An accompanying thread to PB's thread about the high cost of health care. THIS is the REAL PROBLEM. And neither democrats or republicans are doing a goddamn thing about it.

Any time.  I'm not choosy. Just give me 20 minutes notice to get the Cialis in me.

Bob wrote:Any time.  I'm not choosy.  Just give me 20 minutes notice to get the Cialis in me.

hardy har!

let me put this down to where you can comprehend what I said.

yall hate those rich fucking ceos, fine. you want the most precious thing on the planet given to you free, whatever, but you will hurt millions of hard working people such as myself before you will kill off even one of those you hate at the top. have fun.

Chrissy wrote: you want the most precious thing on the planet given to you free

Not really.  
I don't want free health care.  
But I also don't want to pay a hospital $15 for a blood pressure pill which cost the hospital 3 cents.

Chrissy wrote: you will hurt millions of hard working people such as myself before you will kill off even one of those you hate at the top.

No all I'll do is hand over $20,000. I have no choice. I have no power to do anything to you or the head honcho. If I kill either one of you they'll put me in prison. If I don't pay it they'll ruin my credit and sue me and they are the ones who can afford the lawyers, not me.

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote: you will hurt millions of hard working people such as myself before you will kill off even one of those you hate at the top.

No all I'll do is hand over $20,000.  I have no choice.  I have no power to do anything to you or the head honcho.  If I kill either one of you they'll put me in prison.  If I don't pay it they'll ruin my credit and sue me and they are the ones who can afford the lawyers, not me.

its ok, I hand over $20,000 a year in taxes, I have no choice. and on top of it I pay a fair amount for my own health ins, with co pays etc et al.

but Im sure you want the tax payers to pick up the whole tab because you were too cheap to purchase good insurance. You also don't care very much for the people who are providing you with care. maybe at some point those people will be so tired they really don't give a shit either. tit for tat.

Chrissy wrote:
Im sure you want the tax payers to pick up the whole tab

Actually I think you're confusing me with Sacred Heart Hospital. That's the thing which likes being tax exempt.

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote:
Im sure you want the tax payers to pick up the whole tab

Actually I think you're confusing me with Sacred Heart Hospital.  That's the thing which likes being tax exempt.

no, im not confusing you with anyone or anything. its very clear where you stand.

see, even in your short little reply here the message is clear. YOU HATE the ceo for what he earns, but do not even think about the thousands of middle wage workers under that ceo.

you don't think about the millions and millions of $$$ that have to be spent every year on capital to purchase those new MRI's, beds, EMR systems, IV's monitors, the capitol list goes on and on, then theres operations cost, salaries, benefits, daily supplies, cost of maintaining regulations etc.

btw... sacred heart is part of ascension health, they had
Ascension’s hospital operations turned a profit of 3.7 percent in its most recently reported financial year, up from 2.7 percent the year before. That’s good but not great for a hospital system.
http://www.ibj.com/the-dose-2013-07-17-get-ready-to-see-for-profit-religious-hospitals/PARAMS/post/42495

now when I was there if Baptist had a 3% profit margin goal.

They need those profit margins to pay for the stuff I mentioned above and that IS HOW IT WORKS.

so a 3-4 % profit margin to keep all those people employed and all patients with the care they need, including ER's and the highest quality of healthcare available such as access to some of the most developed medical equipment made.

and you have a problem with that. sorry. tell it to someone else, im not sympathetic. Just as you are not sympathetic to me being killed off so you and yours can prove some point that wont even work.  

Chrissy wrote:

btw... sacred heart is part of ascension health, they had
Ascension’s hospital operations turned a profit of 3.7 percent in its most recently reported financial year, up from 2.7 percent the year before. That’s good but not great for a hospital system.
http://www.ibj.com/the-dose-2013-07-17-get-ready-to-see-for-profit-religious-hospitals/PARAMS/post/42495

now when I was there if Baptist had a 3% profit margin goal.

They need those profit margins to pay for the stuff I mentioned above and that IS HOW IT WORKS.

so a 3-4 % profit margin to keep all those people employed and all patients with the care they need, including ER's and the highest quality of healthcare available such as access to some of the most developed medical equipment made.

and you have a problem with that. sorry. tell it to someone else, im not sympathetic. Just as you are not sympathetic to me being killed off so you and yours can prove some point that wont even work.  

"Ascension Health is a non-profit company that operates a network of hospitals and related health facilities in the United States"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Health

3.7% is not a bad profit for a non-profit company.  lol

Let's compare that to companies which don't claim to be non-profit and ARE NOT tax-exempt...

