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Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:04 pm Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:05 pmonce again, he was on an ADULT site and solicited nobody. Hey, i don't write the statutes, but I damn sure know them and about every bit of relevant case law. When these operations are about money vs. catching true predators, then that is a HUGE problem and it should be for most people, but People are just not informed. I have no hard feelings that Mr. Ichi doesn't see things the way they are or anybody for that matter. All i do is present facts and data which are things that they do not provide. All you get is a story that they just caught 25 pedophiles. And that is all you ever hear. The story then just disappears, am i right? I know i am.Nekochan wrote:Right, blame it on the minor for being in the wrong sex room.
Minors shouldn't be doing a lot of things and there is a reason why they aren't usually legally treated as adults. Because they are kids. This guy was 23, an adult.
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:07 pm
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:10 pmlol, social networking is not illegal. There was never any crime until they created it. Placement of suggestive ads as they do, not only create the opportunity, but the idea as well. You cannot target every single male species just to see who will take the bait. Come on now, there is this thing called Due Process. lmao Although sometimes I do forget we are in the bible beltPkrBum wrote:I had plenty of too young girls throw themselves at me in hs and even into college... wrong is wrong.
Hell... I turned down a beautiful lady in her early thirties the other day. She still wanted children... it would be wrong imo.
I didn't need law enforcement to tell me that.
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:13 pmOh I understand, and there are some that are caught that probably need to be. Those are the ones to to prosecute, not those who just make a poor decision by falling in their trap. Like i said, its a real simple formula ARREST = $$$$$$. Incentivizing crime is illegalSal wrote:Your problem is normal people have zero sympathy for pervs.
That's just the way it is.
Sorry 'bout yer luck.
Not.
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:16 pmSal wrote:Your problem is normal people have zero sympathy for pervs.
That's just the way it is.
Sorry 'bout yer luck.
Not.
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Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:24 pmarrests = $$$$$ There are rules that LEO's are to follow, and they are breaking every single one of them. These operations do nothing to catch true predators. I sound like a broken record, but I guess there will always be those who more conservative than libertarian. Read the entire story on page 1 i wroteJoanimaroni wrote:If the girl is on an adult sight, sends a fully developed boob picture, reports her age under 17, and the dumbass bites....busted
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:24 pmI won't defend entrapment... and you won't find a more strident defender of liberty than me here. But fishing isn't catching. I don't like the idea of govt setting traps... but in nearly all of these cases a clear line was crossed. We now know the govt gathers massive amounts of data... it should be simple enough to determine predispositions or simple misunderstandings. Wouldn't you agree?talknstang wrote:lol, social networking is not illegal. There was never any crime until they created it. Placement of suggestive ads as they do, not only create the opportunity, but the idea as well. You cannot target every single male species just to see who will take the bait. Come on now, there is this thing called Due Process. lmao Although sometimes I do forget we are in the bible beltPkrBum wrote:I had plenty of too young girls throw themselves at me in hs and even into college... wrong is wrong.
Hell... I turned down a beautiful lady in her early thirties the other day. She still wanted children... it would be wrong imo.
I didn't need law enforcement to tell me that.
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:28 pm
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:30 pm
It has nothing to do with conservatives, liberals or libertarians. It has to do with an adult male meeting with someone he thought was 14 that he met on a sex chat site.talknstang wrote:arrests = $$$$$ There are rules that LEO's are to follow, and they are breaking every single one of them. These operations do nothing to catch true predators. I sound like a broken record, but I guess there will always be those who more conservative than libertarian. Read the entire story on page 1 i wroteJoanimaroni wrote:If the girl is on an adult sight, sends a fully developed boob picture, reports her age under 17, and the dumbass bites....busted
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:35 pmyes, the government is overreaching without a doubt...they know what they are doing with these operations, but Florida has taken it to a different level. All that is explained in the articlePkrBum wrote:I won't defend entrapment... and you won't find a more strident defender of liberty than me here. But fishing isn't catching. I don't like the idea of govt setting traps... but in nearly all of these cases a clear line was crossed. We now know the govt gathers massive amounts of data... it should be simple enough to determine predispositions or simple misunderstandings. Wouldn't you agree?talknstang wrote:lol, social networking is not illegal. There was never any crime until they created it. Placement of suggestive ads as they do, not only create the opportunity, but the idea as well. You cannot target every single male species just to see who will take the bait. Come on now, there is this thing called Due Process. lmao Although sometimes I do forget we are in the bible beltPkrBum wrote:I had plenty of too young girls throw themselves at me in hs and even into college... wrong is wrong.
