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Six years of being told that Republicans had a better plan......if someone could please help me

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2seaoat



I have listened for six years how easy it was to fix the ACA, and I have been listening since the election concluded, and I have not seen this plan. Now I am not happy with the Democrats calling the new plan yet to be announced Trumpcare because it is just that all or nothing over the last six years which has stopped folks from improving American health care. So the solution is to mock the obvious fact that the Republicans after six years have no unified plan, but just random talking points, rather the Democrats can stick to their policy points, but do not stonewall and mock any positive change which can help the delivery of American health care. However, if this bumbling continues with no strategic plan, no leadership after revoking a law which has helped Americans, Katy bar the door, because it appears the Democrats are done being nice with the Republicans, and in kind response only further damages America as the Republicans proved over the last eight years.

Guest


Guest

If I had to guess... and that's all anyone can do yet... trump will probably give away as much shit as Obama.

Try taking deep breaths until he actually takes over.

Sal

Sal

Repeal without a practical replacement will be a train wreck and cause real harm to millions of people.

The GOP is counting on people affected by loss of insurance or in a loss of the consumer protections the law provides just shrugging and blaming Obama for their pain.

Seems like a tough sell, but many of them bought Trump for President, so who the fuck knows anymore?

RealLindaL



If "someone could please help" you with what? There is no plan, period. That's why they're saying it will likely be a matter of years -- not weeks or months, but years -- before Obamacare is replaced. (And Pence promises it will be "market based," which just has to be SOOOOO much better for the premium payers. ) {{{sigh}}} All these years of bitching and moaning and they still can't even come up with a basic description of a different plan, much less the plan itself? Maybe the reason for that is that Obamacare is ALREADY a Republican plan, modeled after Mitt Romney's, as others have pointed out.

RealLindaL



Sal wrote:The GOP is counting on people affected by loss of insurance or in a loss of the consumer protections the law provides just shrugging and blaming Obama for their pain.

That's why the Democrats are already, very loudly, saying at every opportunity that the Republicans will OWN health insurance now, no matter what happens.  I agree.

Telstar

Telstar

RealLindaL wrote:
Sal wrote:The GOP is counting on people affected by loss of insurance or in a loss of the consumer protections the law provides just shrugging and blaming Obama for their pain.

That's why the Democrats are already, very loudly, saying at every opportunity that the Republicans will OWN health insurance now, no matter what happens.  I agree.

Talk is cheap and so is tweeting.

Sal

Sal

The sad fact for all of us is that Republicans are great at fiery campaign rhetoric but can't govern for shit, and now they're in charge of the whole shebang.

Resistance is the only option.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:I have listened for six years how easy it was to fix the ACA,Six years of being told that Republicans had a better plan......if someone could please help me 6117dd60-5286-4e72-aca8-16189154dc12_zpskdnlvjte

PLEASE step up and show us where anyone said it was EASY to fix Obamacare.

Obamacare is like that really old house, one owner for the past fifty or sixty years with some character. It is more time and trouble to attempt to fix up than it is to raze it and start from scratch.

2seaoat



Exactly.....the promise was to raze the house and build a better one.......one small problem......where do the folks go during construction. I mean six years to have a plan in place based on the puffing that they had something better, and nothing, and few want to tell the truth.....millions found shelter in that home, and millions will be thrown to the wolves. Simple priorities. People do not matter, Mic and special interests matter. I have faith that President Trump will use common sense realizing the jackals he is discovering in Congress.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:Six years of being told that Republicans had a better plan......if someone could please help me 6117dd60-5286-4e72-aca8-16189154dc12_zpskdnlvjte  

This reading might be a better fit for your level of comprehension:

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Guest


Guest

2seaoat wrote:I have listened for six years how easy it was to fix the ACA, and I have been listening since the election concluded, and I have not seen this plan.  Now I am not happy with the Democrats calling the new plan yet to be announced Trumpcare because it is just that all or nothing over the last six years which has stopped folks from improving American health care.   So the solution is to mock the obvious fact that the Republicans after six years have no unified plan, but just random talking points, rather the Democrats can stick to their policy points, but do not stonewall and mock any positive change which can help the delivery of American health care.  However, if this bumbling continues with no strategic plan, no leadership after revoking a law which has helped Americans, Katy bar the door, because it appears the Democrats are done being nice with the Republicans, and in kind response only further damages America as the Republicans proved over the last eight years.
Tax dollars will be saved by the repeal

2seaoat



Tax dollars will be saved by the repeal

Maybe. Just throw people off Medicaid and let them die. Dollars saved. Or, maybe not. Some estimates say if you keep the goodies of the ACA without revenue sources it could blow a one trillion dollar deficit over a few years.

