See you folks in a few weeks, need a break

Sal wrote:Wrong answer.

The basket of deplorables have been programmed to burn the mission down.

They need to be stomped into submission and/or relegated to the dustbin of history.

Their behavior and choices are neither forgivable nor redeemable.  

knothead wrote:I have to agree with Linda here . . . . . yes we can be happy if the Dems carry the day but as she articulated so well there is no class in spiking the ball in the end zone . . . . . the healing of divisions must begin somewhere and I would be proud to know my ideological side was the one who took the first step forward (toward reconciliation and redemption) to heal longstanding feuds and disagreements.

othershoe1030 wrote:I agree with both Linda and Knothead. I credit the numerous right wing and flaming talk shows along with right wing alt. right web sites as well as Fox News (and while I'm at it) the candidates from the GOP who have plotted, supported and agreed with above mentioned dispensers of "information", no, make that propaganda for the emergence of Trump from the political swamp we are now trying to drain.

There are certain personality types, authoritarian personalities to be specific, who will always be attracted to candidates such as Trump. Trump is a master at speaking to these people. He has taken advantage of the decades of work that has gone into cultivating this pseudo patriotic, anti-government, pro-unfettered capitalism, quasi-Christian block of voters. He said all the things in a politically incorrect way that appealed to the pent up anger stewing there after President Obama's first and second election. Those voters were ready for him. He just took over the latent movement that had been built by others.

That being said I think the job now, somehow will be to try and nibble away at the edges of this group to try and talk them off the ledge. The left needs to basically re-inform or educate them in the reality of climate change, the need to reform the tax code, tell them about the wealth gap and the reasons for it, etc.

Not only is Hillary slated to win but we are in good shape to take back the Senate too. Think of Chuck Schumer as Senate Majority Leader and Bernie as the chairman of the budget committee. We don't have to spike the ball in the  end zone. For two years we will have the upper hand without the drag of a destroyed economy to repair that was such a problem for Obama.

Excluding flat out racists, misogynists, etc. I find most of the ardent Trump supporters guilty of failing to do their homework, of limiting their sources of political information to the narrow slanted sources cited above. Garbage in, garbage out. They will need time to recover from the loss. Further alienating them only adds to the problem. 20% or more will never change, the rest might listen to reason. 

Sal wrote:If y'all have failed to notice, the wingnutz are not only vowing to continue their obstruction should Hillary be elected, they also are hinting at rejection of the election process and even armed sedition.

Sorry, no holding hands and singing kumbaya for me.

These reactionaries and reprobates must be wiped out completely and the earth salted where they once stood.

Wordslinger wrote:The campaigns will end on November 8.  Either Trump or Hillary will be elected.  The problems that divide us will continue and things will have to get a lot worse before they can get better.

I will never shake hands with a racist, or someone who approves of sexual abuse, or someone who would take away a woman's right to choose. Or anyone who gets elected and sells their soul for corrupt campaign financing.  Fuck them and all the horses they ride!

Fuck them all, no compromise.  I wish every one of them severe chest pains for the rest of the year.

Down with Amerika Inc., corporate control of our government through corrupt campaign financing.  

2seaoat wrote:Sorry, no holding hands and singing kumbaya for me.

Agree.  The veto of extremist to actually implementing sound policy for Americans is not something you compromise.

The path to change and the conversion of Trump supporters may not be completely clear but poking a finger in their eye and calling them names will definitely not win any hearts and minds.

I am not concerned one little bit in changing or converting a Trump supporter.  Do I use counter clever propaganda to fool them to sane policy?  Do I somehow turn their racism into a compromise that my grandson's cousin is a lesser human being because he is non white?  Not interested.   I think the solution is good sound policy and programs which help Americans, and not the 1%, this Kumbaya mentality is offensive to me who has spent a lifetime fighting prejudice and working for sound programs for the American people.   To give the veto power to stupid by some strange idea that civility will make Trump suporters convert to folks who see a Mexican, Muslim, or Black person as their equal, is probably the most patronizing idea I have heard advanced in a journey for sane policy choices in America.

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Sorry, no holding hands and singing kumbaya for me.

Agree.  The veto of extremist to actually implementing sound policy for Americans is not something you compromise.

The path to change and the conversion of Trump supporters may not be completely clear but poking a finger in their eye and calling them names will definitely not win any hearts and minds.

I am not concerned one little bit in changing or converting a Trump supporter.  Do I use counter clever propaganda to fool them to sane policy?  Do I somehow turn their racism into a compromise that my grandson's cousin is a lesser human being because he is non white?  Not interested.   I think the solution is good sound policy and programs which help Americans, and not the 1%, this Kumbaya mentality is offensive to me who has spent a lifetime fighting prejudice and working for sound programs for the American people.   To give the veto power to stupid by some strange idea that civility will make Trump suporters convert to folks who see a Mexican, Muslim, or Black person as their equal, is probably the most patronizing idea I have heard advanced in a journey for sane policy choices in America.

