Chemo's face....

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Bob wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Most people are afraid of dying... no matter what they say.

I'm scared shitless of it.  But it's not the dying part.  I have no problem with the dying if it's in my sleep.  It's the possibility of all the suffering and loss of quality of life leading up to the dying that scares me.
That's why it pisses me off that Dr. Kevorkian was shouted down and put in jail just for being a humanitarian.

I think Jack Kevorkian was a forward thinker.

If you've studied progressivism at all... I don't think you'll have long to wait.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Teo has his reasons not to trust modern medicine.  I don't agree with him on this (or a lot of things!) but I don't think he's sick.

I will defend Teo like I have defended others on this forum. He's a good guy!

He's not right on everything, but who generally is? We forget that we post opinions here, backed by other information.

I think the majority of posters like Teto, I know I do.

Mr Ichi wrote:This a discussion forum, not a popularity contest.  No limits and almost no rules.  This is the real deal,, Remember how every one used to bitch on the PNJ where you could not even think about using the word, Bitch, shit or whatever. We play hard.  No need to panic LOL  Sometimes you folks really get to me, but hey, thats the game.

Freedom to express your thoughts. 

2seaoat wrote:talk about intelect LOL.. you dont refer to cancer with the terms, such as virulent and strains, that terminology is for bacterias and viruses. Rolling Eyes

It is exactly the terminology used when describing my endocrine cancer.  The exact words my doctor used when describing my atypical tumors and the different type of tumors and spread of endocrine cancer.    

Ultimately cancer patients must get the best science and make choices.   Nobody in their right mind wants to be exposed to Chemo.  To suggest however that Chemo is killing people assumes that the science of Chemo is quackery and that the scientific method and probabilities are thrown out the window.   These type of sick and perverted misuse of science are exactly what Mr. Markle described......sick, because if one person is adversely impacted by superstition and innuendo that suggests that the chemo will kill the patient when the medical scientist are suggesting that it improves a persons chances.....then yes people who purvey that misinformation are evil and sick.  It is particularly galling when the ignorance extends to the pivotal logic that T uses which I am healthy therefore my choices have kept me cancer free.  It assumes a complete understanding of the disease, and the ability to find cause and effect in the same.....it is a tell of some god syndrome where a person believes they are above mere mortals......it is also a tell on complete self delusion.

I guess your doctor was trying to get down onto your level of comprehension.

and I see where you compared Teo to BP. You are FUCKED UP!

At least Teo's conversation starters leaves room to contimplate stuff and have a thought provoking conversation.

again, you are a fucked up bastard.

Comparing Teo to BP was uncalled for and way over the line.  
No one on here said a damn thing suggesting that someone should be allowed to post child pornography or anything illegal on this forum.

Nekochan wrote:Comparing Teo to BP was uncalled for and way over the line.  
No one on here said a damn thing suggesting that someone should be allowed to post child pornography or anything illegal on this forum.

I missed that post by Seaoat. I agree Neko, Seaoat was way out of line. There is no comparison between Teto and BP.

Illegal activities on this forum would not be tolerated......really sick comment by Seaoat.

Joanimaroni wrote:

Nekochan wrote:Comparing Teo to BP was uncalled for and way over the line.  
No one on here said a damn thing suggesting that someone should be allowed to post child pornography or anything illegal on this forum.

I missed that post by Seaoat. I agree Neko, Seaoat was way out of line.  There is no comparison between Teto and BP.

Illegal activities on this forum would not be tolerated......really sick comment by Seaoat.

Seaoat owes Teo an apology.  And y'all know that I don't say something like this every day on here.

It is particularly galling when the ignorance extends to the pivotal logic that T uses which I am healthy therefore my choices have kept me cancer free. It assumes a complete understanding of the disease, and the ability to find cause and effect in the same.....it is a tell of some god syndrome where a person believes they are above mere mortals

Here is really Mr Oats issue. He uses the "Poor Me" defense. It just aint fair. I do all this great stuff and I am very very successful. But I get the damn cancer!! Now some damn people are telling me to just eat Carrots and Green tea and I will be fine. What BS!!! Just because others might not have cancer doesnt mean shit. Let them get Cancer and you can bet your ass they will be running to the Doctors like a scared rabbit. Damn smart ass posters, they dont have clue.

Bet ya I aint far off......................

I thought it was in extremely bad taste to post pictures of someone dying of cancer knowing Seaoat's condition. It bordered on cruel. I have to wonder if there was some kind of intent there? Bob I'm sure appreciated that too. In any event...it sucked.

So no one can discuss their opinion about cancer treatments because some forum members have cancer?

He posted pictures of a woman dying of cancer. He didn't just post a discussion.

He gave a link to pictures and told everyone what they were pictures of.  No one had to click on his link.  No one had to even click onto this thread if they didn't like his thread title.

I find it sometimes aggravating when someone posts a story about a murdered child and then Teo posts pictures (not just links to pictures) of aborted babies or children killed in war.   He knows it aggravates people, that's why he does it.  And when he does that, there is no warning of what the picture is until you see it.  I don't like that he sometimes does that but he didn't do anything like that with this thread.  No one saw anything that they didn't click to see.

