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(NaturalNews) The implications of the so-called Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, are apparently so drastic that as many as 83 percent of private physicians have considered calling it quits. This is according to a new survey recently released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA), a nationwide physicians group dedicated to maintaining and protecting individualized care for all patients.

The survey, which included nearly 700 doctors from at least 45 U.S. states, revealed that most doctors and care providers are incensed by the nationalization of medicine, and believe that the transition from privatized care to government-run care will further erode the quality of healthcare in America. Not only will demand for patient care increase dramatically as a result of the Affordable Care Act, but pay for doctors will also decrease, which will drive many practices out of business.

"Doctors clearly understand what Washington does not -- that a piece of paper that says you are 'covered' by insurance or 'enrolled' in Medicare or Medicaid does not translate to actual medical care when doctors can't afford to see patients at the low-ball payments, and patients have to jump through government and insurance company bureaucratic hoops," said DPMA co-founder Kathryn Serkes to The Daily Caller about the survey results.

http://www.naturalnews.com/042370_doctors_Obamacare_national_survey.html#

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Why don't you take a break from hating on Obama this afternoon and turn on a football game?

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the nationalization of medicine,

Total misinformation. There is no nationalization of medicine. The private insurance companies are still in existence, and there is not even a public option company to suggest government interaction in medicine.


Please put up the white flag.....you lost.

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I know you don't care Seaoat, as you've already said, you are off to a better place soon. The rest of us left with your generation's shenanigans and screwing up the country still have to deal with it after you are gone.

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Why don't you take a break from hating on Obama this afternoon and turn on a football game?
Facts aren't hate and take your own advice.....my team isn't playing this week.

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2seaoat wrote:the nationalization of medicine,

Total misinformation.   There is no nationalization of medicine.   The private insurance companies are still in existence, and there is not even a public option company to suggest government interaction in medicine.


Please put up the white flag.....you lost.
He lost a long time ago when he failed to post anything that was truthful.

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Facing pressure on all fronts, an increasing number of physicians are planning to retire early, and the medical school pipeline is not ready to replace them.

Meanwhile, many specialists in seemingly lucrative fields struggle to make ends meet.

Welcome to the new medical field, where doctors may not be as rich or secure as once supposed.

Deloitte's 2013 survey of U.S. physicians found deep pessimism in the profession, including 60 percent predicting early retirement and asserting that the "practice of medicine is in jeopardy."

At CNN Money, Parija Kavilanz reported on a number of doctors in private practice who are struggling or going under.

"Doctors also blame shrinking insurance reimbursements, changing regulations, and the rising costs of malpractice insurance, drugs and other business necessities for making it harder to keep their practices afloat," Kavilanz reported.

The problem has been brewing for years now, driven in part by sharp declines in reimbursements for Medicare.

Last year, Kavilanz reported on doctors struggling in private practice, noting claims that "recent steep 35 percent to 40 percent cuts in Medicare reimbursements for key cardiovascular services, such as stress tests and echocardiograms, have taken a substantial toll on revenue."

"These cuts have destabilized private cardiology practices," Dr. William Penz, a Philadelphia cardiologist told Kavilanz last year. "A third of our patients are on Medicare. So these Medicare cuts are by far the biggest factor. Private insurers follow Medicare rates. So those reimbursements are going down as well."

In addition to a wave of retirements, newly hatched doctors are pushing away from general practice, toward more lucrative specialties. The result is a growing shortage of general practitioners, according to John Commins at Health Leaders Magazine.

"The timing really could not be worse," Commins wrote, "One out of three practicing physicians in the United States is over the age of 55, and many of them are expected to retire in the next 10 or 15 years. Meanwhile, U.S. medical schools have not provided for the loss of 33 percent of the nation’s physician work force

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865577735/As-Obamacare-kicks-in-doctors-face-early-retirement-bankruptcy.html?pg=all

doctors are going bankrupt all over the place. I mean crap this is easy to look up. they are going bankrupt and many are joining hospitals.

serious shortage....

you guys raided the farm wanting the goods, and when all the goods are gone no one left to tend the farm to make more goods. moooo or baaaaa lol

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Chrissy wrote:Facing pressure on all fronts, an increasing number of physicians are planning to retire early, and the medical school pipeline is not ready to replace them.

Meanwhile, many specialists in seemingly lucrative fields struggle to make ends meet.

Welcome to the new medical field, where doctors may not be as rich or secure as once supposed.

Deloitte's 2013 survey of U.S. physicians found deep pessimism in the profession, including 60 percent predicting early retirement and asserting that the "practice of medicine is in jeopardy."