I guess I'm not expressing myself very well this morning. I did not mean to imply that the ardent Trump supporters and racists among them could be persuaded to a more rational way of thinking but only by sticking to the goal of reforms as outlined by Bernie and continuing to push forward the reality of science could we hope to sway them, those who are voting for Trump grudgingly, not the 'all in' as you say stupids.

It is going to be a long haul of year by year work. Trump is on the verge of trying to turn himself in to a martyr and gathering his minions for his new tv channel so unfortunately we will have him to put up with for as long as all this attention is to his liking.

The only bright side I can see at this point is that Trump has started a huuuge war within the R party and surely liberals can take advantage of their disarray.

Sal wrote:Willful ignorance, intolerance, and bigotry are cancers on the body politic.

The Republicans have nurtured these characteristics in their base and look where it's gotten us.

The only way treat these diseases is to isolate them, ostracize them, and ultimately snuff them out of society.

Wordslinger wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Sorry, no holding hands and singing kumbaya for me.

Agree.  The veto of extremist to actually implementing sound policy for Americans is not something you compromise.

The path to change and the conversion of Trump supporters may not be completely clear but poking a finger in their eye and calling them names will definitely not win any hearts and minds.

I am not concerned one little bit in changing or converting a Trump supporter.  Do I use counter clever propaganda to fool them to sane policy?  Do I somehow turn their racism into a compromise that my grandson's cousin is a lesser human being because he is non white?  Not interested.   I think the solution is good sound policy and programs which help Americans, and not the 1%, this Kumbaya mentality is offensive to me who has spent a lifetime fighting prejudice and working for sound programs for the American people.   To give the veto power to stupid by some strange idea that civility will make Trump suporters convert to folks who see a Mexican, Muslim, or Black person as their equal, is probably the most patronizing idea I have heard advanced in a journey for sane policy choices in America.

I guess I'm not expressing myself very well this morning. I did not mean to imply that the ardent Trump supporters and racists among them could be persuaded to a more rational way of thinking but only by sticking to the goal of reforms as outlined by Bernie and continuing to push forward the reality of science could we hope to sway them, those who are voting for Trump grudgingly, not the 'all in' as you say stupids.

It is going to be a long haul of year by year work. Trump is on the verge of trying to turn himself in to a martyr and gathering his minions for his new tv channel so unfortunately we will have him to put up with for as long as all this attention is to his liking.

The only bright side I can see at this point is that Trump has started a huuuge war within the R party and surely liberals can take advantage of their disarray.

Dear OS:  What you long for is the brotherhood that was supposed to extend from sea to shining sea.  Unfortunately, what we're actually facing is more like The Shining.  

If the hard right T-Partiers want to survive, let them do the changing.  If not, fuck'm all.  

Sal wrote:Willful ignorance, intolerance, and bigotry are cancers on the body politic.

The Republicans have nurtured these characteristics in their base and look where it's gotten us.

The only way to treat these diseases is to isolate them, ostracize them, and ultimately snuff them out of society.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Sal wrote:Willful ignorance, intolerance, and bigotry are cancers on the body politic.

The Republicans have nurtured these characteristics in their base and look where it's gotten us.

The only way to treat these diseases is to isolate them, ostracize them, and ultimately snuff them out of society.

Yes. Isolation works for me. Send them all to deep red states and let them vote their hearts out without contaminating the rest of the country. Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, those look good to me.

othershoe1030 wrote:There are two different groups in this equation. One is the more fluid group of voters who can easily switch party registration or voting patterns. Those are the people I think liberals should work on to try and get them to look at the scientific facts of climate change and the rest of the progressive issues.

On the other hand there is the leadership of the GOP, a much more solid group. With them there is basically no hope of seeing any change. They would rather go down with their misguided ship than change course as they have so clearly demonstrated by their failure to adjust their policies to make them appealing to a larger group of voters. They face the problem that if they change they no longer feel like Republicans of old. They are incapable of evolving; they are too rigid. They are doomed at the national level at this point because they are on the wrong side of history on so many issues.

Telstar wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:There are two different groups in this equation. One is the more fluid group of voters who can easily switch party registration or voting patterns. Those are the people I think liberals should work on to try and get them to look at the scientific facts of climate change and the rest of the progressive issues.

On the other hand there is the leadership of the GOP, a much more solid group. With them there is basically no hope of seeing any change. They would rather go down with their misguided ship than change course as they have so clearly demonstrated by their failure to adjust their policies to make them appealing to a larger group of voters. They face the problem that if they change they no longer feel like Republicans of old. They are incapable of evolving; they are too rigid. They are doomed at the national level at this point because they are on the wrong side of history on so many issues.