Bernie in Vatican City?

SheWrites wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/politics/bernie-sanders-pope-francis-vatican-visit/

Joanimaroni wrote:And the Saudis finance her.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:And the Saudis finance her.

Really? Not too surprising though, more of the power players. Where did you hear this?

Who are you leaning toward at this point?

Salinsky wrote:The Pope wouldn't meet Bernie, so he waited in the lobby at 4am, when he knew the Pope was leaving and buttonholed him so he could say he had a face-to-face.

I'm becoming very cynical about the Bernie campaign.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Salinsky wrote:The Pope wouldn't meet Bernie, so he waited in the lobby at 4am, when he knew the Pope was leaving and buttonholed him so he could say he had a face-to-face.

I'm becoming very cynical about the Bernie campaign.

Why are you becoming cynical about Bernie's campaign?  He did get to meet with the Pope briefly but the whole conference he spoke to was a good chance to focus on his recurring theme of economic problems and also there are large Catholic populations in states with upcoming primaries so it made sense on that level too.

I'd rather he did what he did than to host some high dollar fund raiser with special interest groups, wouldn't you?

Salinsky wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Salinsky wrote:The Pope wouldn't meet Bernie, so he waited in the lobby at 4am, when he knew the Pope was leaving and buttonholed him so he could say he had a face-to-face.

I'm becoming very cynical about the Bernie campaign.

Why are you becoming cynical about Bernie's campaign?  He did get to meet with the Pope briefly but the whole conference he spoke to was a good chance to focus on his recurring theme of economic problems and also there are large Catholic populations in states with upcoming primaries so it made sense on that level too.

I'd rather he did what he did than to host some high dollar fund raiser with special interest groups, wouldn't you?

Well, first he finagled an invitation to an obscure Vatican conference and mischaracterized it by saying he had been invited to meet with the Pope - he had not.

Then he insisted that they change the program and carve 10 minutes out of a coffee break so that he could speak - he was not invited to speak.

And, then he found out when the Pope would be departing and hung out in the lobby at 4am, so that he could buttonhole the poor guy and claim to have had a face-to-face.

The whole thing was a crass stunt disguised as sanctity.

Barf.

And, although I would prefer our campaigns be publically financed, that is not the way the system is now setup, and fundraisers are an unfortunate but necessary byproduct of the current system.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Salinsky wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Salinsky wrote:The Pope wouldn't meet Bernie, so he waited in the lobby at 4am, when he knew the Pope was leaving and buttonholed him so he could say he had a face-to-face.

I'm becoming very cynical about the Bernie campaign.

Why are you becoming cynical about Bernie's campaign?  He did get to meet with the Pope briefly but the whole conference he spoke to was a good chance to focus on his recurring theme of economic problems and also there are large Catholic populations in states with upcoming primaries so it made sense on that level too.

I'd rather he did what he did than to host some high dollar fund raiser with special interest groups, wouldn't you?

Well, first he finagled an invitation to an obscure Vatican conference and mischaracterized it by saying he had been invited to meet with the Pope - he had not.

Then he insisted that they change the program and carve 10 minutes out of a coffee break so that he could speak - he was not invited to speak.

And, then he found out when the Pope would be departing and hung out in the lobby at 4am, so that he could buttonhole the poor guy and claim to have had a face-to-face.

The whole thing was a crass stunt disguised as sanctity.

Barf.

And, although I would prefer our campaigns be publically financed, that is not the way the system is now setup, and fundraisers are an unfortunate but necessary byproduct of the current system.

Bernie is not having trouble raising money and it is coming from small donations, people across the country. Isn't that a better method than depending on the big rollers? It is a form of voluntary public financing isn't it?

Salinsky wrote:The Pope wouldn't meet Bernie, so he waited in the lobby at 4am, when he knew the Pope was leaving and buttonholed him so he could say he had a face-to-face.