"Experts state that most grocery stores have a profit margin of between one and three percent of the total sales."

http://www.ask.com/question/grocery-store-profit-margin

Chrissy wrote: access to some of the most developed medical equipment made.

Would that be like that scanner they used on me which was so old that it had a black and white picture tube monitor?  The one the technician kept bitching about being so old?   The same one which ended up giving me a $3700 bill? lol

And for that $3700,  a technician put some die in my arm and then looked at the picture on the black and white tube monitor, printed the picture,  and then passed that picture along to the surgeon.  That's all, nothing else.  Nothing fancy.  Nothing state of the art.  Nothing highly "developed".

Chrissy wrote:you are not sympathetic to me being killed off.

Thank god there's at least one thing you and I can agree on. lol

omigod

https://www.google.com/search?q=ascension+health+hospital+ceo+salaries&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote: access to some of the most developed medical equipment made.

Would that be like that scanner they used on me which was so old that it had a black and white picture tube monitor?  The one the technician kept bitching about being so old?   The same one which ended up giving me a $3700 bill? lol

And for that $3700,  a technician put some die in my arm and then looked at the picture on the black and white tube monitor, printed the picture,  and then passed that picture along to the surgeon.  That's all, nothing else.  Nothing fancy.  Nothing state of the art.  Nothing highly "developed".

When I was about eight-years-old, I developed this recurring swelling and pain in the lymph nodes behind my ear.

The ENT ordered a test where they ran dye down my nose or throat (I don't really remember which), and then x-rayed or scanned that area.

It was really unpleasant is all I remember.

The ENT that ordered the test was ancient, so old he actually wore one of those head mirror thingies.

Anyhoo, when the pics came back, he told my parents that it was definitely a tumor that would require them to slice my whole face open to remove, and which would leave me moderately to severely disfigured in the process.

Thank gawd my parents had the presence of mind to ask for a second opinion.

The old doc was annoyed, but agreed to call in a young ENT who had an office in the same medical complex.

The young guy took one look at the pics, and said, "Nope, that's just inflammation from drainage prolly caused by allergies".

My parents went with opinion #2, I was put on allergy shots, and I never had another problem with it.

That's my story about the greatest health care system in the world.

lol

I still believe that one of the factors that create high hospital bills is the Unbelievable salaries that the executive are getting. Even here in Podunk City the CEO"s of Sacred and Baptist are paying themselves $18,000 dollars a WEEK! That is obscene.

Human greed has no limits.

I expect any day to open the newspaper and see where a former patient of the husband of one goes berserk in a hospital somewhere and shoots up the executive wing to Hell and gone.

Yella wrote:I still believe that one of the factors that create high hospital bills is the Unbelievable salaries that the executive are getting. Even here in Podunk City the CEO"s of Sacred and Baptist are paying themselves $18,000 dollars a WEEK! That is obscene.

Human greed has no limits.

I expect any day to open the newspaper and see where a former patient of the husband of one goes berserk in a hospital somewhere and shoots up the executive wing to Hell and gone.

theres only ONE CEO. do you seriously think even a million dollars is that much? come on

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote:you are not sympathetic to me being killed off.

Thank god there's at least one thing you and I can agree on.  lol

 

Chrissy wrote:

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote:
Im sure you want the tax payers to pick up the whole tab

Actually I think you're confusing me with Sacred Heart Hospital.  That's the thing which likes being tax exempt.

no, im not confusing you with anyone or anything. its very clear where you stand.

see, even in your short little reply here the message is clear. YOU HATE the ceo for what he earns, but do not even think about the thousands of middle wage workers under that ceo.

you don't think about the millions and millions of $$$ that have to be spent every year on capital to purchase those new MRI's, beds, EMR systems, IV's monitors, the capitol list goes on and on, then theres operations cost, salaries, benefits, daily supplies, cost of maintaining regulations etc.

btw... sacred heart is part of ascension health, they had
Ascension’s hospital operations turned a profit of 3.7 percent in its most recently reported financial year, up from 2.7 percent the year before. That’s good but not great for a hospital system.
http://www.ibj.com/the-dose-2013-07-17-get-ready-to-see-for-profit-religious-hospitals/PARAMS/post/42495

now when I was there if Baptist had a 3% profit margin goal.

