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Hillary Clinton STUMPED when asked difference between Democrats and Socialists....

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Markle

Hillary Clinton STUMPED when asked difference between Democrats and Socialists....

CONFUSED HILLARY Can’t Explain The Difference Between Democrats and Socialists

Jim Hoft Jan 6th, 2016 10:02 am 53 Comments

Guest post by Aleister

Hillary Clinton can’t explain the difference between Democrats and Socialists

Maybe there’s a reason for this? Maybe it’s because technically there is no difference between Democrats and Socialists anymore?

Democrats around the country are rallying around openly socialist Bernie Sanders who is even out-polling Hillary in some places.

The Right Scoop reports:

In a completely softball interview with “Hardball” host, ironically, Chris Matthews, Hillary awkwardly side-stepped his question on what the difference is between being a socialist and being a Democrat.

Democrats claim Reagan wouldn’t be accepted in today’s Republican Party. Do they really think JFK would be accepted by today’s Democrats? Fat chance.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/confused-hillary-cant-explain-the-difference-between-democrats-and-socialists-video/

2seaoat



Democrats claim Reagan wouldn’t be accepted in today’s Republican Party. Do they really think JFK would be accepted by today’s Democrats? Fat chance.

Ronald Reagan could not be nominated in the Republican Party in 2016, and John Kennedy would be elected in a landslide in the Democratic Party. Duh.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/01/confused-hillary-cant-explain-the-difference-between-democrats-and-socialists-video/

The Gateway Pundit is an uber-right-wing blog that is mostly goofy advertising, with silly news articles mixed in with the ads. Not surprised to see our wingnut posters attracted to it......

http://www.best-electric-barbecue-grills.com

Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
Markle wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com[/b]/2016/01/confused-hillary-cant-explain-the-difference-between-democrats-and-socialists-video/

The Gateway Pundit is an uber-right-wing blog that is mostly goofy advertising, with silly news articles mixed in with the ads. Not surprised to see our wingnut posters attracted to it......[/color]

Please post whatever there is in the article and the video of Hillary Clinton which is NOT true.

Did Hillary provide an accurate description defining the difference between the Democrat Party and Socialism?  Unlike Hillary NOT answering the question, please give us a simple YES OR NO.

If the ads that appear are goofy to you, it is because of what else you are searching for on the Google or Bing. Today the ads on my Gateway page are for Rockport Shoes, rentals in Key West, Alen Air Purifiers, Las Vegas show tickets, Priceline.com and that's about all. Which of those do you consider goofy?

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

"Socialists" Rolling Eyes I can tell it's silly season again .... comes around every 4 years.

We're all socialistic to some degree or other ... the dispute between modern liberals, conservatives, and libertarians is only over the degree and scope of socialism we want in our government.

Markle

Markle

EmeraldGhost wrote:"Socialists"   Rolling Eyes    I can tell it's silly season again .... comes around every 4 years.

We're all socialistic to some degree or other ... the dispute between modern liberals, conservatives, and libertarians is only over the degree and scope of socialism we want in our government.

The question was the difference between Democrats and Socialists. I take it you cannot explain the difference either.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Markle wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:"Socialists"   Rolling Eyes    I can tell it's silly season again .... comes around every 4 years.

We're all socialistic to some degree or other ... the dispute between modern liberals, conservatives, and libertarians is only over the degree and scope of socialism we want in our government.

The question was the difference between Democrats and Socialists.  I take it you cannot explain the difference either.

The correct answer would be Democrats prefer to have more government socialism than Republicans do.

Socialism doesn't have to be a dirty word ... the truth is that we are almost all of us socialist to some degree or other .... even most libertarians which is the camp I am most in politically.  

Do you believe we should have government operated police forces ... or should we have entirely private police forces?   Should the government build & maintain highways ... or should that be entirely a private sector function?

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Markle wrote:Please post whatever there is in the article and the video of Hillary Clinton which is NOT true.

No. YOU support your thesis using better sources!

I do realize you are only interested in spreading cheap propaganda...... Embarassed

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Markle

Markle

EmeraldGhost wrote:
Markle wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:"Socialists"   Rolling Eyes    I can tell it's silly season again .... comes around every 4 years.

We're all socialistic to some degree or other ... the dispute between modern liberals, conservatives, and libertarians is only over the degree and scope of socialism we want in our government.