I'm becoming very cynical about the Bernie campaign.

ppaca wrote:Without a congress or senate to work with it really doesn't matter who is President out of the 5 that are currently left.

Hillary and Kasich probably have a better chance of getting anything through the congress.

RealLindaL wrote:

ppaca wrote:Without a congress or senate to work with it really doesn't matter who is President out of the 5 that are currently left.

Hillary and Kasich probably have a better chance of getting anything through the congress.

First you say it doesn't matter, and then you say it may.    

Look, ppaca, am not disagreeing with you as to the likelihood (or not) of successful legislation under any particular president given the current Congress, but I do disagree when you make the flat statement that "...it really doesn't matter who is president."  Oh, yes, it does indeed matter.  There are a couple of little items called foreign policy and international relations that have everything to do with how we're viewed and reacted to on the world stage, and, like it or  not, the president is our standard bearer in that regard.  It matters a LOT.

Salinsky wrote:

RealLindaL wrote:

ppaca wrote:Without a congress or senate to work with it really doesn't matter who is President out of the 5 that are currently left.

Hillary and Kasich probably have a better chance of getting anything through the congress.

First you say it doesn't matter, and then you say it may.    

Look, ppaca, am not disagreeing with you as to the likelihood (or not) of successful legislation under any particular president given the current Congress, but I do disagree when you make the flat statement that "...it really doesn't matter who is president."  Oh, yes, it does indeed matter.  There are a couple of little items called foreign policy and international relations that have everything to do with how we're viewed and reacted to on the world stage, and, like it or  not, the president is our standard bearer in that regard.  It matters a LOT.

There are also SCOTUS nominations.

That is the number one reason to keep the screwballs on the right out of the Oval Office.

ppaca wrote:Without a congress or senate to work with it really doesn't matter who is President out of the 5 that are currently left.

Hillary and Kasich probably have a better chance of getting anything through the congress.

ppaca wrote:I stand by what I said, if you don't have a congress and senate who will compromise and work with the sitting President you don't have foreign policy or international relations anyway.

Joanimaroni wrote:

ppaca wrote:Without a congress or senate to work with it really doesn't matter who is President out of the 5 that are currently left.

Hillary and Kasich probably have a better chance of getting anything through the congress.

I agree....you have to look at the presidential advisors. Obama has Valarie Jarret. ...she never more than steps away and attends all his meetings. She is Iranian and her family still lives there. She was responsible for him going into politics....

Hillary has an Iranian advisor....with her.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Why are you becoming cynical about Bernie's campaign?

Salinsky wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Why are you becoming cynical about Bernie's campaign?

This is a long read, but I thought you might find it useful, othershoe ....

https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.xzly9r4nr

Unfortunately, I've come to the same conclusions the author has regarding Sanders.

I really vacillated between the two Democratic candidates for a long time, being well aware of Hillary's weaknesses and the strength of Sanders' message, before finally settling on Hillary.

I've become more and more satisfied and confident in that decision.

Salinsky wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Why are you becoming cynical about Bernie's campaign?

This is a long read, but I thought you might find it useful, othershoe ....

https://medium.com/@robinalperstein/on-becoming-anti-bernie-ee87943ae699#.xzly9r4nr

Unfortunately, I've come to the same conclusions the author has regarding Sanders.

I really vacillated between the two Democratic candidates for a long time, being well aware of Hillary's weaknesses and the strength of Sanders' message, before finally settling on Hillary.

I've become more and more satisfied and confident in that decision.

knothead wrote:Sal,it was a fairly long read but the points made seem logical to me. As a Democrat and a person concerned over the trajectory of our country it is very sad to have the choices presented to the electorate . . . . but it is what it is I suppose.  Bernie is inflicting serious damage to HRC and alienating a substantial portion of potential support in the general election that is so obviously unnecessary . . . . the price of a loss to either Trump or Cruz will be unimaginable but thanks for posting a well articulated analysis of the ongoing struggle on the Dem side. . . .