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Bernie Sanders continues to get trolled by the republican party

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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/26/trump-willing-to-debate-sanders-before-california-primary.html

Trump willing to debate Sanders before California primary


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Here's how it will go...


Trump:  I want to thank Sanders for agreeing to this debate.  Sanders is a great guy.  A wonderful guy.  He is a wonderful candidate.  And he has been treated very unfairly.  He has been treated very unfairly by Hillary Clinton and the democratic party.  They need to dump Wasserman Shultz.  Sanders should have been the nominee but he was robbed.  The system is rigged against him and his supporters.  I really feel for Sander's supporters.

Sanders:  The democratic process has been subverted.  The system is rigged in the democratic party! Where is Hillary?!? She refused to debate me! (roaring FOX News applause)


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I think Bernie would tear Trump's policies and positions to shreds. I do not see him bad mouthing Clinton when he could have easily leveraged the email nonsense to hurt her. I think it would be brilliant for the Democrats to use Bernie as a surrogate to take on Trump and identify FURTHER how utterly incompetent Trump is. Bernie gains nothing by bad mouthing Clinton at this juncture and has everything to gain before the California primary by shredding Trump. Win for Bernie.....Win for Hillary.......Win for Democrats.

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2seaoat wrote:I think Bernie would tear Trump's policies and positions to shreds.  I do not see him bad mouthing Clinton when he could have easily leveraged the email nonsense to hurt her.  I think it would be brilliant for the Democrats to use Bernie as a surrogate to take on Trump and identify FURTHER how utterly incompetent Trump is.   Bernie gains nothing by bad mouthing Clinton at this juncture and has everything to gain before the California primary by shredding Trump.   Win for Bernie.....Win for Hillary.......Win for Democrats.



Agreed. It would do nothing but help Bernie. Would be interesting to see how some of Bernie's more zealous supporters would react.

Sal

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If he sticks to attacking Trump, fine.

If, however, he chooses to use that forum to attack the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party should come down on him like a ton of bricks in the form of loss of all committee assignments, forfeiture of all DNC resources, and formal censure.

2seaoat



Uncle Bernie is a smart guy. He knows that the super delegates would flock to Clinton if Bernie used the debate as an attack against Clinton. However, if he shreds Trump which is certain, and sticks to the issues......many super delegates could be drawn to him if he then kicks asz in California. He has really not attacked Clinton in the primary. He knows to do such only gets the policies of the 1% enhanced, but Trump making fun of Bernie.......he will trash trump.

Wordslinger

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Trump and Bernie's supporters are driven by the same issue: hate for the establishment of both parties.

Trump knows he hurts Hillary badly if he simply smartly puts forward his issues and lets Bernie do the same. Because these two leaders have very strong support from their followings, Hillary's absence from the debate is a wound from which she may not recover. The audience will perceive Trump and Bernie to be the real leading candidates.

Trump doesn't have to say anything about Hillary and neither does Bernie. Her absence and the lack of conversation about her speaks volumes.

Bernie can take Trump. Hillary can't.

Reality.

Floridatexan

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Salinsky wrote:If he sticks to attacking Trump, fine.

If, however, he chooses to use that forum to attack the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party should come down on him like a ton of bricks in the form of loss of all committee assignments, forfeiture of all DNC resources, and formal censure.

Absolute crap. He has every right to run. He doesn't have to bow and scrape to Hillary Clinton, nor is he damaging the party by continuing his campaign. He has brought issues that matter to me and should matter to you into the sunshine, and he continually identifies areas that need structural change...and not baby steps, but real revision. I'm sorry if you've had virtual encounters with Bernie supporters who may be less than cordial, but that's no reason to attack Sanders.

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Floridatexan wrote:
Salinsky wrote:If he sticks to attacking Trump, fine.

If, however, he chooses to use that forum to attack the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party should come down on him like a ton of bricks in the form of loss of all committee assignments, forfeiture of all DNC resources, and formal censure.

