Pensacola is the 6th Most Dangerous Small City in America....

These Are America’s 10 Most Dangerous Small Cities
http://www.movoto.com/blog/top-ten/dangerous-small-cities/

If you’re hoping to escape from big city crime, look elsewhere. These places actually defy the stereotype of smaller cities being safer.

6. Pensacola is the first of four cities in Florida that made our top 10 most dangerous places, which also means it’s the most dangerous of the bunch. It also happens to be the smallest by about 10,000 residents. Despite this, it ranks six places higher than the next-most dangerous small Florida city in terms of murder; Pensacola placed 10th overall in that category with 13 homicides per 100,000 residents in 2012.

As for violent crimes in general, Pensacola placed 19th with 656 per 100,000.

Wow, not only are we the 6th most dangerous small city in the U.S., we are the most dangerous small city in Florida!

Glad I left Montclair....

A combination of a failed war on drugs where violent gangs vie for territory and profit from the sale of these drugs, and a Chamber of Commerce and Tourist Industry which thinks addressing gangs will somehow diminish business for Pensacola. They act as if black youth are just naturally violent like the stereotypes of the Irish and Italian gangs in Chicago during prohibition. So the third element is what I usually argue, and the carnage continues as a kid in Pensacola can make a nice living selling drugs while the folks attending Church on Sunday think the war on drugs and legislated morality is independent of the murders which are happening. This is happening all over America, and as usual when you want to find the best of something, go to Chicago where gang violence and territory battles to get a slice of their American dream are now part of the national debate. We need to be talking about those murders.

Unless you propose legalizing ALL drugs... there will still be that problem.

Unless you propose legalizing ALL drugs... there will still be that problem.


Absolutely true! However, I am not trying to pie and sky this thing, but simply reduce violence in America and attack the criminal enterprises existence and glue which perpetuates gang violence in America......street profit from the sale of drugs which requires necessarily gang territory.

To take the profit out of gang violence you really need the free market of pot sales which we now have real world examples to see that government can effectively take the middle man(criminal enterprises) out of filling the demand for the drug. Regulation and taxation will work, but it is easy when talking about pot which is basically harmless, but opiates, cocaine, and heroin will require massive investments in the social costs of drug addiction. Now we are paying for the social costs and violence, so like gun safety, it is not a fool's errand of thinking that somebody can eliminate murders and suicide rather we have to settle for incremental improvements, but most important is gutting drug profits from criminal enterprises.

If you're in South Chicago, it's dangerous.  If you're in other parts of Chicago, it's not.
Same with P'Cola.  Stay away from the dangerous parts and you'll be okay.

If you're in South Chicago, it's dangerous. If you're in other parts of Chicago, it's not.
Same with P'Cola. Stay away from the dangerous parts and you'll be okay.


I agree completely, and would add the addendum that you are probably safer in the safe areas of Pensacola than you are in most of America, and are safer in the safe areas of Chicago than you are in most of America. The unsafe areas are quite simple gang territory where a retail market is fought for with guns and violence as the drug profits feed American violent crime.

You need to look at a crime map of chicago... lol.

PkrBum wrote:You need to look at a crime map of chicago... lol.

I just did.  Stay in the green part.

I have walked the streets of area five red zones depicted in the map in the worst projects in the Nation where gun violence and murder is rampant, but being a white male who looks LEO I was also one of the safest people in America. Until we get over this idea that black people are just naturally violent animals, and understand that poverty breeds opportunity where it can be found and the drug trade which victimized the very people some try to categorize as sub humans or lesser people is an economic war which far closer to what Bernie Sanders is saying and a million miles from what Donald Trump's demagogue scapegoating has accomplished. I think Pensacola is an elite top ten city in America. I think that it has unlimited opportunity if it pulls its head out of the sand and gets a federal task force and attacks the gangs that NOBODY wants to talk about. Hallmark and I would argue for hours about the pain he feels to see this great city decline, and I would argue that in fact it still remains a great city......my only pain now at this point in my life is that I will never get to realize a dream to live in that city.......and like a fool I went for dollars and made money in Santa Rosa County, and wasted so much life not enjoying Rosebud in Bob's backyard. Pensacola is a great city, and the problems are real and fixable, but it will take those good people going to church each Sunday to follow Jesus and be a little less judgmental and give a chit about their fellow man....we can together solve these problems and the demagogues and evil which tries to separate us will never win in America, or Pensacola.