The question was the difference between Democrats and Socialists.  I take it you cannot explain the difference either.

The correct answer would be Democrats prefer to have more government socialism than Republicans do.

Socialism doesn't have to be a dirty word ... the truth is that we are almost all of us socialist to some degree or other ... even most libertarians which is the camp I am most in politically.  

Do you believe we should have government operated police forces ... or should we have entirely private police forces?   Should the government build & maintain highways ... or should that be entirely a private sector function?

You should know that police forces have nothing to do with whether a system is Socialism or not.

Here is the definition and what is meant by Bernie Sanders...as for Hillary Clinton, she apparently does not know the difference.

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Guest


Guest

Ummm... are you seriously questioning that the exchange between hillary and matthews took place?

I'm sure it's on youtube.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
Markle wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:"Socialists"   Rolling Eyes    I can tell it's silly season again .... comes around every 4 years.

We're all socialistic to some degree or other ... the dispute between modern liberals, conservatives, and libertarians is only over the degree and scope of socialism we want in our government.

The question was the difference between Democrats and Socialists.  I take it you cannot explain the difference either.

The correct answer would be Democrats prefer to have more government socialism than Republicans do.

Socialism doesn't have to be a dirty word ... the truth is that we are almost all of us socialist to some degree or other ... even most libertarians which is the camp I am most in politically.  

Do you believe we should have government operated police forces ... or should we have entirely private police forces?   Should the government build & maintain highways ... or should that be entirely a private sector function?

You should know that police forces have nothing to do with whether a system is Socialism or not.

Here is the definition and what is meant by Bernie Sanders...as for Hillary Clinton, she apparently does not know the difference.

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


That definition has absolutely nothing to do with the democratic socialism Sanders believes and promotes. Democratic socialists do not, I repeat DO NOT believe in the government running the economy or owning production. This is just more bullshit by the king of bullshit -- Semi Sane Markle.

2seaoat



The question was the difference between Democrats and Socialists. I take it you cannot explain the difference either.

Your definition is not a definition of a political concept. It is static and incomplete. Political concepts are fluid and on a spectrum. If you are familiar with the Marxist dialectic you can then begin to put your boilerplate definition into the context necessary to discuss the dynamic political nomenclature concepts. A democrat, liberal, or progressive typically within the context of that country is usually found in a elective representative government where traditional issues of trade unions, social programs, and platforms call for social justice and equality. The European Democratic socialist falls a little further up the dialectic but again representative government and both systems exists in free market capitalistic systems, the transition to the socialism of your definitions requires a break in the democratic spectrum and flows into the communist definition which you have provided where the proletariat which is basically the working class seize the capital and means of production. Your definition basically is a political 1950 confusion of the difference between a communist and a social democrat........long distance from a guy like Bernie who Marx and Lenin specifically railed against the trade unionist and the danger to the completion of the dialectic. A democrat is not a communist and your definition is simply wrong.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
Markle wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:"Socialists"   Rolling Eyes    I can tell it's silly season again .... comes around every 4 years.

We're all socialistic to some degree or other ... the dispute between modern liberals, conservatives, and libertarians is only over the degree and scope of socialism we want in our government.

The question was the difference between Democrats and Socialists.  I take it you cannot explain the difference either.

The correct answer would be Democrats prefer to have more government socialism than Republicans do.

Socialism doesn't have to be a dirty word ... the truth is that we are almost all of us socialist to some degree or other ... even most libertarians which is the camp I am most in politically.  

Do you believe we should have government operated police forces ... or should we have entirely private police forces?   Should the government build & maintain highways ... or should that be entirely a private sector function?

You should know that police forces have nothing to do with whether a system is Socialism or not.

Here is the definition and what is meant by Bernie Sanders...as for Hillary Clinton, she apparently does not know the difference.

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


That definition has absolutely nothing to do with the democratic socialism Sanders believes and promotes.  Democratic socialists do not, I repeat DO NOT believe in the government running the economy or owning production.  This is just more bullshit by the king of bullshit -- Semi Sane Markle.  

So the definition of Socialism has nothing to do with Socialism...GOT IT!

Hillary Clinton STUMPED when asked difference between Democrats and Socialists.... LOL_zpsrc5py0ql

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

"In the many years since socialism entered English around 1830, it has acquired several different meanings. It refers to a system of social organization in which private property and the distribution of income are subject to social control, but the conception of that control has varied, and the term has been interpreted in widely diverging ways, ranging from statist to libertarian, from Marxist to liberal. In the modern era, “pure” socialism has been seen only rarely and usually briefly in a few Communist regimes.