Absolute crap.  He has every right to run.  He doesn't have to bow and scrape to Hillary Clinton, nor is he damaging the party by continuing his campaign.  He has brought issues that matter to me and should matter to you into the sunshine, and he continually identifies areas that need structural change...and not baby steps, but real revision.  I'm sorry if you've had virtual encounters with Bernie supporters who may be less than cordial, but that's no reason to attack Sanders.  


He's damaging the party and boosting Trump when he tells his supporters that the system is rigged against him. This is flat out bullshit and hypocritical - particularly when you consider the fact thathe has absolutely no chance of winning the popular vote. Meaning, Sander's only path to victory would be if the DNC were to disregard the 3 million vote margin that Clinton has amassed and instead were to use superdelegates to hand the nomination to Sanders.


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I do not think Bernie is hurting the Democratic Party. I think he is doing exactly what Hillary did in 2008, and if he gets his asz kicked in California......I would tend to agree with you, but most of that popular vote came from the south in the early primaries as black voters who have always been loyal to the clintons overwhelming voted for Hillary, but in recent primaries Bernie has been holding his own. I personally think Hillary cannot be hurt. She is simply the best candidate running and any intelligent person can see the same. Again, Bernie has deficits which have not been exposed by Hillary, but would be attacked by Republicans. How could the Republican attack machine do anything more to Hillary who has withstood the same like a duck watching water fall off its feathers.......no Bernie is good for democrats......and when the time comes he will absolutely support Hillary, or she will support him, but the fat lady has not sung, and a good debate which exposes Trump is good. Hillary will win. I still think a third party candidate in the Libertarian party will take more Trump voters than Hillary and that the advantage to Hillary has not been shown in the polls because that choice has not yet materialized.

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boards of FL wrote:Here's how it will go...


Trump:  I want to thank Sanders for agreeing to this debate.  Sanders is a great guy.  A wonderful guy.  He is a wonderful candidate.  And he has been treated very unfairly.  He has been treated very unfairly by Hillary Clinton and the democratic party.  They need to dump Wasserman Shultz.  Sanders should have been the nominee but he was robbed.  The system is rigged against him and his supporters.  I really feel for Sander's supporters.

Sanders:  The democratic process has been subverted.  The system is rigged in the democratic party! Where is Hillary?!?  She refused to debate me!  (roaring FOX News applause)

Sadly, I think Boards' scenario here is absolutely the most likely.  And if that's the way it plays out, for anyone to think that's gonna be good for Hillary-- think again.   It will be deadly.  

The only thing that might turn that around some would be if Trump crushed Bernie on issues in the course of the debate -- but even if he could, he won't, because letting Bernie "win" can't hurt Trump much since Bernie isn't gonna be the Democratic nominee, while in fact it could make Trump appear more likeable if he treats a supposed opponent (even a faux one) with kid gloves for a change, thus winning Trump more votes.   Plus there's the serious potential negative fallout of Hillary's not being on the scene at all, and the general anti-party-favorite-candidate fallout implied in Boards' above scenario.  

I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with a total banishment of Bernie as a candidate for agreeing to this debate -- if he really goes ahead with it -- but it certainly would royally pisz me and a lot of other people off.   I liked Bernie as a person in the beginning but am liking him less and less as time goes on, as I think his true hard-headed, militant revolutionary colors are showing.   Someone here, I think, once said Bernie was stuck in the 1960's, and I'm afraid they're right.  That's an era I was right in the middle of.  Scared me then and still does.

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Salinsky wrote:If he sticks to attacking Trump, fine.

If, however, he chooses to use that forum to attack the presumptive nominee of the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party should come down on him like a ton of bricks in the form of loss of all committee assignments, forfeiture of all DNC resources, and formal censure.

Sometimes you're a real ass Sal. When the DNC comes down with a punishment for Bernie like the one you describe -- Bernie's supporters divorce themselves from the party en masse. The DNC will have slit its own throat. If Bernie's fans vote for Trump in revenge, Hillary loses. If Bernie's fans simply stay home on election day, Hillary loses.