In fairness, non of us know because President Obama ran on specifics in 2008 and implemented health reform based on those specifics. President elect Trump and the Republicans have not announced a plan after six years. I heard today the plan will be announced in February, and will have some immediate components, and some phased in components, but nobody can do a budget analysis without a plan, so unless somebody has shared that double dutch secret plan with you, you are as clueless as America is. I can wait, and hope common sense will prevail.

Vikingwoman



https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/27/these-coal-country-voters-backed-trump-now-theyre-worried-about-losing-obamacare/?utm_term=.486964870746

I can't help but laugh at these stupid ass's!

Telstar

Telstar

Vikingwoman wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/27/these-coal-country-voters-backed-trump-now-theyre-worried-about-losing-obamacare/?utm_term=.486964870746

I can't help but laugh at these stupid ass's!

Tough that Santa shoved coal down their stockings.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Vikingwoman wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/27/these-coal-country-voters-backed-trump-now-theyre-worried-about-losing-obamacare/?utm_term=.486964870746

I can't help but laugh at these stupid ass's!

Interesting.... Here is an excerpt from your article:

Last night, CNN aired a terrific segment on people from coal country who voted for Donald Trump — but are now worried that his vow to repeal Obamacare will deprive them of crucial protections that enable them to stay afloat financially. This dovetails with other reporting that suggests a lot of Trump voters may be harmed by repeal of the law.

Which raises a question: Did voters such as these know they were voting for this? After all, Trump promised countless times throughout the campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act, didn’t he? If they are complaining about this now, don’t they have only themselves to blame?

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Sal

Sal

But asked about policies found in several Republican plans to replace the Affordable Care Act — including a tax credit to help defray the cost of premiums, a tax-preferred savings account and a large deductible typical of catastrophic coverage — several of these Trump voters recoiled, calling such proposals "not insurance at all." One of those plans has been proposed by Representative Tom Price, Mr. Trump's nominee to be secretary of Health and Human Services. These voters said they did not understand health savings accounts and displayed skepticism about the concept. When told Mr. Trump might embrace a plan that included these elements, and particularly very high deductibles, they expressed disbelief. They were also worried about what they called "chaos" if there was a gap between repealing and replacing Obamacare. But most did not think that, as one participant put it, "a smart businessman like Trump would let that happen." Some were uninsured before the Affordable Care Act and said they did not want to be uninsured again. Generally, the Trump voters on Medicaid were much more satisfied with their coverage.

.......

There was one thing many said they liked about the pre-Affordable Care Act insurance market: their ability to buy lower-cost plans that fit their needs, even if it meant that less healthy people had to pay more. They were unmoved by the principle of risk-sharing, and trusted that Mr. Trump would find a way to protect people with pre-existing medical conditions without a mandate, which most viewed as "un-American."

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/05/opinion/the-health-care-plan-trump-voters-really-want.html?_r=0

Guest


Guest

I highly doubt that anyone will lose value in the healthcare ins they purchase... it'll likely be better. I also doubt that anyone that's earned a govt program (mcare) or deserves one (disability, mcaid... etc) will be harmed... in fact I think they'll get a better product. Obamacaid basically redistributed from the young and middle class. The only solutions I see are to create a separate govt system (which isn't likely)... or to kill the mandate and drop the medicaid expansion. Free ain't cheap comrades.

Edit: I also doubt they'll cut medicaid... govt doesn't usually solve problems.



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2seaoat



Free ain't cheap comrades.


War and tax cuts for the wealthy are not cheap comrade. People did not vote their economic interests in the last election. They voted for fake news and rejection of established politicians. Those who lose their health care will vote in the future comrade. That is how a democracy works. Health Care is a priority which even though you deny the same, it is hilarious how all you deniers now want to cherry pick the good stuff.....too funny. Could the Affordable Care Act be improved. Yes. Will the new replacement be better......just simply do not know after six years being told there was a magic bullet replacement for ACA....so I will wait.

Guest


Guest

It would require a "magic bullet" to kill the monstrosity that is obamacaid.