They need those profit margins to pay for the stuff I mentioned above and that IS HOW IT WORKS.

so a 3-4 % profit margin to keep all those people employed and all patients with the care they need, including ER's and the highest quality of healthcare available such as access to some of the most developed medical equipment made.

and you have a problem with that. sorry. tell it to someone else, im not sympathetic. Just as you are not sympathetic to me being killed off so you and yours can prove some point that wont even work.  

Chrissy, profit is profit after everything is paid for you mentioned. Also not only are there CEO's making that kind of money at SH and Baptist, there are also COO's CFO's and President's. No need for that layer of management.

ppaca wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote:
Im sure you want the tax payers to pick up the whole tab

Actually I think you're confusing me with Sacred Heart Hospital.  That's the thing which likes being tax exempt.

no, im not confusing you with anyone or anything. its very clear where you stand.

see, even in your short little reply here the message is clear. YOU HATE the ceo for what he earns, but do not even think about the thousands of middle wage workers under that ceo.

you don't think about the millions and millions of $$$ that have to be spent every year on capital to purchase those new MRI's, beds, EMR systems, IV's monitors, the capitol list goes on and on, then theres operations cost, salaries, benefits, daily supplies, cost of maintaining regulations etc.

btw... sacred heart is part of ascension health, they had
Ascension’s hospital operations turned a profit of 3.7 percent in its most recently reported financial year, up from 2.7 percent the year before. That’s good but not great for a hospital system.
http://www.ibj.com/the-dose-2013-07-17-get-ready-to-see-for-profit-religious-hospitals/PARAMS/post/42495

now when I was there if Baptist had a 3% profit margin goal.

They need those profit margins to pay for the stuff I mentioned above and that IS HOW IT WORKS.

so a 3-4 % profit margin to keep all those people employed and all patients with the care they need, including ER's and the highest quality of healthcare available such as access to some of the most developed medical equipment made.

and you have a problem with that. sorry. tell it to someone else, im not sympathetic. Just as you are not sympathetic to me being killed off so you and yours can prove some point that wont even work.  

Chrissy, profit is profit after everything is paid for you mentioned. Also not only are there CEO's making that kind of money at SH and Baptist, there are also COO's CFO's and President's. No need for that layer of management.

Look here little insurance boy. You better shut your fucking mouth because they hate you more than they do me and the rest of my slimly fucking healthcare professional ilk.

Now you want to DICTATE what upper management should make?

I know they do

who should they rip apart first? YOU the insurance industry or me the working class healthcare professional?

You better know who your allies are because Im done playing soft ball.

I know what this picture plays out to be and YOU ARE GOING DOWN right after my group falls over dead. You got it? You better because they are banking on it.

Now you got a choice here. suck up to the mothers fuckers trying to kill you off in hopes they eat you last, or stand up for the truth of which little I think you know. because YOU DO NOT work in the healthcare business, YOU work in the INSURANCE business.

I simply do not have the patience anymore to laugh at stupidity. Nothing against you personally. But you have a real problem. reminds me of a rat in a wolves mouth crying out that the rabbit taste better.

Yella wrote:I still believe that one of the factors that create high hospital bills is the Unbelievable salaries that the executive are getting. Even here in Podunk City the CEO"s of Sacred and Baptist are paying themselves $18,000 dollars a WEEK! That is obscene.

Human greed has no limits.

I expect any day to open the newspaper and see where a former patient of the husband of one goes berserk in a hospital somewhere and shoots up the executive wing to Hell and gone.

If you had those skills, you to could earn that much money per week.  You made different choices.

Surprised but happy to see that you are now opposed to any increases in the Minimum Wage too!  Good for you!

Chrissy wrote:

ppaca wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote:
Im sure you want the tax payers to pick up the whole tab

Actually I think you're confusing me with Sacred Heart Hospital.  That's the thing which likes being tax exempt.

no, im not confusing you with anyone or anything. its very clear where you stand.

see, even in your short little reply here the message is clear. YOU HATE the ceo for what he earns, but do not even think about the thousands of middle wage workers under that ceo.

you don't think about the millions and millions of $$$ that have to be spent every year on capital to purchase those new MRI's, beds, EMR systems, IV's monitors, the capitol list goes on and on, then theres operations cost, salaries, benefits, daily supplies, cost of maintaining regulations etc.

btw... sacred heart is part of ascension health, they had
Ascension’s hospital operations turned a profit of 3.7 percent in its most recently reported financial year, up from 2.7 percent the year before. That’s good but not great for a hospital system.
http://www.ibj.com/the-dose-2013-07-17-get-ready-to-see-for-profit-religious-hospitals/PARAMS/post/42495

now when I was there if Baptist had a 3% profit margin goal.

