all need to go home.

So true. You are a font of information today, nochain.

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nochain wrote:
Then why are the Dems so hot and heavy to discredit Ryans "political document"?

Umm, because it sets forth in rather stark terms his priorities. And, his priorities suck.

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salinsky wrote:
nochain wrote:
Then why are the Dems so hot and heavy to discredit Ryans "political document"?

Umm, because it sets forth in rather stark terms his priorities. And, his priorities suck.

Everyone has an opinion. What about Obamas proposal? Why did the Dem Senate crush it? Maybe it wasn't so great either. When the two sides won't even bother to talk then how can anything be improved? The result is what is being witnessed, federal government paralysis. If there were a President in place who knew how to lead perhaps things wouldn't look so bleak.

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nochain wrote:
Everyone has an opinion. What about Obamas proposal? Why did the Dem Senate crush it?

Because they are cowards.

Maybe it wasn't so great either. When the two sides won't even bother to talk then how can anything be improved? The result is what is being witnessed, federal government paralysis. If there were a President in place who knew how to lead perhaps things wouldn't look so bleak.

I don't think so. We now have two parties that are diametrically opposed, and one of those parties has no interest in governing, they are only interested in destroying government. Regardless of who's sitting in the Oval Office, the system is broken and that's why we're having trouble paying the bills on time.

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