Neko

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

2seaoat wrote:There is no debate.  People need to get their flu shots.......period.   It is not a fricking game.  People's lives depend on not getting the swine flu.  It takes up to two weeks after the flu shot to get full protection, but prime flu season is in February.  Please get your flu shot.  T you can start any thread you want focusing on misinformation.  That is your right.

Yes I suppose you will cover any adverse reactions or  failures...like I said let's panic...go to the proper thread I won't be adding to this thread unless it's further prayer and hope.

Promises, promises, promises!

Z, I shared this with EDP.

2seaoat wrote:The current flu shot covers the swine flu.  Those who have had the flu shot have a very high probability of not contracting the same.  My son is sick and is in bad shape at thirty years of age but is riding it out hoping his breathing gets no worse, and my daughter just sent a text that her high school friend's dad is in the hospital in critical condition with H1n1....there were 19 thousand people who died of this in 2009, and a flu shot is critical in stopping a pandemic.   All the anti science and anti intellectual voodoo which passes for science contributes to people not getting their flu shots each year.  The flu is very dangerous and flu shots save people's lives.

Seaoat. I am almost 65 years old and have never ever had a flu shot since they came out. I also have never had the flu either and I cannot remember the last time that I even had a common cold. I realize that there is always a chance, but I am a firm believer in "why fix it if it ain't broke".

Seaoat. I am almost 65 years old and have never ever had a flu shot since they came out. I also have never had the flu either and I cannot remember the last time that I even had a common cold. I realize that there is always a chance, but I am a firm believer in "why fix it if it ain't broke".


I am happy for your good fortune. However the science and the risk remains.

2seaoat wrote:29k deaths, and you still spew misinformation.

Seems to be you that is spreading misinformation and not Teo. From the updated CDC website.

CDC estimates that between about 8,870 and 18,300 2009 H1N1-related deaths occurred between April 2009 and April 10, 2010. The mid-level in this range is about 12,470 2009 H1N1-related deaths.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm


Even at the high end of the CDC estimates of 18,300, that is a far cry from your estimate of 29K.

Now I am not against people getting the flu shot and I will never try to talk anyone out of getting it, nor would I attempt to talk them into getting it. I will say this, it ain't for me, what others do is their business.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247042.php

Try ten fold that number. The flu is deadly. A flu shot improves the probability of survival. Get your flu shot, but I am happy for people who are healthy and have determined they are bullet proof and probabilities do not apply to them. The problem is that when only 40% are getting the flu shot, the probabilities of a pandemic become less as that percentage increases. Please get your flu shot.

Thanks for the update Joani. We all miss her.

2seaoat wrote:http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247042.php

Try ten fold that number.  The flu is deadly.  A flu shot improves the probability of survival.  Get your flu shot, but I am happy for people who are healthy and have determined they are bullet proof and probabilities do not apply to them.  The problem is that when only 40% are getting the flu shot, the probabilities of a pandemic become less as that percentage increases.  Please get your flu shot.

Think I'll go by the CDC's estimates. You are attempting to read inot my pposts more than I am saying. Nowhere will you find that I posted that the H1N1 is not deadly. You will also notice that I have not attempted to persuade anyone either direction. The only person that I have mentioned is myself and I am sticking to that. If I am unlucky and catch the flu and it kills me, then so be it.

Think I'll go by the CDC's estimates


read it and try to understand in your super human status that probabilities do apply to us mere mortals who need flu shots. Please do not contribute to misinformation. People need to get their flu shots. It really is life or death.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

Ghost Rider wrote:

2seaoat wrote:http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/247042.php

Try ten fold that number.  The flu is deadly.  A flu shot improves the probability of survival.  Get your flu shot, but I am happy for people who are healthy and have determined they are bullet proof and probabilities do not apply to them.  The problem is that when only 40% are getting the flu shot, the probabilities of a pandemic become less as that percentage increases.  Please get your flu shot.

Think I'll go by the CDC's estimates. You are attempting to read inot my pposts more than I am saying. Nowhere will you find that I posted that the H1N1 is not deadly. You will also notice that I have not attempted to persuade anyone either direction. The only person that I have mentioned is myself and I am sticking to that. If I am unlucky and catch the flu and it kills me, then so be it.