At CNN Money, Parija Kavilanz reported on a number of doctors in private practice who are struggling or going under.

"Doctors also blame shrinking insurance reimbursements, changing regulations, and the rising costs of malpractice insurance, drugs and other business necessities for making it harder to keep their practices afloat," Kavilanz reported.

The problem has been brewing for years now, driven in part by sharp declines in reimbursements for Medicare.

Last year, Kavilanz reported on doctors struggling in private practice, noting claims that "recent steep 35 percent to 40 percent cuts in Medicare reimbursements for key cardiovascular services, such as stress tests and echocardiograms, have taken a substantial toll on revenue."

"These cuts have destabilized private cardiology practices," Dr. William Penz, a Philadelphia cardiologist told Kavilanz last year. "A third of our patients are on Medicare. So these Medicare cuts are by far the biggest factor. Private insurers follow Medicare rates. So those reimbursements are going down as well."

In addition to a wave of retirements, newly hatched doctors are pushing away from general practice, toward more lucrative specialties. The result is a growing shortage of general practitioners, according to John Commins at Health Leaders Magazine.

"The timing really could not be worse," Commins wrote, "One out of three practicing physicians in the United States is over the age of 55, and many of them are expected to retire in the next 10 or 15 years. Meanwhile, U.S. medical schools have not provided for the loss of 33 percent of the nation’s physician work force

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865577735/As-Obamacare-kicks-in-doctors-face-early-retirement-bankruptcy.html?pg=all

doctors are going bankrupt all over the place. I mean crap this is easy to look up. they are going bankrupt and many are joining hospitals.

serious shortage....

you guys raided the farm wanting the goods, and when all the goods are gone no one left to tend the farm to make more goods. moooo or baaaaa lol


LOL! And the horseshit keeps rolling!

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Why don't you take a break from hating on Obama this afternoon and turn on a football game?
Facts aren't hate and take your own advice.....my team isn't playing this week.
Your facts are really your opinions, and it is easy to see that you hate the President's guts. We always knew a second term for Obama was going to be hard for you to take. It is quite obvious with what you spew.

Oh, I guess you hate Baby Boomers too, based on what you just told Seaoat above.

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Why don't you take a break from hating on Obama this afternoon and turn on a football game?
Facts aren't hate and take your own advice.....my team isn't playing this week.
Your facts are really your opinions, and it is easy to see that you hate the President's guts. We always knew a second term for Obama was going to be hard for you to take. It is quite obvious with what you spew.

Oh, I guess you hate Baby Boomers too, based on what you just told Seaoat above.

stop attacking him personally and address the thread topic or STFU

who gives a shit who likes who. doctors are retiring and going bankrupt.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/08/smallbusiness/doctors-bankruptcy/index.html

do you really think you can cut reimbursement when operation cost keeps going up? seriously.......

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/10/20/doctors-shortage-least-most/1644837/

The US is currently facing a severe shortage of Doctors.

The Association of American Medical Colleges predicts that by 2020,the shortage will amount to more than 90,000 doctors,including 45,000 patient care physicians. Why such a shortfall? The baby boom generation is getting older and will require more medical care in the coming years. The newly enacted Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will soon require most people to obtain health insurance,leading millions more to seek care. Finally,a third of all doctors plan to retire this decade.

24/7 Wall St. looked at the 10 states with the highest ratio of patient care physicians and the 10 states with the lowest. The differences are stark. Massachusetts had 314.8 patient care doctors for every 100,000 residents. On the other hand,Mississippi had just 159.4,or just half the figure for Massachusetts.

States with a higher doctor-to-resident ratio share some common attributes. Generally,the states with high median incomes tend to have more doctors per capita,while poorer states tend to have substantially fewer. Among the 10 states with the most practicing physicians per capita are five of the sixwealthiest states by median income in the country.

The ability to pay has a major influence on whether people have health insurance. Each of the 10 states with the highest concentration of doctors has uninsured rates lower than the national rate of 15.5%,while seven of the 10 states at the bottom have uninsured rates higher than the national rate. When doctors treat insured patients they are paid more than when they treat uninsured patients,incentivizing them to move to highly insured states.

"Most of [the uninsured] are choosing to not get insurance because they can't afford it,and so you're not likely to get paid,at least paid fully,from those patients," AAMC's chief policy officer Atul Glover told 24/7 Wall St. He notes that although the new federal health law will expand Medicaid coverage,the program,along with Medicare,tends to pay physicians between 30% and 40% less than private insurance companies.