Try again Pal. You're beginning to foam at the mouth over Hillary's rapidly descending popularity.

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At some point America will stop this junior high popularity contest, and recognize that substantive policy does matter and experience concerning the same matters. Bernie is NOT hurting Hillary, and the enthusiasm he has generated and his unwillingness to just tuck his head into his shell is absolutely what the man has been saying on Fridays on the Thom Hartman show for years. He has argued that Democrats always compromise their principles and that Republicans do not, and that the result has been this country has adopted dangerous and self destructive policy, and that the only way to counter this trend is to become strident in support of the right policies. For anybody who has followed Bernie as I have, you should know that he will NOT give up on the issues and that his central tenet is that this strident pushing of the right issues will ultimately result in success for progressives and the issues they hold dear, and will get America back on a sane track.

This idea that Bernie is hurting Hillary is sophomoric. Hillary is hurting Hillary. Bernie has done NOTHING to change America's perception of her, and her high negatives were always there......so the bottom line is that America will at some juncture realize that Hillary's experience and tenacity are the only rational choice when talking about Donald Trump, and if Trump is elected then not much else matters because this country is in a very bad place which Bernie has done NOTHING to get us there, and scapegoating Bernie is denial of that potential sad reality.

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RealLindaL wrote:
boards of FL wrote:Here's how it will go...


Trump:  I want to thank Sanders for agreeing to this debate.  Sanders is a great guy.  A wonderful guy.  He is a wonderful candidate.  And he has been treated very unfairly.  He has been treated very unfairly by Hillary Clinton and the democratic party.  They need to dump Wasserman Shultz.  Sanders should have been the nominee but he was robbed.  The system is rigged against him and his supporters.  I really feel for Sander's supporters.

Sanders:  The democratic process has been subverted.  The system is rigged in the democratic party! Where is Hillary?!?  She refused to debate me!  (roaring FOX News applause)

Sadly, I think Boards' scenario here is absolutely the most likely.  And if that's the way it plays out, for anyone to think that's gonna be good for Hillary-- think again.   It will be deadly.  

The only thing that might turn that around some would be if Trump crushed Bernie on issues in the course of the debate -- but even if he could, he won't, because letting Bernie "win" can't hurt Trump much since Bernie isn't gonna be the Democratic nominee, while in fact it could make Trump appear more likeable if he treats a supposed opponent (even a faux one) with kid gloves for a change, thus winning Trump more votes.   Plus there's the serious potential negative fallout of Hillary's not being on the scene at all, and the general anti-party-favorite-candidate fallout implied in Boards' above scenario.  

I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with a total banishment of Bernie as a candidate for agreeing to this debate -- if he really goes ahead with it -- but it certainly would royally pisz me and a lot of other people off.   I liked Bernie as a person in the beginning but am liking him less and less as time goes on, as I think his true hard-headed, militant revolutionary colors are showing.   Someone here, I think, once said Bernie was stuck in the 1960's, and I'm afraid they're right.  That's an era I was right in the middle of.  Scared me then and still does.

On policy, there's no way Trump could win a debate against Sanders.  All he could do is talk over him a la Bill O'Reilly, Joe Scarborough, or Rush Limbaugh...because Trump really doesn't have the background or the knowledge to prevail.  He may be crafty, but I don't think he's really all that bright...and reviving the Clinton sex scandal...trying to lay blame on Hillary for any of that...please someone remember Ivana Trump...a really nasty divorce, also in the 90's...when she accused him of sexual assault and pulling out her hair.  Trump is a ticking time bomb with a short fuse.

Edit: I really don't see why a Sanders/Trump debate should bother anyone. That's the heart of our democratic process.

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The problem is that sexual assault and pulling hair by Trump would probably appeal to his base.....now if he started talking about reparations......see ya.

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" On policy, there's no way Trump could win a debate against Sanders."

Hahaha... the dude is a socialist. A tin can could shred that fallacy. All trump would have to do is use examples.