Even if you didn't click on the link I thought it was very unkind to do that knowing a forum member has terminal cancer. I didn't scroll down past the first couple of photographs before I decided this is something I don't want to see. No matter what you all think of Seaoat's opinions this just sucked big time and was uncalled for. I think he intentionally did it and it's cruel.

Dreamsglore wrote:Even if you didn't click on the link I thought it was very unkind to do that knowing a forum member has terminal cancer. I didn't scroll down past the first couple of photographs before I decided this is something I don't want to see. No matter what you all think of Seaoat's opinions this just sucked big time and was uncalled for. I think he intentionally did it and it's cruel.

Teo has always posted anti-medical type stuff, as long as I've known him on the forums.   I cannot read his heart or mind but this kind of thread is not unusual for Teo and I doubt he did it to be cruel to Seaoat or anyone.

Dreamsglore wrote:I thought it was in extremely bad taste to post pictures of someone dying of cancer knowing Seaoat's condition. It bordered on cruel. I have to wonder if there was some kind of intent there? Bob I'm sure appreciated that too. In any event...it sucked.

Nothing teo or anyone else here could ever post would offend me to the point that I would want ever want anyone censored for posting anything here.
This forum for me is entertainment.  I'm most entertained by the most outlandish stuff.  

As I said yesterday,  I've learned that it's pointless to discuss the issue of medicine vs it's alternatives.  The "true believers" on both sides of the issue treat it like a religious belief.  Same as global warming.  And I learned a long time ago how pointless it is to get into discussions about religious beliefs.
But I am entertained by listening to others argue about it.  lol

So no one can discuss their opinion about cancer treatments because some forum members have cancer?


No, just the opposite. Discussions which deal with real people and truth are a wonderful shared opinion and experience on the forum. I have enjoyed Bob's honesty in dealing with issues he has faced. Picking some poor lady stricken with cancer and suggesting that chemo killed her is the same anti intellectual nonsense which I have consistently criticized T about. I consider T a clone of the psychology of Adolf Hitler who lost his mother to breast cancer and developed deep seated resentment to anything intellectual and formed the backbone of his nazi ideology where a jewish doctor treated her. I have criticized his nazi posts, his mindless conspiracy posts, and I find the analogy of BP to be entirely appropriate. Many of his posts are the equivalent to posting child porn, under the guise of discussing the sociological impact of the same. What is remarkable that some find no offense in those posts. Fortunately, I have the right to express an opinion. I find many of T's threads as offensive as a discussion of child porn where someone posted pictures of children and then cleverly tried to say the thread was about the dangers of child porn. Sorry, anti intellectual foolishness which takes a sick women and suggests that chemo and treatment is responsible for her death.......(for those who lack intelligence to see the inference, I will not bother to discuss the same because it just becomes so tedious), and I have properly been critical of his other offensive and sick threads.....there have been many. Apology, hardly. T is one sick puppy as Mr. Markle described. If I am not mistaken many of the same people who are rallying around this sick puppy, were the same ones who rallied around BP......I am proud to say I called that sick puppy out repeatedly to the point like T, he would not even respond to my posts and both claim to ignore my posts than to deal with their sick perceptions.

2seaoat wrote:So no one can discuss their opinion about cancer treatments because some forum members have cancer?


No, just the opposite.  Discussions which deal with real people and truth are a wonderful shared opinion and experience on the forum.  I have enjoyed Bob's honesty in dealing with issues he has faced.   Picking some poor lady stricken with cancer and suggesting that chemo killed her is the same anti intellectual nonsense which I have consistently criticized T about.  I consider T a clone of the psychology of Adolf Hitler who lost his mother to breast cancer and developed deep seated resentment to anything intellectual and formed the backbone of his nazi ideology where a jewish doctor treated her.  I have criticized his nazi posts, his mindless conspiracy posts, and I find the analogy of BP to be entirely appropriate.  Many of his posts are the equivalent to posting child porn, under the guise of discussing the sociological impact of the same.  What is remarkable that some find no offense in those posts.  Fortunately, I have the right to express an opinion.  I find many of T's threads as offensive as a discussion of child porn where someone posted pictures of children and then cleverly tried to say the thread was about the dangers of child porn.   Sorry, anti intellectual foolishness which takes a sick women and suggests that chemo and treatment is responsible for her death.......(for those who lack intelligence to see the inference, I will not bother to discuss the same because it just becomes so tedious), and I have properly been critical of his other offensive and sick threads.....there have been many.  Apology, hardly.  T is one sick puppy as Mr. Markle described.   If I am not mistaken many of the same people who are rallying around this sick puppy, were the same ones who rallied around BP......I am proud to say I called that sick puppy out repeatedly to the point like T, he would not even respond to my posts and both claim to ignore my posts than to deal with their sick perceptions.

You're wrong in comparing Teo to a child molester.  No matter what kind of long-winded rationalization you make.

You're wrong in comparing Teo to a child molester. No matter what kind of long-winded rationalization you make.