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Open state medical schools and offer scholarships for people who commit 5 years to community general practice. Double the number of medical school slots. Increase the responsibilities of PAs and increase their numbers. We have no problem that the Union cannot try to take advantage. A PA can see me and give me a Z pack antibiotic in about five minutes.........it is like trying to cut the yard with a tractor combine........overkill. It is time to get efficient primary care to patients, and reward those doctors who choose to serve their communities with scholarships.......simple answers which have nothing to do with the affordable care act.

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2seaoat wrote:Open state medical schools and offer scholarships for people who commit 5 years to community general practice.  Double the number of medical school slots.   Increase the responsibilities of PAs and increase their numbers.  We have no problem that the Union cannot try to take advantage.   A PA can see me and give me a Z pack antibiotic in about five minutes.........it is like trying to cut the yard with a tractor combine........overkill.   It is time to get efficient primary care to patients, and reward those doctors who choose to serve their communities with scholarships.......simple answers which have nothing to do with the affordable care act.
well PA's numbers are soaring. I read a article on Medscape this week and docs are flaming mad because the gov is going to let reimbursements be the same for PA's as compared to docs. I know you will rejoice at that thought. but be forewarned. actions like this does not make people want to run out and become a doctor.

its not lucrative to be a doctor anymore. you people have taken away not only the benefit of all that education and hard work they had to put in but you've also demonized them.

you will get your deserts. don't worry.

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Ilived in Mexico in 1975 and met forty bright Americans going to a World Health recognized medical school. These folks were bright articulate english speaking (A )students who could not get admitted into medical school. Every year bright and capable medical students are not admitted because of artificial quotas which keep the numbers of doctors down. A monopoly which is getting busted. Folks making 400k a year will see income drop to 200k a year and there will still be a line of folks who want that 200k. Cherry picking cosmetic and plastic surgery, while general practice and OB positions go unfilled, is simply a matter of scholarships for areas which need doctors. Union busting is long overdue, and a large part of the problem of costs.

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Chrissy wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Open state medical schools and offer scholarships for people who commit 5 years to community general practice.  Double the number of medical school slots.   Increase the responsibilities of PAs and increase their numbers.  We have no problem that the Union cannot try to take advantage.   A PA can see me and give me a Z pack antibiotic in about five minutes.........it is like trying to cut the yard with a tractor combine........overkill.   It is time to get efficient primary care to patients, and reward those doctors who choose to serve their communities with scholarships.......simple answers which have nothing to do with the affordable care act.
well PA's numbers are soaring. I read a article on Medscape this week and docs are flaming mad because the gov is going to let reimbursements be the same for PA's as compared to docs. I know you will rejoice at that thought. but be forewarned. actions like this does not make people want to run out and become a doctor.

its not lucrative to be a doctor anymore. you people have taken away not only the benefit of all that education and hard work they had to put in but you've also demonized them.

you will get your deserts. don't worry.
My insurance pays the same whether I see the Dr. or the NP and I usually see the NP so the doc makes out. Total horseshit.

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Dreamsglore wrote:
Chrissy wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Open state medical schools and offer scholarships for people who commit 5 years to community general practice.  Double the number of medical school slots.   Increase the responsibilities of PAs and increase their numbers.  We have no problem that the Union cannot try to take advantage.   A PA can see me and give me a Z pack antibiotic in about five minutes.........it is like trying to cut the yard with a tractor combine........overkill.   It is time to get efficient primary care to patients, and reward those doctors who choose to serve their communities with scholarships.......simple answers which have nothing to do with the affordable care act.
well PA's numbers are soaring. I read a article on Medscape this week and docs are flaming mad because the gov is going to let reimbursements be the same for PA's as compared to docs. I know you will rejoice at that thought. but be forewarned. actions like this does not make people want to run out and become a doctor.

its not lucrative to be a doctor anymore. you people have taken away not only the benefit of all that education and hard work they had to put in but you've also demonized them.

you will get your deserts. don't worry.
My insurance pays the same whether I see the Dr. or the NP and I usually see the NP so the doc makes out. Total horseshit.
Medicare guidelines are important to follow where PAs are concerned. As of Jan. 1, 1998, Medicare pays the PA’s employer for medical and surgical services provided by PAs in all settings at 85 percent of the physician’s fee schedule. According to the guidelines, settings include hospitals (inpatient, outpatient, operating room, and emergency departments), nursing facilities, offices, clinics, the patient’s home, and first assisting at surgery.For payment, the claim is submitted at the full physician rate; the PA’s National Provider Identification (NPI) number on the claim alerts Medicare to reduce the payment to 85 percent of the physician’s fee schedule - See more at: http://www.physicianspractice.com/blog/understanding-physician-assistant-reimbursement#sthash.36kRBzzJ.dpuf

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http://www.aapa.org/your_pa_practice/reimbursement.aspx


However, I do believe that ACA has changed this law to where they get the same. and ACA has invested heavily to create more PA's and NP's. we are going to lesson the criteria. it will be like cuba lol << you probably wont get that comment..lololol

and once again you open your mouth without knowing what you are talking about. Rolling Eyes 

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I now what I'm talking about idiot. I don't have medicare. I have BC/BS and they pay the office visit amount whether I see the NP or Dr. I have complained to BC about it and they said "too bad".