Hell... I turned down a beautiful lady in her early thirties the other day. She still wanted children... it would be wrong imo.
I didn't need law enforcement to tell me that.
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:37 pmI'll try...TEOTWAWKI wrote:Could you all define your terms ?
What constitutes a perv ?
What age is too young for a 19 yo man
What is entrapment ?
If I drop my wallet with $3k in it and you don't return it can I have you arrested for grand theft ?
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:39 pmit has absolutely everything to do with them. once again, you need to read the entire article which it appears you havn't done. When a former prosecutor involved with these operation tells me that they were not even aware of the federal code that created the rules they must follow and then states they should focus on the quality of the investigation instead of the quantity.....well i rest my case.Nekochan wrote:It has nothing to do with conservatives, liberals or libertarians. It has to do with an adult male meeting with someone he thought was 14 that he met on a sex chat site.talknstang wrote:arrests = $$$$$ There are rules that LEO's are to follow, and they are breaking every single one of them. These operations do nothing to catch true predators. I sound like a broken record, but I guess there will always be those who more conservative than libertarian. Read the entire story on page 1 i wroteJoanimaroni wrote:If the girl is on an adult sight, sends a fully developed boob picture, reports her age under 17, and the dumbass bites....busted
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:41 pm14 most certainly is too young.TEOTWAWKI wrote:Could you all define your terms ?
What constitutes a perv ?
What age is too young for a 19 yo man
What is entrapment ?
If I drop my wallet with $3k in it and you don't return it can I have you arrested for grand theft ?
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 9:43 pmWhat I mean is that on this thread, our opinions are not divided by political ideology on this issue.talknstang wrote:it has absolutely everything to do with them. once again, you need to read the entire article which it appears you havn't done. When a former prosecutor involved with these operation tells me that they were not even aware of the federal code that created the rules they must follow and then states they should focus on the quality of the investigation instead of the quantity.....well i rest my case.Nekochan wrote:It has nothing to do with conservatives, liberals or libertarians. It has to do with an adult male meeting with someone he thought was 14 that he met on a sex chat site.talknstang wrote:arrests = $$$$$ There are rules that LEO's are to follow, and they are breaking every single one of them. These operations do nothing to catch true predators. I sound like a broken record, but I guess there will always be those who more conservative than libertarian. Read the entire story on page 1 i wroteJoanimaroni wrote:If the girl is on an adult sight, sends a fully developed boob picture, reports her age under 17, and the dumbass bites....busted
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 10:12 pmi gotcha, lol.....its a tough subject for many for obvious reasons. The good thing is that the courts are starting to recognize it finally and many people are questioning their tactics. I am just the only one who has been exonerated by an appellate court, but there are more to follow soon enough. The wheels of justice turn slow no doubt. People can judge me, and I can handle it, but the only judges that count for now are those who applied the rules and law appropriately. What is unfortunate is that there are others with almost exact circumstances that are in prison right now and that is bothersome. I don't know, i don't have all the answers...all i can do is try to make a difference.Nekochan wrote:What I mean is that on this thread, our opinions are not divided by political ideology on this issue.talknstang wrote:it has absolutely everything to do with them. once again, you need to read the entire article which it appears you havn't done. When a former prosecutor involved with these operation tells me that they were not even aware of the federal code that created the rules they must follow and then states they should focus on the quality of the investigation instead of the quantity.....well i rest my case.Nekochan wrote:It has nothing to do with conservatives, liberals or libertarians. It has to do with an adult male meeting with someone he thought was 14 that he met on a sex chat site.talknstang wrote:arrests = $$$$$ There are rules that LEO's are to follow, and they are breaking every single one of them. These operations do nothing to catch true predators. I sound like a broken record, but I guess there will always be those who more conservative than libertarian. Read the entire story on page 1 i wroteJoanimaroni wrote:If the girl is on an adult sight, sends a fully developed boob picture, reports her age under 17, and the dumbass bites....busted
