The DNC, Debbie Shultz, and Crooked Hillary

PkrBum wrote:Off topic... while intellectually disconnected from hillary's vast insider, monied, elite, and foriegn relationships. There's really no comparrison in this catagory.

Wordslinger wrote:I think that Trump does, in fact, get many things right. About our stupid negotiators in both economic and foreign policy.  Unfortunately for us all, the things he gets wrong are terribly wrong.  Hitler, you know, did build the Autobahn, and the first Volkswagen.  And Mussolini got the Italian trains running on time.

With the exposure of emails that attest to the DNC doing all they could to bury Sanders, they've built and entered their own self-mutilation machine.  What's apparent to all of us who love Bernie, is that Hillary won by cheating.  What's the descriptive Trump uses -- "Crooked Hillary?"  He's right on that one.  And Debbie Shultz was the quarterback.  And the dems are still going to let Debbie open their convention with the first speech.  Which, of course, will be roundly booed.  Hillary is doomed, and so are we all

When pressed on the issue, Hillary, as expected, sticks her double chin in the air and snaps:  " I can't speak for anything done by others, I'm only responsible for my campaign."

Crooked Hillary.

If you wrote this shit into a movie no one would believe it.    

But it would be clear who was the hero, and who were the heavies.   Feel the Bern?

Saul Alinsky wrote:

A couple of points ...

First, the comments that Trump has made about renegotiating economic and foreign policy are so absurd on their face that they have already damaged America's standing in the world.

Second, DWS is out and will not be speaking from the podium or participating in the convention in any capacity.  Good riddance.

And finally, can you please provide some evidence from the DNC emails that they were "doing all they could to bury Sanders"?

The most infamous email that I've seen shows two DNC officials intemperately discussing a strategy that might be employed against Sanders - a strategy that the Clinton campaign never used.

The worst that anyone can claim is that the emails show a slight bias at the DNC in favor of the loyal, longtime, Democratic establishment candidate over an insurgent candidate who publicly declared that he was only running as a Democrat to use DNC resources.

Shocking!!??

Saul Alinsky wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:I think that Trump does, in fact, get many things right. About our stupid negotiators in both economic and foreign policy.  Unfortunately for us all, the things he gets wrong are terribly wrong.  Hitler, you know, did build the Autobahn, and the first Volkswagen.  And Mussolini got the Italian trains running on time.

With the exposure of emails that attest to the DNC doing all they could to bury Sanders, they've built and entered their own self-mutilation machine.  What's apparent to all of us who love Bernie, is that Hillary won by cheating.  What's the descriptive Trump uses -- "Crooked Hillary?"  He's right on that one.  And Debbie Shultz was the quarterback.  And the dems are still going to let Debbie open their convention with the first speech.  Which, of course, will be roundly booed.  Hillary is doomed, and so are we all

When pressed on the issue, Hillary, as expected, sticks her double chin in the air and snaps:  " I can't speak for anything done by others, I'm only responsible for my campaign."

Crooked Hillary.

If you wrote this shit into a movie no one would believe it.    

But it would be clear who was the hero, and who were the heavies.   Feel the Bern?

A couple of points ...

First, the comments that Trump has made about renegotiating economic and foreign policy are so absurd on their face that they have already damaged America's standing in the world.

Second, DWS is out and will not be speaking from the podium or participating in the convention in any capacity.  Good riddance.

And finally, can you please provide some evidence from the DNC emails that they were "doing all they could to bury Sanders"?

The most infamous email that I've seen shows two DNC officials intemperately discussing a strategy that might be employed against Sanders - a strategy that the Clinton campaign never used.

The worst that anyone can claim is that the emails show a slight bias at the DNC in favor of the loyal, longtime, Democratic establishment candidate over an insurgent candidate who publicly declared that he was only running as a Democrat to use DNC resources.

Shocking!!??

VectorMan wrote:They were also looking at using his religion against. His Jewishness. Can you say anti-Semitic, Sherlock?

You're just as fake as the rest of the libtards.

Hold on! The ride gets a little bumpy from here. LOL

2seaoat wrote:She is the scapegoat.   The party favored Hillary deep into that organization, but the party needed a scapegoat.   Much of the populism in America is rooted in dark antisemitism and the belief that the banks are controlled by jews, even though most today are public traded corporations.   So an abrasive advocate who helped get President Obama elected in 2012 and worked very hard to get an elected democrat in 2016 is the "Jewish scapegoat", because to not recognize historical antisemitism in the Democratic Party is to be blind to the fascism which Donald Trump is now selling to America.  Sadly, she recognizes what is going on, and she will struggle for her seat as Cantor struggled for his seat in that growing populism which connects Jews to Banking and Wall Street.

I remain a Republican because the Party of Lincoln used to be the fair party for all Americans.   This idea that Democrats are pure is simply not true in regard to historic populism.   However, scapegoating Schultz is far better than allowing a fascist to take the White House.   Ike knew in invading Normandy that there would be 10k who could be sacrificed for the greater good.   This battle of good over evil is complex, but the evil is well defined.  The question is will America again find good?