Far more common are systems of social democracy, now often referred to as “democratic socialism,” in which extensive state regulation, with limited state ownership, has been employed by democratically elected governments (as in Sweden and Denmark) in the belief that it produces a fair distribution of income without impairing economic growth." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
Markle wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:"Socialists"   Rolling Eyes    I can tell it's silly season again .... comes around every 4 years.

We're all socialistic to some degree or other ... the dispute between modern liberals, conservatives, and libertarians is only over the degree and scope of socialism we want in our government.

The question was the difference between Democrats and Socialists.  I take it you cannot explain the difference either.

The correct answer would be Democrats prefer to have more government socialism than Republicans do.

Socialism doesn't have to be a dirty word ... the truth is that we are almost all of us socialist to some degree or other ... even most libertarians which is the camp I am most in politically.  

Do you believe we should have government operated police forces ... or should we have entirely private police forces?   Should the government build & maintain highways ... or should that be entirely a private sector function?

You should know that police forces have nothing to do with whether a system is Socialism or not.

Here is the definition and what is meant by Bernie Sanders...as for Hillary Clinton, she apparently does not know the difference.

so·cial·ism
[ˈsōSHəˌlizəm]
NOUN
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.


That definition has absolutely nothing to do with the democratic socialism Sanders believes and promotes.  Democratic socialists do not, I repeat DO NOT believe in the government running the economy or owning production.  This is just more bullshit by the king of bullshit -- Semi Sane Markle.  

So the definition of Socialism has nothing to do with Socialism...GOT IT!

Hillary Clinton STUMPED when asked difference between Democrats and Socialists.... LOL_zpsrc5py0ql

Obviously Markle you DON'T GET IT. lol

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Here's a definition for you, Markle.

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."

—Aldous Huxley

Willful ignorance is the state and practice of ignoring any sensory input that appears to contradict one’s inner model of reality. At heart, it is almost certainly driven by confirmation bias.
It differs from the standard definition of “ignorance“ — which just means that one is unaware of something — in that willfully ignorant people are fully aware of facts, resources and sources, but refuse to acknowledge them. Indeed, calling someone "ignorant" shouldn’t really be a pejorative, but intentional and willful ignorance is an entirely different matter. In practice though, the word "ignorance" has often come to mean "willful ignorance", and indeed, in many non-English languages, the word based on the same stem actually carries that meaning.
It is sometimes referred to as tactical stupidity.
Depending on the nature and strength of an individual’s pre-existing beliefs, willful ignorance can manifest itself in different ways. The practice can entail completely disregarding established facts, evidence and/or reasonable opinions if they fail to meet one’s expectations. Often excuses will be made, stating that the source is unreliable, that the experiment was flawed or the opinion is too biased. More often than not this is simple circular reasoning: “I cannot agree with that source because it is untrustworthy because it disagrees with me”.
In other slightly more extreme cases, willful ignorance can involve outright refusal to read, hear or study, in any way, anything that does not conform to the person’s worldview. With regard to oneself, this can even extend to fake locked-in syndrome with complete unresponsiveness. Or with regard to others, to outright censorship of the material from others..."

Markle

Markle

Progressives here can't provide an answer either.  Hillary Clinton could not answer the question as to the difference between a Democrat and Socialist and no one here could do so either.

Obviously the Progressives here no longer know the difference either.

One would think that as long as she has been running for president, what, close to 20 years?  Wouldn't she have a rehearsed and practiced answer for any possible question.

2seaoat



Progressives here can't provide an answer either. Hillary Clinton could not answer the question as to the difference between a Democrat and Socialist and no one here could do so either.

Did you not read this thread? I gave you an answer which was correct and showed you a spectrum in political concepts. You like to tinker with cars. We had a discussion when Z talked about getting a really cool battery jumping device for his wife's car which was in the range of a $100 bucks helped to efficiently start her car when the battery drained. You logically came back and said you can save your battery charge by installing a mechanical circuit break on the battery itself for around 30 bucks. I came on and said that a more logical and less expensive solution for about 18 bucks is to get a smart battery tender.