A nazi is a nazi.....if it waddles like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck. If you find the nazi ideology and the anti intellectualism which makes the backbone of Hitler's ideology combined with xenophobic nonsense any less offensive than child pornography, you are entitled to your opinion. Of course you would have to be sensitive to how offensive racism is................To suggest modern medicine is a hoax or harmful to patients is offensive when post after post suggests that science, knowledge, and truth can be discarded for a new form of blood and soil nazi ideology where but for the evil influences of science we could restore the purity of the human body.....sick putrid porn and you can rationalize the perception all you want.

It was cruel and served no purpose but to inflame. Teo is warped.

You've lost me on this one, seaoat. How in the world does teo being a conspiracy buff and a medicine hater make him a child molester? What does one have to do with the other? lol

2seaoat wrote:You're wrong in comparing Teo to a child molester.  No matter what kind of long-winded rationalization you make.

A nazi is a nazi.....if it waddles like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.  If you find the nazi ideology and the anti intellectualism which makes the backbone of Hitler's ideology combined with xenophobic nonsense any less offensive than child pornography, you are entitled to your opinion.   Of course you would have to be sensitive to how offensive racism is................To suggest modern medicine is a hoax or harmful to patients is offensive when post after post suggests that science, knowledge, and truth can be discarded for a new form of blood and soil nazi ideology where but for the evil influences of science we could restore the purity of the human body.....sick putrid porn and you can rationalize the perception all you want.

The posts about Jews frankly is what bothers me most about Teo (and a couple of other posters on here..Teo is not alone).   That doesn't make him the level of a child molester.   You can try to turn this around on me, but I have posted my opinion on these issues and Teo and I have had our rounds.  I think that Teo knows what I think about some of his ideas.   
Comparing him to a child molester was wrong.

You've lost me on this one, seaoat. How in the world does teo being a conspiracy buff and a medicine hater make him a child molester? What does one have to do with the other? lol


It is simple. I could post suggestive photos of animal and human sexual encounters. For most sensible folks this would be offensive. If it was simply ad hoc goofiness which drove his paradigm, I could see where some might be confused with the analogy. However, he espouses nazi doctrine in every regard and consistently. Whether it is the conspiracy where there is a jew behind every event, or the belief that government should be destroyed because it is controlled by jews, or that our leaders and military are killing innocent people at the behest of the jews, or that science and medicine is sophistry brought on people by jews who own big pharm and medicine. Have you heard his innuendo about the jewish doctors he called on. You have debated him on 911, but in the end it comes back to those core principles of a nazi. The blood and soil purity, and his constant xenophobic posts attacking immigrants. His constant attacks on blacks. This idea that purity of body and spirit can overcome disease is a fundamental tenet of the entire blood and soil disease called nazi ideology. Hitler lover his dogs. He would kiss babies, and would bet he would attempt to help a fellow forum member, but the ideology is SICK, and putrid. Some think it is simply about a discussion of medical treatments......no it is much more offensive and putrid.

Now do not misinterpret my pointed comments as anger, or dislike of T as a person. I hold in disdain the ideology which he posts and goes unchallenged which says much about this forum. The hate based backward anti intellectual nazi ideology which so many allow to slip into these forums without challenge. Like BP, it is clear certain people hold beliefs which do not fall within the normal range. We celebrate diversity and free exchange of ideas on this forum, but please understand if something waddles like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, please do not insult my intelligence and tell me that duck bill looks more like a goose, and I do not understand why you are calling T a duck when he is really this nice goose. T knows exactly what he is doing posting his nonsense. He believes the same. He believes those jewish doctors will make you sicker, the jewish bankers control the fed, and that jews in government control our lives. That is pornography. I know it when I see it......I make no apology.

Bob wrote:You've lost me on this one, seaoat.  How in the world does teo being a conspiracy buff and a medicine hater make him a child molester?  What does one have to do with the other?  lol

It doesn't.  Seaoat is wrong, wrong, wrong.  He always says that he will admit when he's wrong.  Well, I'm waiting....

Comparing him to a child molester was wrong.


It was and continues to be a correct comparison. In 1966 the supreme court defined the same as:

The character or quality of being obscene; an act, utterance, or item tending to corrupt the public morals by its indecency or lewdness.

T posts obscene and offensive things consistent with his nazi ideology. The anti doctor anti intellectual is a core principal of nazis. To take a sick woman and use inference that the medical treatment she is receiving is killing her is indecent. It is as obscene as posting a photo of a child being abused and cleverly trying to not act like it is appealing to someone's purient interests. This thread is just one more obscene sick thread which unfortunately defines the nazi ideology which T regularly spews on this forum. Now other people can say gee.......I have a picture of Hitler playing with his dogs......he got the German people working again......he was basically a good man, well.......except for those ideas he posted....the ones which went unchallenged. You are either on the side of good, or evil. I choose good. Now am I saying T is without redemption. No, he espouses Christian principles, and if he is true to the word of Jesus he may find that redemption.....that is not my call, but posting hate and nazi ideology on this forum will be met with intellectual honesty.