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 10:18 pmAnd you need a damn good attorney. Stupidy is expensive.talknstang wrote:i gotcha, lol.....its a tough subject for many for obvious reasons. The good thing is that the courts are starting to recognize it finally and many people are questioning their tactics. I am just the only one who has been exonerated by an appellate court, but there are more to follow soon enough. The wheels of justice turn slow no doubt. People can judge me, and I can handle it, but the only judges that count for now are those who applied the rules and law appropriately. What is unfortunate is that there are others with almost exact circumstances that are in prison right now and that is bothersome. I don't know, i don't have all the answers...all i can do is try to make a difference.Nekochan wrote:What I mean is that on this thread, our opinions are not divided by political ideology on this issue.talknstang wrote:it has absolutely everything to do with them. once again, you need to read the entire article which it appears you havn't done. When a former prosecutor involved with these operation tells me that they were not even aware of the federal code that created the rules they must follow and then states they should focus on the quality of the investigation instead of the quantity.....well i rest my case.Nekochan wrote:It has nothing to do with conservatives, liberals or libertarians. It has to do with an adult male meeting with someone he thought was 14 that he met on a sex chat site.talknstang wrote:arrests = $$$$$ There are rules that LEO's are to follow, and they are breaking every single one of them. These operations do nothing to catch true predators. I sound like a broken record, but I guess there will always be those who more conservative than libertarian. Read the entire story on page 1 i wroteJoanimaroni wrote:If the girl is on an adult sight, sends a fully developed boob picture, reports her age under 17, and the dumbass bites....busted
Re: Stings Gone Wild 11/9/2013, 10:23 pmi've seen many successful cases use public defenders. You just have to be on top of your game and know the law though. It cost a lot of damn money even without a hired attorney and then someJoanimaroni wrote:And you need a damn good attorney. Stupidy is expensive.talknstang wrote:i gotcha, lol.....its a tough subject for many for obvious reasons. The good thing is that the courts are starting to recognize it finally and many people are questioning their tactics. I am just the only one who has been exonerated by an appellate court, but there are more to follow soon enough. The wheels of justice turn slow no doubt. People can judge me, and I can handle it, but the only judges that count for now are those who applied the rules and law appropriately. What is unfortunate is that there are others with almost exact circumstances that are in prison right now and that is bothersome. I don't know, i don't have all the answers...all i can do is try to make a difference.Nekochan wrote:What I mean is that on this thread, our opinions are not divided by political ideology on this issue.talknstang wrote:it has absolutely everything to do with them. once again, you need to read the entire article which it appears you havn't done. When a former prosecutor involved with these operation tells me that they were not even aware of the federal code that created the rules they must follow and then states they should focus on the quality of the investigation instead of the quantity.....well i rest my case.Nekochan wrote:It has nothing to do with conservatives, liberals or libertarians. It has to do with an adult male meeting with someone he thought was 14 that he met on a sex chat site.talknstang wrote:arrests = $$$$$ There are rules that LEO's are to follow, and they are breaking every single one of them. These operations do nothing to catch true predators. I sound like a broken record, but I guess there will always be those who more conservative than libertarian. Read the entire story on page 1 i wroteJoanimaroni wrote:If the girl is on an adult sight, sends a fully developed boob picture, reports her age under 17, and the dumbass bites....busted
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