They need those profit margins to pay for the stuff I mentioned above and that IS HOW IT WORKS.

so a 3-4 % profit margin to keep all those people employed and all patients with the care they need, including ER's and the highest quality of healthcare available such as access to some of the most developed medical equipment made.

and you have a problem with that. sorry. tell it to someone else, im not sympathetic. Just as you are not sympathetic to me being killed off so you and yours can prove some point that wont even work.  

Chrissy, profit is profit after everything is paid for you mentioned. Also not only are there CEO's making that kind of money at SH and Baptist, there are also COO's CFO's and President's. No need for that layer of management.

Look here little insurance boy. You better shut your fucking mouth because they hate you more than they do me and the rest of my slimly fucking healthcare professional ilk.

Now you want to DICTATE what upper management should make?

I know they do

who should they rip apart first? YOU the insurance industry or me the working class healthcare professional?

You better know who your allies are because Im done playing soft ball.

I know what this picture plays out to be and YOU ARE GOING DOWN right after my group falls over dead. You got it? You better because they are banking on it.

Now you got a choice here. suck up to the mothers fuckers trying to kill you off in hopes they eat you last, or stand up for the truth of which little I think you know. because YOU DO NOT work in the healthcare business, YOU work in the INSURANCE business.

I simply do not have the patience anymore to laugh at stupidity. Nothing against you personally. But you have a real problem. reminds me of a rat in a wolves mouth crying out that the rabbit taste better.

I just love your rabid posts, you are such a polite and delightful person. I guess since you're against legalization of weed you don't have the same feeling's about the gallon of alcohol you just consumed or the legal pills you must be taking to be so delightful. BTW I'm all in and writing apps on the marketplace like crazy.

Markle wrote:

Yella wrote:I still believe that one of the factors that create high hospital bills is the Unbelievable salaries that the executive are getting. Even here in Podunk City the CEO"s of Sacred and Baptist are paying themselves $18,000 dollars a WEEK! That is obscene.

Human greed has no limits.

I expect any day to open the newspaper and see where a former patient of the husband of one goes berserk in a hospital somewhere and shoots up the executive wing to Hell and gone.

If you had those skills, you to could earn that much money per week.  You made different choices.

Surprised but happy to see that you are now opposed to any increases in the Minimum Wage too!  Good for you!

What skills would that be? Drinking buddy's with the right people are not skills.

ppaca wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

ppaca wrote:

Chrissy wrote:

Bob wrote:

Chrissy wrote:
Im sure you want the tax payers to pick up the whole tab

Actually I think you're confusing me with Sacred Heart Hospital.  That's the thing which likes being tax exempt.

no, im not confusing you with anyone or anything. its very clear where you stand.

see, even in your short little reply here the message is clear. YOU HATE the ceo for what he earns, but do not even think about the thousands of middle wage workers under that ceo.

you don't think about the millions and millions of $$$ that have to be spent every year on capital to purchase those new MRI's, beds, EMR systems, IV's monitors, the capitol list goes on and on, then theres operations cost, salaries, benefits, daily supplies, cost of maintaining regulations etc.

btw... sacred heart is part of ascension health, they had
Ascension’s hospital operations turned a profit of 3.7 percent in its most recently reported financial year, up from 2.7 percent the year before. That’s good but not great for a hospital system.
http://www.ibj.com/the-dose-2013-07-17-get-ready-to-see-for-profit-religious-hospitals/PARAMS/post/42495

now when I was there if Baptist had a 3% profit margin goal.

They need those profit margins to pay for the stuff I mentioned above and that IS HOW IT WORKS.

so a 3-4 % profit margin to keep all those people employed and all patients with the care they need, including ER's and the highest quality of healthcare available such as access to some of the most developed medical equipment made.

and you have a problem with that. sorry. tell it to someone else, im not sympathetic. Just as you are not sympathetic to me being killed off so you and yours can prove some point that wont even work.  

Chrissy, profit is profit after everything is paid for you mentioned. Also not only are there CEO's making that kind of money at SH and Baptist, there are also COO's CFO's and President's. No need for that layer of management.

Look here little insurance boy. You better shut your fucking mouth because they hate you more than they do me and the rest of my slimly fucking healthcare professional ilk.

Now you want to DICTATE what upper management should make?

I know they do

who should they rip apart first? YOU the insurance industry or me the working class healthcare professional?

You better know who your allies are because Im done playing soft ball.