I live in the heart of the city.  There are more black people on my block than white people.  Seven black families (including my next door neighbor) and three white.  There's no crime and no racial strife.

It's all about culture.  Not about race.  There are neighborhoods in the Pensacola area populated by white trash that I wouldn't even ride through.
Just as there are neighborhoods populated by black trash that I wouldn't ride through either.

It's no different anywhere else.

The town I came from in West Virginia had almost no theft. There was little worth stealing. There were plenty of deserted mine shafts to toss the bodies of those that strayed from the path of righteousness.

2seaoat wrote:I have walked the streets of area five red zones depicted in the map in the worst projects in the Nation where gun violence and murder is rampant, but being a white male who looks LEO I was also one of the safest people in America.  Until we get over this idea that black people are just naturally violent animals, and understand that poverty breeds opportunity where it can be found and the drug trade which victimized the very people some try to categorize as sub humans or lesser people is an economic war which far closer to what Bernie Sanders is saying and a million miles from what Donald Trump's demagogue scapegoating has accomplished.   I think Pensacola is an elite top ten city in America.  I think that it has unlimited opportunity if it pulls its head out of the sand and gets a federal task force and attacks the gangs that NOBODY wants to talk about.  Hallmark and I would argue for hours about the pain he feels to see this great city decline, and I would argue that in fact it still remains a great city......my only pain now at this point in my life is that I will never get to realize a dream to live in that city.......and like a fool I went for dollars and made money in Santa Rosa County, and wasted so much life not enjoying Rosebud in Bob's backyard.  Pensacola is a great city, and the problems are real and fixable, but it will take those good people going to church each Sunday to follow Jesus and be a little less judgmental and give a chit about their fellow man....we can together solve these problems and the demagogues and evil which tries to separate us will never win in America, or Pensacola.

Is it just my creative mind or did anyone else hear "We Shall Overcome" "He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother" and "Amazing Grace" as the background music for this post from Oatie?



Documented statistics on Gangs in Florida are all relative to gang bases in Chicago and New York. Drug traffic is all along the Gulf Coast with New Orleans being a crossroad - river traffic north and south and I10 east and west.

I am sure it's the background sound track in his mental production....in spite of the fact black men are responsible for over half the crime in the USA and are only 6% of the population he doesn't accept it...probably never will....deluded by his own will to believe we are all the same....we are not tribally the same in intellect, motivation, temperament...etc....we come from different ancient developmental backgrounds and value systems...We are not even chemically, bodily, or structurally the same.

Documented statistics on Gangs in Florida are all relative to gang bases in Chicago and New York. Drug traffic is all along the Gulf Coast with New Orleans being a crossroad - river traffic north and south and I10 east and west.


I wrote in the PNJ for five years about gangs in Pensacola, and at that time I was very specific about the same. For about a three month period I was pretty tough on the Chambers cover up and conflicts of interest. I expanded the same to take a shot at a PNJ reporter who was in bed in my opinion with the Chamber. I commented about a conflict of interest on a story he had written, and after that I received an email from the general PNJ email to my personal email and without anything being said. I did not provide my personal email to the PNJ and the email I provided for access had NO relationship to myself personally...I got their message. I think a person can find almost anybody's identity online, but I had definitely piszed some people off in LEO and the Chamber talking about gangs.......you can think this subject is pie in the sky, but it is nuts and bolts truth. People are dying in America because of a failed drug war, and some interests would like the war to continue, or make it about an inferior people who are animals and what would you expect......it is those people SHE, I address, and seems to most upset you.

2seaoat wrote:Documented statistics on Gangs in Florida are all relative to gang bases in Chicago and New York. Drug traffic is all along the Gulf Coast with New Orleans being a crossroad - river traffic north and south and I10 east and west.


I wrote in the PNJ for five years about gangs in Pensacola, and at that time I was very specific about the same.  For about a three month period I was pretty tough on the Chambers cover up and conflicts of interest.  I expanded the same to take a shot at a PNJ reporter who was in bed in my opinion with the Chamber.  I commented about a conflict of interest on a story he had written, and after that I received an email from the general PNJ email to my personal email and without anything being said.  I did not provide my personal email to the PNJ and the email I provided for access had NO relationship to myself personally...I got their message.  I think a person can find almost anybody's identity online, but I had definitely piszed some people off in LEO and the Chamber talking about gangs.......you can think this subject is pie in the sky, but it is nuts and bolts truth.  People are dying in America because of a failed drug war, and some interests would like the war to continue, or make it about an inferior people who are animals and what would you expect......it is those people SHE, I address, and seems to most upset you.