Now if somebody would suggest that there is no difference on methods of how you get a car started with a battery which drains, we would think that person is an idiot, or has a difficult time understanding mechanics, electricity, or even what a battery does in an Automobile, yet when you try to manipulate the word socialist and democrat to make them the same in a spectrum of political concepts and options, you really make a fool of yourself and are counting on people who do not know what a battery is in a car type of response. Please reread some of the clear responses on this thread to help you understand the difference, but we both know you know the difference and your handlers are hoping that if you post this nonsense you can further confuse the folks who don't know even what a battery does in a car let alone what a socialist or democrat is in the spectrum of choices.

Guest


Guest

If you can't see the democratic party progressively moving further and further left in real time then you are indoctrinated.

I'd say you can go ahead and remove "liberal" from the equation completely now.

2seaoat



Are you kidding me.......the Democrat today is so conservative compared to the Democrat who kicked me off their front stoop in 1964 when I was a 13 year old kid handing out Goldwater campaign material that you have either lost your memory, or do not understand the FDR mentality of the thirties through sixties.

Most of what Bernie is proposing is simply a conservative version of FDR policies, yet he is being classified by Mr. Markle and neocons who want Military spending to continue in the place of social programs with by the way a communist definition for what a socialist is........no, America is in a reactionary cycle right now where a demagogue can get up and actually talk about classifying people by their religion.......those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat history.

Guest


Guest

"a demagogue can get up and actually talk about classifying people by their religion."

But a leftist can do that same demagoguery to christianity... and it's accepted as mainstream politically correct.

It would be nice if we could play by one set of rules and standards.

Sal

Sal

PkrBum wrote:If you can't see the democratic party progressively moving further and further left in real time then you are indoctrinated.

Good gawd ...

... you are completely divorced from reality.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

We modern American democratic socialists are hoping to eventually achieve another Soviet Union right here in good old Amerika Inc. One with Gulags and re-orientation camps in the Bob Marshall Wilderness in Montana where all white conservative Christians will be sent for hard labor and subsist on a diet of Uncle Ben's Minute Rice with a dollop of Spam three times a day. When their work day is done, they will attend classes on evolutionary theory, archaeological dating methods, and the dangers of burning fossil fuels. In the event a prisoner .. er ... attendee becomes pregnant abortion will be mandatory.

Go Bernie, Go!

2seaoat



But a leftist can do that same demagoguery to christianity.

I cannot discuss the same without more context. I mean I get it. I take Chit from both fundamentalist and atheist for my Christian beliefs, but it has never been as a demagogue would condemn my beliefs, but by specific and thoughtful differences in our conversation. I do not think in a conversation of the impact of fundamental Christianity, or Atheism in America necessarily can be reduced to demagogues, but I am all ears if you want to discuss the same.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Progressives here can't provide an answer either.  Hillary Clinton could not answer the question as to the difference between a Democrat and Socialist and no one here could do so either.

Did you not read this thread?  I gave you an answer which was correct and showed you a spectrum in political concepts.  You like to tinker with cars.  We had a discussion when Z talked about getting a really cool battery jumping device for his wife's car which was in the range of a $100 bucks helped to efficiently start her car when the battery drained.   You logically came back and said you can save your battery charge by installing a mechanical circuit break on the battery itself for around 30 bucks.  I came on and said that a more logical and less expensive solution for about 18 bucks is to get a smart battery tender.

Now if somebody would suggest that there is no difference on methods of how you get a car started with a battery which drains, we would think that person is an idiot, or has a difficult time understanding mechanics, electricity, or even what a battery does in an Automobile, yet when you try to manipulate the word socialist and democrat to make them the same in a spectrum of political concepts and options, you really make a fool of yourself and are counting on people who do not know what a battery is in a car type of response.   Please reread some of the clear responses on this thread to help you understand the difference, but we both know you know the difference and your handlers are hoping that if you post this nonsense you can further confuse the folks who don't know even what a battery does in a car let alone what a socialist or democrat is in the spectrum of choices.

No one has explained the difference between Democrats and Socialists.  Numerous folks have taken pot shots as to what they want the word Socialism to sound like, none are willing to admit what it is and all have been foolish.

They know the very word Socialism has negative connotations so they use the word Democrat and hope people will think they are somehow different. Proven here and with Hillary Clinton, their development has so emerged that there no longer is a difference.

They mean the same thing.

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