You've led a highly unusual life, I have to say Ghost. I remember you saying you've never had a car accident or gotten a ticket either. You've been very fortunate.

2seaoat wrote:Think I'll go by the CDC's estimates


read it and try to understand in your super human status that probabilities do apply to us mere mortals who need flu shots.  Please do not contribute to misinformation.  People need to get their flu shots.  It really is life or death.  

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

im actually a super human

You wont meet many

don't get me wrong ill die too some day

but Im actually a alien from another planet

I am from the planet "SEXY"

a galaxy far far away from here.

many feel the pull from my planet, some, they don't even know its there

I have only been given "one" gift to bring here from my planet. It is the gist of "erotic touch"

I am able to do it through the mind and watch out when I do it physically.

Most mortals buy into trickery, of course I don't.   

You've led a highly unusual life, I have to say Ghost. I remember you saying you've never had a car accident or gotten a ticket either. You've been very fortunate.


From that super human status he discourages flu shots.....yep this certainly is not a golf game where a handicap can be given........I could see Tiger woods and Ghost Rider on the first tee.....Tiger:"how many strokes you want Ghost?" Don't need no strokes Tiger.....I have never been beat in a game of golf. The other two guys in the foresome look at each other.....think just a little bit.........I think we are going to get our flu shot, and we will take 24 shots as a handicap......yep....they will probably lose, and heck...probably not get the flu........but Ghost will just rip Tiger a new one......he will quit winning tournaments, and will divorce his wife and get whacked up aside his head with a golf club......all because he had the audacity to offer ghost some better probabilities.

2seaoat wrote:You've led a highly unusual life, I have to say Ghost. I remember you saying you've never had a car accident or gotten a ticket either. You've been very fortunate.


From that super human status he discourages flu shots.....yep this certainly is not a golf game where a handicap can be given........I could see Tiger woods and Ghost Rider on the first tee.....Tiger:"how many strokes you want Ghost?"    Don't need no strokes Tiger.....I have never been beat in a game of golf.   The other two guys in the foresome look at each other.....think just a little bit.........I think we are going to get our flu shot, and we will take 24 shots as a handicap......yep....they will probably lose, and heck...probably not get the flu........but Ghost will just rip Tiger a new one......he will quit winning tournaments, and will divorce his wife and get whacked up aside his head with a golf club......all because he had the audacity to offer ghost some better probabilities.

you might want to have 4 flu shots, just sayin

Dreamsglore wrote:

You've led a highly unusual life, I have to say Ghost. I remember you saying you've never had a car accident or gotten a ticket either. You've been very fortunate.

Dreams, I guess you can say I have led a very fortunate life and yes I may be playing poker with my life. We all must die at some time or another. When it is my turn then so be it as I said earlier.

@Seaoat. Say what you will, I will never promote nor discourage anyone to get or refrain from getting the flu shot, that is their business not mine. I am not a spokesperson for Big Pharma.

I am not a spokesperson for Big Pharma.


Nope with that statement you are a spokesman for superstition and ignorance which gets people killed, but in the meantime.....please give Tiger a golf lesson......you know you have the answer for his swing.

Ghost Rider wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

You've led a highly unusual life, I have to say Ghost. I remember you saying you've never had a car accident or gotten a ticket either. You've been very fortunate.

Dreams, I guess you can say I have led a very fortunate life and yes I may be playing poker with my life. We all must die at some time or another. When it is my turn then so be it as I said earlier.

@Seaoat. Say what you will, I will never promote nor discourage anyone to get or refrain from getting the flu shot, that is their business not mine. I am not a spokesperson for Big Pharma.

  

it wont matter to most, because big pharma keeps on creating these little bugs for us.

but I have and still do work with many intelligent doctors etc who do not get these shots. matter of a fact we all look at each other each year and say, who got it, when someone is sick. we know.

2seaoat wrote:You've led a highly unusual life, I have to say Ghost. I remember you saying you've never had a car accident or gotten a ticket either. You've been very fortunate.