I don't think that they'll substantively do it... it'll be smoke and mirrors. I hope I'm wrong.

Vikingwoman



ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/27/these-coal-country-voters-backed-trump-now-theyre-worried-about-losing-obamacare/?utm_term=.486964870746

I can't help but laugh at these stupid ass's!

Interesting.... Here is an excerpt from your article:

Last night, CNN aired a terrific segment on people from coal country who voted for Donald Trump — but are now worried that his vow to repeal Obamacare will deprive them of crucial protections that enable them to stay afloat financially. This dovetails with other reporting that suggests a lot of Trump voters may be harmed by repeal of the law.

Which raises a question: Did voters such as these know they were voting for this? After all, Trump promised countless times throughout the campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act, didn’t he? If they are complaining about this now, don’t they have only themselves to blame?


Yes they knew he said he would repeal Obamacare but thought he really wouldn't. Whut? What do you call that? One woman's husband needs a liver transplant yet she voted for Trump and is now scared?

https://ky.aflcio.org/news/vox-why-obamacare-enrollees-voted-trump

Guest


Guest

Vikingwoman wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/27/these-coal-country-voters-backed-trump-now-theyre-worried-about-losing-obamacare/?utm_term=.486964870746

I can't help but laugh at these stupid ass's!

Interesting.... Here is an excerpt from your article:

Last night, CNN aired a terrific segment on people from coal country who voted for Donald Trump — but are now worried that his vow to repeal Obamacare will deprive them of crucial protections that enable them to stay afloat financially. This dovetails with other reporting that suggests a lot of Trump voters may be harmed by repeal of the law.

Which raises a question: Did voters such as these know they were voting for this? After all, Trump promised countless times throughout the campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act, didn’t he? If they are complaining about this now, don’t they have only themselves to blame?


Yes they knew he said he would repeal Obamacare but thought he really wouldn't. Whut? What do you call that? One woman's husband needs a liver transplant yet she voted for Trump and is now scared?

https://ky.aflcio.org/news/vox-why-obamacare-enrollees-voted-trump

All she can do now is to pay her 6 or 8 thousand dollar deductible... how easy is that? On top of skyrocketing premiums? Obamacaid created more problems than it solved... it was designed to fail. Your dear leaders are afraid that it can be salvaged and postpone further their completely socialist system. But don't tell the others... ok?

knothead

knothead

PkrBum wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/27/these-coal-country-voters-backed-trump-now-theyre-worried-about-losing-obamacare/?utm_term=.486964870746

I can't help but laugh at these stupid ass's!

Interesting.... Here is an excerpt from your article:

Last night, CNN aired a terrific segment on people from coal country who voted for Donald Trump — but are now worried that his vow to repeal Obamacare will deprive them of crucial protections that enable them to stay afloat financially. This dovetails with other reporting that suggests a lot of Trump voters may be harmed by repeal of the law.

Which raises a question: Did voters such as these know they were voting for this? After all, Trump promised countless times throughout the campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act, didn’t he? If they are complaining about this now, don’t they have only themselves to blame?


Yes they knew he said he would repeal Obamacare but thought he really wouldn't. Whut? What do you call that? One woman's husband needs a liver transplant yet she voted for Trump and is now scared?

https://ky.aflcio.org/news/vox-why-obamacare-enrollees-voted-trump

All she can do now is to pay her 6 or 8 thousand dollar deductible... how easy is that? On top of skyrocketing premiums? Obamacaid created more problems than it solved... it was designed to fail. Your dear leaders are afraid that it can be salvaged and postpone further their completely socialist system. But don't tell the others... ok?


For a liver transplant? What a deal . . . . . as to the skyrocketing premiums I assume you know that healthcare costs continue to escalate and that escalation has actually subsided some. I do hope our dear leaders will devise a method where all Americans get the medical care they need in lieu of losing their home or worse yet just freaking dying for a lack of medical care if for no other reason just to solidify the socialist system.

dumpcare



http://blog.medicarerights.org/paying-less-affordable-care-act-repeal/

Together with Medicare and Medicaid, the Affordable Care Act (ACA) builds health security for people of all ages. To repeal the ACA and delay a meaningful replacement would force families across the country to pay more for less. Our latest issue brief, “Paying More for Less: Affordable Care Act Repeal,” highlights the harmful consequences of repealing the ACA without an immediate replacement for people with Medicare and for many who are just shy of Medicare eligibility.