I know what this picture plays out to be and YOU ARE GOING DOWN right after my group falls over dead. You got it? You better because they are banking on it.

Now you got a choice here. suck up to the mothers fuckers trying to kill you off in hopes they eat you last, or stand up for the truth of which little I think you know. because YOU DO NOT work in the healthcare business, YOU work in the INSURANCE business.

I simply do not have the patience anymore to laugh at stupidity. Nothing against you personally. But you have a real problem. reminds me of a rat in a wolves mouth crying out that the rabbit taste better.

I just love your rabid posts, you are such a polite and delightful person. I guess since you're against legalization of weed you don't have the same feeling's about the gallon of alcohol you just consumed or the legal pills you must be taking to be so delightful. BTW I'm all in and writing apps on the marketplace like crazy.

I wrote that sober. Im very passionate about what I do for a living. you however are apparently just a fly by nighter and I can understand, your just a insurance salesperson after all. I have saved lives and made sacrifices.

and BTW

Im am VERY AGAINST PILLS. you really should pay attention to the posters here. we are a small group. most know this. pain pills kill....

I just told it like it is. I don't like to dress it up. I have my outside life time to do that.

Markle wrote:

Yella wrote:I still believe that one of the factors that create high hospital bills is the Unbelievable salaries that the executive are getting. Even here in Podunk City the CEO"s of Sacred and Baptist are paying themselves $18,000 dollars a WEEK! That is obscene.

Human greed has no limits.

I expect any day to open the newspaper and see where a former patient of the husband of one goes berserk in a hospital somewhere and shoots up the executive wing to Hell and gone.

If you had those skills, you to could earn that much money per week.  You made different choices.

Surprised but happy to see that you are now opposed to any increases in the Minimum Wage too!  Good for you!

That's right. Give the politicians at the top of that corporate bullshit all the money they want, and take away as much as you can from the poor bastards working their asses off for the minimum wage.

And corporations are controlled by corporate politics and politicians same as the goddamn government you hate, Chrissy. How in hell could you work inside the corporate structure all this time and be so naive about that.

Markle wrote:
If you had those skills, you to could earn that much money per week.  You made different choices.

Who the hell wrote this shit.  I thought it was Chrissy but it looks like it's you.  I can't tell the two of you apart when it comes to this.

You don't have any idea what you're talking about. Yella ran a major assembly line in a manufacturing plant.  He actually did work in a corporation,  not politics.
He did the same job my Dad did at Monsanto.  And those sorry no-good politicians in charge of the corporation fucked over my Dad and all the others who had done the work to make them rich.

Bob wrote:from that ABC page

"A three-night stay at a hospital can cost $40K but what are you really paying for"

That sounds like a bargain to me.  That "non-profit" hospital charged $29,000 for my lousy biopsy and I was an outpatient.   If I'd stayed in that hellhole for three days for gall bladder surgery the bill woulda probably been over $100,000.  lol

All that is as relevant as saying you paid $40,000 for a car, or $29,000 for a car of $100,000 for a car.

As they say, the devil is in the details.  Any one of those could be a dirt cheap steal, a fair price or you got robbed.

Plus the FACT that we don't even know if anything you posted has one iota of truth.

Bob wrote:

Markle wrote:

Yella wrote:I still believe that one of the factors that create high hospital bills is the Unbelievable salaries that the executive are getting. Even here in Podunk City the CEO"s of Sacred and Baptist are paying themselves $18,000 dollars a WEEK! That is obscene.

Human greed has no limits.

I expect any day to open the newspaper and see where a former patient of the husband of one goes berserk in a hospital somewhere and shoots up the executive wing to Hell and gone.

If you had those skills, you to could earn that much money per week.  You made different choices.

Surprised but happy to see that you are now opposed to any increases in the Minimum Wage too!  Good for you!

That's right.  Give the politicians at the top of that corporate bullshit all the money they want,  and take away as much as you can from the poor bastards working their asses off for the minimum wage.

And corporations are controlled by corporate politics and politicians same as the goddamn government you hate,  Chrissy.  How in hell could you work inside the corporate structure all this time and be so naive about that.

Who is the typical person working for minimum wage?

What is the typical income of a household where one worker earns minimum wage.

What effect does an increase in minimum wage have on the pay scale of all those workers earning more than minimum wage?

Which President signed the legislation that led to the explosion in pay packages to executives?

If you can't answer those off the top of your head, you really don't know what the heck you're talking about, do you?

Nothing surprising.