boards of FL wrote: nochain wrote: boards of FL wrote: nochain wrote:What would I do? Pull out of the Mideast, quit supporting them and let them sort it all out.
I'm not asking you about what you would do in general as president but, rather, about Egypt specifically. You just started a threat whining about our policy towards Egypt, so I'm asking you what you would do? State what you feel is the optimal policy in dealing with Egypt, and then differentiate your policy from that which Obama is advocating.
What "policy" is he advocating??? He has no policy. He has managed to enrage the Egyptian military through his love affair with the Muslim Brotherhood Islamists - that is central to the problem. His lack of coherent policy in Syria is very similar. He needs to smoke the peace pipe with the Egyptian military and press for a solution suitable to all the players.
Otherwise quit pretending and just state his current policy - ignoring the situation.
Now, what is your proposal?
I would probably stay out of it for the time being, have my national security team assess our interests and possible steps that could be taken to advance them should shit get really hectic, and then offer comments that condemn violence....basically what Obama is doing now.
So if I understand you correctly, your policy is to go all in with the military and support their removal of the first democratically elected president of Egypt? Am I reading you correctly here?
Or, do you support the idea implied by the article that you posted and specifically quoted: That we should call this whole fiasco a coup and then support the democratically elected president?
Or, do you support the policy that you presented earlier in this thread in which you feel the best course of action is to pull out of the middle east entirely?
Which is it? So far - and in the very same thread, amazingly - you have supported the military coup, the muslim brotherhood, and a total non-interventionist policy. The only thing you have been consistent on is that you don't like Obama's policy, which you concede you don't actually know what it is.
I would probably stay out of it for the time being, have my national security team assess our interests and possible steps that could be taken to advance them should shit get really hectic, and then offer comments that condemn violence....basically what Obama is doing now.
In short, you would do nothing. OK then. That’s one option and sometimes not a bad one except when dealing with the largest, and largely American equipped and trained military in the M/E so fighting them is not a real good option.So if I understand you correctly, your policy is to go all in with the military and support their removal of the first democratically elected president of Egypt? Am I reading you correctly here?
No you do not “understand me correctly”. I said smoke the peace pipe not crawl in bed with them, before anything else can be done to restore Democracy (if that’s the real goal) then the fighting must stop. The anti-army folks need to be convinced negotiation is the only solution – the U.S. might be able to help with that since Obama put his bet on Morsi in the first place.Or, do you support the idea implied by the article that you posted and specifically quoted: That we should call this whole fiasco a coup and then support the democratically elected president?
It should have been called a coup in the beginning, that’s what it was – the hemming, hawing, and lack of clear M/E policy by this administration was the central point of the article I posted (if you even read the whole thing). The reasons for doing so are mostly economic IMO – not necessarily political, we are not by law allowed to provide financial aid to a belligerent government in power through a coup.Or, do you support the policy that you presented earlier in this thread in which you feel the best course of action is to pull out of the middle east entirely?
At the end of the day that is best – we are not wanted over there – our money is, but not our politics. OK fine, let them have it. I have been there and worked with several M/E military units in various countries - they never really trust us because their views are far different than ours.Which is it? So far - and in the very same thread, amazingly - you have supported the military coup, the muslim brotherhood, and a total non-interventionist policy.
No you are wrong, everything to you is a straight line, black or white, unwavering, no options. I presented options that you chose to misinterpret, all you have presented is the same old tired Obama approach. Apparently you don’t understand the situation as well as you think you do and have no real answer to my original question. Imagine that.The only thing you have been consistent on is that you don't like Obama's policy, which you concede you don't actually know what it is.
He has no real policy, how could anyone know what it is? You certainly don’t, a few comments by Kerry, a little of this, a little of that is not a policy to anyone but you and Obama. How amusing.
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