Almost 30 million Americans could lose health coverage if the ACA is repealed and a replacement is delayed—this includes nearly 20% of older adults ages 55-64. Medicare eligibility begins at age 65 for most, and people ages 55-64 often find it hard to stay in the full-time job market or to find new employment after a job loss, making access to coverage like the ACA critically important.

Additionally, most proposals to replace ACA coverage would shift drastically higher costs to people in their 50’s and 60’s, such as by allowing insurers to charge them higher premiums. Some of the proposals have no restrictions on how high premiums for older adults can go.

For people who already depend on Medicare, full repeal of the ACA without an immediate replacement plan would have wide-ranging and harmful effects, including:

Rolling back improvements to the long-term financial outlook for Medicare, likely leading to higher premiums, deductibles, and cost sharing for people with Medicare.
Reopening the Part D donut hole and hike prescription drug costs. The ACA has saved over $20 billion on prescription drugs for more than 10 million people with Medicare.
Eliminating new coverage for preventive care. In 2015, around 39 million people with Medicare received at least one low-to-no cost preventive service.
Undoing consumer protections for people with Medicare Advantage, such as rules to ensure plans spend 85% of premium dollars on care and don’t impose increased costs for key services, like cancer care.

Some recent plans to repeal the ACA would pass the savings on to the wealthiest Americans in the form of tax cuts. To replace the ACA later, Congress would need to find new savings, and this makes Medicaid and Medicare vulnerable to harmful cuts.

Stay tuned, as we will release further briefs in the coming weeks highlighting the impact of various proposals to change to Medicare, including ending the Medicare guarantee through premium support or vouchers; raising the eligibility age; expanding private contracting between doctors and patients to determine the cost of care; and other potential structural redesigns.

Vikingwoman



PkrBum wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Vikingwoman wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/27/these-coal-country-voters-backed-trump-now-theyre-worried-about-losing-obamacare/?utm_term=.486964870746

I can't help but laugh at these stupid ass's!

Interesting.... Here is an excerpt from your article:

Last night, CNN aired a terrific segment on people from coal country who voted for Donald Trump — but are now worried that his vow to repeal Obamacare will deprive them of crucial protections that enable them to stay afloat financially. This dovetails with other reporting that suggests a lot of Trump voters may be harmed by repeal of the law.

Which raises a question: Did voters such as these know they were voting for this? After all, Trump promised countless times throughout the campaign to repeal the Affordable Care Act, didn’t he? If they are complaining about this now, don’t they have only themselves to blame?


Yes they knew he said he would repeal Obamacare but thought he really wouldn't. Whut? What do you call that? One woman's husband needs a liver transplant yet she voted for Trump and is now scared?

https://ky.aflcio.org/news/vox-why-obamacare-enrollees-voted-trump

All she can do now is to pay her 6 or 8 thousand dollar deductible... how easy is that? On top of skyrocketing premiums? Obamacaid created more problems than it solved... it was designed to fail. Your dear leaders are afraid that it can be salvaged and postpone further their completely socialist system. But don't tell the others... ok?

You tell me how easy that is to pay a 6 or 8 thousand dollar deductible when you're making minimum wage? This is why you are so clueless.

2seaoat



You tell me how easy that is to pay a 6 or 8 thousand dollar deductible when you're making minimum wage? This is why you are so clueless.


Clueless is being polite. It is worse than that.......it is an evil paradigm of F'em, they are lazy and poor. I see these people every month, and most have worked their whole life contributing taxes and working at the poverty level busting their aszes. The wealthy have propagandized such that the fools here call people comrades because we have a government and collect taxes. You just cannot handicap stupidity. I am in Navarre listening to tens of thousands of dollars of bombs every night being exploded in training exercises, fuel being expended and the stores full of military people who are on the government teat, but rich people control MIC and they make huge profits making war and spending on the military budget, but Americans suffering.....hell lets build a school in Iraq, leave equipment in Iraq, and build power plants......why.....because MIC profits and the folks who think this corporate welfare is ok, but providing health care for Americans is communism......please....get a clue. Tom Cotton today said Putin is afraid of Trump because Trump is going to expand military spending......and HIllary was not going to expand military spending. So people are going to suffer, we will slip backwards, and many people will realize the black guy was right, and racism has a price to pay.

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