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Dreamsglore wrote:I now what I'm talking about idiot. I don't have medicare. I have BC/BS and they pay the office visit amount whether I see the NP or Dr. I have complained to BC about it and they said "too bad".
I highly doubt they do. I cant say they do because the way private insurance works one contract for this doctor will be different from the next one.

I can tell you that usually private insurances follow the guidelines set forth by CMS.

also, and I thought you would have understood this point by now, these reimbursement threads are only for CMS. its the CMS payments that are hurting doctors.

but don't worry the private ins is next, they will have to lower payments and cut services eventually too

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2seaoat wrote:Open state medical schools and offer scholarships for people who commit 5 years to community general practice.  Double the number of medical school slots.   Increase the responsibilities of PAs and increase their numbers.  We have no problem that the Union cannot try to take advantage.   A PA can see me and give me a Z pack antibiotic in about five minutes.........it is like trying to cut the yard with a tractor combine........overkill.   It is time to get efficient primary care to patients, and reward those doctors who choose to serve their communities with scholarships.......simple answers which have nothing to do with the affordable care act.
Don't forget nurse practitioners, Seaoat.

I think NPs and PAs will be more than willing to pick up the slack created by this supposed "mass exodus" of physicians.

2083% of doctors have considered giving up their practice over Obamacare Empty Hate is his mantra.... 10/13/2013, 9:13 am

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Why don't you take a break from hating on Obama this afternoon and turn on a football game?
Facts aren't hate and take your own advice.....my team isn't playing this week.
Your facts are really your opinions, and it is easy to see that you hate the President's guts. We always knew a second term for Obama was going to be hard for you to take. It is quite obvious with what you spew.

Oh, I guess you hate Baby Boomers too, based on what you just told Seaoat above.

So what if the richest of the rich are not going to make as much money.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!  WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
The cuts in medicaid reimbursements were happening years before the PPACA. The doctor's were bitching about that way before Obama.

Do not fret, the doctors will keep their practices. The crying-at-the-sky that pee-dog does is natural given his intelligence level, and will subside in time. Hopefully.

"You can tell a bigot; but not much."  Mark Twain

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Chrissy, we were facing a shortage of docs before obamacare and the coming of this boondoggle only exacerbates the issue. Dreams is clueless about it and the good docs like I have are asking for a surcharge like mine of "x" amount of $ beyond medical ins just to be kept on their rolls

2283% of doctors have considered giving up their practice over Obamacare Empty funny 10/14/2013, 6:59 am

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Chrissy, we were facing a shortage of docs before obamacare and the coming of this boondoggle only exacerbates the issue. Dreams is clueless about it and the good docs like I have are asking for a surcharge like mine of "x" amount of $ beyond medical ins just to be kept on their rolls


It is curious and entertaining that pee-dog has given up talking to anyone with intelligence. Only his far-far-frighty-rightie comrades will listen to his incessant crying-at-the-sky. So the reply to this post is only for Chrissy because only Chrissy will listen to his dreary-feary prognostications about a shortage of doctors that will never happen. Just like all the other scary scenarios pee-dog has predicted about that black guy that have never came true.
Thanks. Do not give up. It is too entertaining.

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CarlSagan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Chrissy, we were facing a shortage of docs before obamacare and the coming of this boondoggle only exacerbates the issue. Dreams is clueless about it and the good docs like I have are asking for a surcharge like mine of "x" amount of $ beyond medical ins just to be kept on their rolls
It is curious and entertaining that pee-dog has given up talking to anyone with intelligence.  Only his far-far-frighty-rightie comrades will listen to his incessant crying-at-the-sky. So the reply to this post is only for Chrissy because only Chrissy will listen to his dreary-feary prognostications about a shortage of doctors that will never happen.  Just like all the other scary scenarios pee-dog has predicted about that black guy that have never came true.
Thanks. Do not give up. It is too entertaining.
LOL you are high.

There is ALREADY a shortage of doctors.

and lets not forget one important factor the left likes to use, babyboomers. what age group do you think a good majority of doctors are in? hmm

and now you have taken away the incentive to become a doctor.... tssk tssk

Don't worry though, they will lower the standards and education requirements to administer the crumb to the masses.