2seaoat wrote:Cantor struggled for his seat in that growing populism which connects Jews to Banking and Wall Street.

RealLindaL wrote:

Saul Alinsky wrote:

A couple of points ...

First, the comments that Trump has made about renegotiating economic and foreign policy are so absurd on their face that they have already damaged America's standing in the world.

Second, DWS is out and will not be speaking from the podium or participating in the convention in any capacity.  Good riddance.

And finally, can you please provide some evidence from the DNC emails that they were "doing all they could to bury Sanders"?

The most infamous email that I've seen shows two DNC officials intemperately discussing a strategy that might be employed against Sanders - a strategy that the Clinton campaign never used.

The worst that anyone can claim is that the emails show a slight bias at the DNC in favor of the loyal, longtime, Democratic establishment candidate over an insurgent candidate who publicly declared that he was only running as a Democrat to use DNC resources.

Shocking!!??

Excellent post, Sal.  With you 100% on all this, except, I have to confess, on the "good riddance" to DWC.   There was a time when I had great hopes for her, and I still think she has a lot to offer, but will admit she's disappointed me and others in the past year to the point where I was questioning my earlier judgment.  So, while I can see she has to go now, I'm just feeling a little down about it, is all.

Saul Alinsky wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:I think that Trump does, in fact, get many things right. About our stupid negotiators in both economic and foreign policy.  Unfortunately for us all, the things he gets wrong are terribly wrong.  Hitler, you know, did build the Autobahn, and the first Volkswagen.  And Mussolini got the Italian trains running on time.

With the exposure of emails that attest to the DNC doing all they could to bury Sanders, they've built and entered their own self-mutilation machine.  What's apparent to all of us who love Bernie, is that Hillary won by cheating.  What's the descriptive Trump uses -- "Crooked Hillary?"  He's right on that one.  And Debbie Shultz was the quarterback.  And the dems are still going to let Debbie open their convention with the first speech.  Which, of course, will be roundly booed.  Hillary is doomed, and so are we all

When pressed on the issue, Hillary, as expected, sticks her double chin in the air and snaps:  " I can't speak for anything done by others, I'm only responsible for my campaign."

Crooked Hillary.

If you wrote this shit into a movie no one would believe it.    

But it would be clear who was the hero, and who were the heavies.   Feel the Bern?

A couple of points ...

First, the comments that Trump has made about renegotiating economic and foreign policy are so absurd on their face that they have already damaged America's standing in the world.

Second, DWS is out and will not be speaking from the podium or participating in the convention in any capacity.  Good riddance.

And finally, can you please provide some evidence from the DNC emails that they were "doing all they could to bury Sanders"?

The most infamous email that I've seen shows two DNC officials intemperately discussing a strategy that might be employed against Sanders - a strategy that the Clinton campaign never used.

The worst that anyone can claim is that the emails show a slight bias at the DNC in favor of the loyal, longtime, Democratic establishment candidate over an insurgent candidate who publicly declared that he was only running as a Democrat to use DNC resources.

Shocking!!??

2seaoat wrote:.....but I am helping to encourage anti-semitsim......

Floridatexan wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:
Excellent post, Sal.  With you 100% on all this, except, I have to confess, on the "good riddance" to DWC.   There was a time when I had great hopes for her, and I still think she has a lot to offer, but will admit she's disappointed me and others in the past year to the point where I was questioning my earlier judgment.  So, while I can see she has to go now, I'm just feeling a little down about it, is all.

She's in my FB feed.  When she voiced opposition to the CFPB, I let her know I wasn't happy about it.  I'm disappointed, too, Linda.

2seaoat wrote:Cantor deserved to lose his seat, and it had nothing to do with his being Jewish.

Statements like yours do nothing but help to encourage anti-Semitism.


You do live in the bubble.  His redistricting was more rural and christian, and in fact many people believe the same made his religion incompatible to his new district.   I agree.  If you do not see the same with Schultz in part, then that bubble is complete.   The history of popular movements in America has been rank with antisemitism........but I am helping to encourage anti-semitsim.......wow......pick up a history book.


http://forward.com/opinion/199982/did-eric-cantor-lose-because-hes-jewish-you-betch/

Saul Alinsky wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Off topic... while intellectually disconnected from hillary's vast insider, monied, elite, and foriegn relationships. There's really no comparrison in this catagory.

The policy proposals and platforms are there in black and white, available to all to compare and constrast.

Here's a novel idea - stick to the facts instead of dark conjecture and ominous demagoguery for once.

2seaoat wrote:Bubble schmubble

I guess you did not see the nature of the disruptions tonight.....populism has a deep tradition of anti-semitism, and the fact remains, that it is not just Republicans who are bigots.......the far left has always harbored the same in American politics ........bubble schmubble.......yesssssssireeeeeee.