I'm not upset. Just like cancer has a cure so does the drug war. People do not want to end what makes big money.

You obviously are on a soap box with this issue as you have stated old conversations on the PNJ forum. People, such as yourself, and many on this forum who do have great ideas and answers to many of the world's ills never get past hitting the send button only to have their post read by folks who read and say interesting with no movement to actually fix a problem. Some things can't be fixed.

Again...money maker and it's not going to change. They know the roots and the avenues that carry the drugs. No one is going to change it.

Just like guns will remain on the streets.

Just like alcohol survived prohibition.

No, actually....in real life I have a track record of actually solving public problems. The gun safety debate and the drug war are more difficult, but even within that realm I have actually in the real world made real world advances to attack abuses. I do not need to pose, I just have more time to converse when it is more difficult to move around now. Small steps. In the old days on the PNJ, the dynamics of public input had a positive impact as the community discussed news and alternatives. Now folks who view our discussions are less than a hundred, but surprisingly our discussions will show results on google searches so the breadth of our discussions are not as limited as you think, but please understand, this is all fun......in the real world integrity means telling the truth which has consequences, and it most certainly can get messy, but here....this is all fun and games as most of us will never meet.

2seaoat wrote:
I wrote in the PNJ for five years about gangs in Pensacola, and at that time I was very specific about the same.  For about a three month period I was pretty tough on the Chambers cover up and conflicts of interest.  I expanded the same to take a shot at a PNJ reporter who was in bed in my opinion with the Chamber.  I commented about a conflict of interest on a story he had written, and after that I received an email from the general PNJ email to my personal email and without anything being said.  I did not provide my personal email to the PNJ and the email I provided for access had NO relationship to myself personally...I got their message.  I think a person can find almost anybody's identity online, but I had definitely piszed some people off in LEO and the Chamber talking about gangs.......you can think this subject is pie in the sky, but it is nuts and bolts truth.  People are dying in America because of a failed drug war, and some interests would like the war to continue, or make it about an inferior people who are animals and what would you expect......it is those people SHE, I address, and seems to most upset you.

But it was the same Chamber which originated that "America's First Settlement" nonsense.  And you defend that.  lol

Even Donald Trump can tell the truth once and awhile.

2seaoat wrote:Even Donald Trump can tell the truth once and awhile.

So can bds.  lol

https://pensacoladiscussion.forumotion.com/t23412-special-post-for-seaoat-check-out-who-the-author-of-this-is-lol#270424

Even Deluna had to leave because of troubles with the natives....

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I am sure it's the background sound track in his mental production....in spite of the fact black men are responsible for over half the crime in the USA and are only 6% of the population he doesn't accept it...probably never will....deluded by his own will to believe we are all the same....we are not tribally the same in intellect, motivation, temperament...etc....we come from different ancient developmental backgrounds and value systems...We are not even chemically, bodily, or structurally the same.

You are an idiot.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I am sure it's the background sound track in his mental production....in spite of the fact black men are responsible for over half the crime in the USA and are only 6% of the population he doesn't accept it...probably never will....deluded by his own will to believe we are all the same....we are not tribally the same in intellect, motivation, temperament...etc....we come from different ancient developmental backgrounds and value systems...We are not even chemically, bodily, or structurally the same.

Do you really believe that,Teo?

Vikingwoman wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I am sure it's the background sound track in his mental production....in spite of the fact black men are responsible for over half the crime in the USA and are only 6% of the population he doesn't accept it...probably never will....deluded by his own will to believe we are all the same....we are not tribally the same in intellect, motivation, temperament...etc....we come from different ancient developmental backgrounds and value systems...We are not even chemically, bodily, or structurally the same.

Do you really believe that,Teo?

It's scientifically demonstrable...but very unpopular....

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Vikingwoman wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I am sure it's the background sound track in his mental production....in spite of the fact black men are responsible for over half the crime in the USA and are only 6% of the population he doesn't accept it...probably never will....deluded by his own will to believe we are all the same....we are not tribally the same in intellect, motivation, temperament...etc....we come from different ancient developmental backgrounds and value systems...We are not even chemically, bodily, or structurally the same.

Do you really believe that,Teo?

It's scientifically demonstrable...but very unpopular....

Here's YOUR tribe...it even resembles you.



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