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PkrBum wrote:" On policy, there's no way Trump could win a debate against Sanders."

Hahaha... the dude is a socialist. A tin can could shred that fallacy. All trump would have to do is use examples.

Examples? Like Trump Mortgage? Like Trump U, for which he's being sued in several states? Trump is nothing but a brand...he even markets his name only, for a price...and when the development with his name on it doesn't get off the ground...well, caveat emptor, suckers. How about his comments on the housing crisis in 2007, as things started to go south...he was absolutely gloating, because he expected to profit. Trump is scum...mob ties...exporting jobs...inciting the basest of human instincts...a liar...a legend in his own mind...a reality TV star on the big stage...it's yuuuuge. Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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PkrBum wrote:" On policy, there's no way Trump could win a debate against Sanders."

Hahaha... the dude is a socialist. A tin can could shred that fallacy. All trump would have to do is use examples.

Like Sweden, Norway, Denmark? You always leave yourself in a hole. Keep digging ... LOL

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Looks like Trump has now backed out.

Trump's just-released statement:

“Based on the fact that the Democratic nominating process is totally rigged and crooked Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman Schultz will not allow Bernie Sanders to win, it seems inappropriate that I would debate the second place finisher.”


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boards of FL wrote:Looks like Trump has now backed out.

Trump's just-released statement:

“Based on the fact that the Democratic nominating process is totally rigged and crooked Hillary Clinton and Debbie Wasserman Schultz will not allow Bernie Sanders to win, it seems inappropriate that I would debate the second place finisher.”



Once a coward always a coward.

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Maybe at the next Wrestlemania they will have a match where Donny is forced to wear a chicken costume.

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Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:" On policy, there's no way Trump could win a debate against Sanders."

Hahaha... the dude is a socialist. A tin can could shred that fallacy. All trump would have to do is use examples.

Like Sweden, Norway, Denmark? You always leave yourself in a hole. Keep digging ... LOL

Try venezuela or n.korea comrade... even russia and china are headed in the opposite direction.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of-scandinavian-socialism/

Bernie Sanders has single-handedly brought the term “democratic socialism” into the contemporary American political lexicon and shaken millions of Millennials out of their apathy towards politics. Even if he does not win the Democratic nomination, his impact on American politics will be evident for years to come.

Sanders has convinced a great number of people that things have been going very badly for the great majority of people in the United States, for a very long time. His solution? America must embrace “democratic socialism,” a socioeconomic system that seemingly works very well in the Scandinavian countries, like Sweden, which are, by some measures, better off than the United States.

Democratic socialism purports to combine majority rule with state control of the means of production. However, the Scandinavian countries are not good examples of democratic socialism in action because they aren’t socialist.

In the Scandinavian countries, like all other developed nations, the means of production are primarily owned by private individuals, not the community or the government, and resources are allocated to their respective uses by the market, not government or community planning.

While it is true that the Scandinavian countries provide things like a generous social safety net and universal healthcare, an extensive welfare state is not the same thing as socialism. What Sanders and his supporters confuse as socialism is actually social democracy, a system in which the government aims to promote the public welfare through heavy taxation and spending, within the framework of a capitalist economy. This is what the Scandinavians practice.

In response to Americans frequently referring to his country as socialist, the prime minister of Denmark recently remarked in a lecture at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government,

I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.

The Scandinavians embrace a brand of free-market capitalism that exists in conjunction with a large welfare state, known as the “Nordic Model,” which includes many policies that democratic socialists would likely abhor.

For example, democratic socialists are generally opponents of global capitalism and free trade, but the Scandinavian countries have fully embraced these things. The Economist magazine describes the Scandinavian countries as “stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies.” Perhaps this is why Denmark, Norway, and Sweden rank among the most globalized countries in the entire world. These countries all also rank in the top 10 easiest countries to do business in.

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So mind numbing stupid.....Bernie Sanders has NEVER talked about ending private ownership....pure BS and as usual from our innuendo fountain.....unsustainable......but I am glad you are for Trump over Clinton......it is an IQ test.

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