From that super human status he discourages flu shots.....yep this certainly is not a golf game where a handicap can be given........I could see Tiger woods and Ghost Rider on the first tee.....Tiger:"how many strokes you want Ghost?"    Don't need no strokes Tiger.....I have never been beat in a game of golf.   The other two guys in the foresome look at each other.....think just a little bit.........I think we are going to get our flu shot, and we will take 24 shots as a handicap......yep....they will probably lose, and heck...probably not get the flu........but Ghost will just rip Tiger a new one......he will quit winning tournaments, and will divorce his wife and get whacked up aside his head with a golf club......all because he had the audacity to offer ghost some better probabilities.

Seaoat, you are so full of shit and of yourself that it is just pitiful. Show me me where I have discouraged anyone from getting a flu shot. I have neither promoted nor discourage anyone, if only you could read my post and comprehend. I have repeatedly stated that the decision for someone to get a flu shot is theirs and theirs alone. It is none of my business. BTW, your parable is completely stupid. Sounds like it was written by a 1st grader.

2seaoat wrote:I am not a spokesperson for Big Pharma.


Nope with that statement you are a spokesman for superstition and ignorance which gets people killed, but in the meantime.....please give Tiger a golf lesson......you know you have the answer for his swing.

Show me you ignorant bastard where I have discouraged anyone from getting a flu shot. I have spoken in reference to myself and no one else other than to say if people get the shot or not, it is their own personal business, not mine.

BTW, if I get banned for the name calling, then so be it.

This first grader knows now three people who are very sick with H1n1, and in two cases critically ill and you write your bs about big pharma and connect the same with why you do not get flu shots and then have the audacity to state that you take no position. I guess my first grade education got this all figured out, and the meantime many other people I care about are exposed to the dangers of the flu because of arrogance and ignorance......a bad combination. People need to get their flu shots period.......and if a company makes money saving lives then that is what our free market system allows, but distorting what the facts are and using a pharase like big pharm, and then claiming what you have done is neutrality......I cannot wait to the teacher gives me a break for my nap.......but my health insurance paid 100% for the flu shot as do most plans.......get your flu shot, because my first grade comic book says kryptonite is real, and even superman can become ill....get other people ill......and eventually contribute to a pandemic.

2seaoat wrote:This first grader knows now three people who are very sick with H1n1, and in two cases critically ill and you write your bs about big pharma and connect the same with why you do not get flu shots and then have the audacity to state that you take no position.   I guess my first grade education got this all figured out, and the meantime many other people I care about are exposed to the dangers of the flu because of arrogance and ignorance......a bad combination.  People need to get their flu shots period.......and if a company makes money saving lives then that is what our free market system allows, but distorting what the facts are and using a pharase like big pharm, and then claiming what you have done is neutrality......I cannot wait to the teacher gives me a break for my nap.......but my health insurance paid 100% for the flu shot as do most plans.......get your flu shot, because my first grade comic book says kryptonite is real, and even superman can become ill....get other people ill......and eventually contribute to a pandemic.

Stop preaching to the choir, I have never had a flu shot and never will, so stop wasting your O². Preach to those that you can sway because it ain't gonna happen with me.

Stop preaching to the choir

Sorry Ghost.....you are not in the Choir. For that matter, you are not even in the building. Thankfully others understand the importance of science and effective vaccines and they can sing.

2seaoat wrote:Stop preaching to the choir

Sorry Ghost.....you are not in the Choir.   For that matter, you are not even in the building.  Thankfully others understand the importance of science and effective vaccines and they can sing.

Take this debate to the thread dedicated to the Flu shot instead of one dedicated to Neko's illness.

Take this debate to the thread dedicated to the Flu shot instead of one dedicated to Neko's illness.

There is no debate, and you and T are welcome to go argue the evils of science and the harm of big pharm on another thread and think that you are helping the people getting seriously ill from the flu. The flu spreads from person to person who have not been vaccinated. You can debate until your cape and slippers are caught in the rising level of bs......there is no debate on this thread, just my concern that more people are getting ill as we speak.

Joani, do you know how Neko is doing? I just got home and back online.

Same here, I just got online and came here first for an update on Neko.

I have another acquaintance who has been through the same ordeal. It has been 2 steps forward and 1 step back for her.