2483% of doctors have considered giving up their practice over Obamacare Empty Hmmmmm.... 10/14/2013, 9:52 am

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Chrissy wrote:
CarlSagan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Chrissy, we were facing a shortage of docs before obamacare and the coming of this boondoggle only exacerbates the issue. Dreams is clueless about it and the good docs like I have are asking for a surcharge like mine of "x" amount of $ beyond medical ins just to be kept on their rolls
It is curious and entertaining that pee-dog has given up talking to anyone with intelligence.  Only his far-far-frighty-rightie comrades will listen to his incessant crying-at-the-sky. So the reply to this post is only for Chrissy because only Chrissy will listen to his dreary-feary prognostications about a shortage of doctors that will never happen.  Just like all the other scary scenarios pee-dog has predicted about that black guy that have never came true.
Thanks. Do not give up. It is too entertaining.
LOL you are high.
There is ALREADY a shortage of doctors.
and lets not forget one important factor the left likes to use, babyboomers. what age group do you think a good majority of doctors are in? hmm
and now you have taken away the incentive to become a doctor.... tssk tssk
Don't worry though, they will lower the standards and education requirements to administer the crumb to the masses.
There is no shortage of doctors; please turn off Faux News.
I read the Hippocratic Oath, and nowhere does it read about being a doctor to be rich. It only reads about having morals and ethics and helping and protecting their patients.
More evidence that worshiping the almighty corporate dollar is more important to the conservative right than caring about the common man.
Thanks, again.

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CarlSagan wrote:
Chrissy wrote:
CarlSagan wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Chrissy, we were facing a shortage of docs before obamacare and the coming of this boondoggle only exacerbates the issue. Dreams is clueless about it and the good docs like I have are asking for a surcharge like mine of "x" amount of $ beyond medical ins just to be kept on their rolls
It is curious and entertaining that pee-dog has given up talking to anyone with intelligence.  Only his far-far-frighty-rightie comrades will listen to his incessant crying-at-the-sky. So the reply to this post is only for Chrissy because only Chrissy will listen to his dreary-feary prognostications about a shortage of doctors that will never happen.  Just like all the other scary scenarios pee-dog has predicted about that black guy that have never came true.
Thanks. Do not give up. It is too entertaining.
LOL you are high.
There is ALREADY a shortage of doctors.
and lets not forget one important factor the left likes to use, babyboomers. what age group do you think a good majority of doctors are in? hmm
and now you have taken away the incentive to become a doctor.... tssk tssk
Don't worry though, they will lower the standards and education requirements to administer the crumb to the masses.
There is no shortage of doctors; please turn off Faux News.
I read the Hippocratic Oath, and nowhere does it read about being a doctor to be rich. It only reads about having morals and ethics and helping and protecting their patients.
More evidence that worshiping the almighty corporate dollar is more important to the conservative right than caring about the common man.
Thanks, again.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2012/10/20/doctors-shortage-least-most/1644837/

The US is currently facing a severe shortage of Doctors.

The Association of American Medical Colleges predicts that by 2020,the shortage will amount to more than 90,000 doctors,including 45,000 patient care physicians. Why such a shortfall? The baby boom generation is getting older and will require more medical care in the coming years. The newly enacted Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act will soon require most people to obtain health insurance,leading millions more to seek care. Finally,a third of all doctors plan to retire this decade.

24/7 Wall St. looked at the 10 states with the highest ratio of patient care physicians and the 10 states with the lowest. The differences are stark. Massachusetts had 314.8 patient care doctors for every 100,000 residents. On the other hand,Mississippi had just 159.4,or just half the figure for Massachusetts.

States with a higher doctor-to-resident ratio share some common attributes. Generally,the states with high median incomes tend to have more doctors per capita,while poorer states tend to have substantially fewer. Among the 10 states with the most practicing physicians per capita are five of the sixwealthiest states by median income in the country.

The ability to pay has a major influence on whether people have health insurance. Each of the 10 states with the highest concentration of doctors has uninsured rates lower than the national rate of 15.5%,while seven of the 10 states at the bottom have uninsured rates higher than the national rate. When doctors treat insured patients they are paid more than when they treat uninsured patients,incentivizing them to move to highly insured states.

"Most of [the uninsured] are choosing to not get insurance because they can't afford it,and so you're not likely to get paid,at least paid fully,from those patients," AAMC's chief policy officer Atul Glover told 24/7 Wall St. He notes that although the new federal health law will expand Medicaid coverage,the program,along with Medicare,tends to pay physicians between 30% and 40% less than private insurance companies.

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