Everyone who has the ability to watch CNN or record a CNN program needs to watch this: "Long Road To Hell - America in Iraq"

PkrBum wrote:It's the sunni that commit the vast majority of terrorist acts. So I think those troops were going radical anyway.

They were either going to rule as a minority dictatorship... or commit extremist atrocities as jihadists.

2seaoat wrote:Yes, it is custom tailored red meat for the loyal few.


The loyal few.......the vast majority of Americans cannot be fooled again.  They are not a few, but are 80% of Americans who KNOW Iraq was George Bush's historic mistake, and one that NOBODY but the shills for MIC and NEOCONS want to now repeat.

Bob wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Yes, it is custom tailored red meat for the loyal few.


The loyal few.......the vast majority of Americans cannot be fooled again.  They are not a few, but are 80% of Americans who KNOW Iraq was George Bush's historic mistake, and one that NOBODY but the shills for MIC and NEOCONS want to now repeat.

If anyone wants to doubt that,  then all he need do is consider the stance of each Republican presidential candidate.
Thirteen of the fourteen (or however many are left now) candidates now say the Iraq war was a mistake.  Even including Bush's brother.
And of course they've all taken this position because they want to be in line with the public who coincidentally are also the voters.  lol

Bob wrote:..."what many regard as the Bush administration's single biggest mistake in the first few months after Saddam Hussein's ouster—the order, in May 2003, to disband the Iraqi army.
It was a move that put 250,000 young Iraqi men out of a job, out on the streets, angry, and armed—and all but guaranteed the violent chaos to come".

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2007/09/who_disbanded_the_iraqi_army.html

Those chickenhawk neocons love to play war.   Problem is,  like children playing with matches,  they don't really think about the consequences.

Bob wrote:Those chickenhawk neocons love to play war.   Problem is,  like children playing with matches,  they don't really think about the consequences.

Markle wrote:

Bob wrote:..."what many regard as the Bush administration's single biggest mistake in the first few months after Saddam Hussein's ouster—the order, in May 2003, to disband the Iraqi army.
It was a move that put 250,000 young Iraqi men out of a job, out on the streets, angry, and armed—and all but guaranteed the violent chaos to come".

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2007/09/who_disbanded_the_iraqi_army.html

Those chickenhawk neocons love to play war.   Problem is,  like children playing with matches,  they don't really think about the consequences.

True, disbanding the army and police was a major error which was recommended by an independent commission.

When General Petraeus took over, he too pointed out that it was a mistake and not necessary.  Of course, hind sight is always 20/20.

Then again, Progressives love to end wars, they just can't bring themselves to WIN.  That would be so un-politically correct.  Don't you find that to be so?

ppaca wrote:

Markle wrote:

Bob wrote:..."what many regard as the Bush administration's single biggest mistake in the first few months after Saddam Hussein's ouster—the order, in May 2003, to disband the Iraqi army.
It was a move that put 250,000 young Iraqi men out of a job, out on the streets, angry, and armed—and all but guaranteed the violent chaos to come".

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2007/09/who_disbanded_the_iraqi_army.html

Those chickenhawk neocons love to play war.   Problem is,  like children playing with matches,  they don't really think about the consequences.

True, disbanding the army and police was a major error which was recommended by an independent commission.

When General Petraeus took over, he too pointed out that it was a mistake and not necessary.  Of course, hind sight is always 20/20.

Then again, Progressives love to end wars, they just can't bring themselves to WIN.  That would be so un-politically correct.  Don't you find that to be so?

Then again, Progressives love to end wars, they just can't bring themselves to WIN.  That would be so un-politically correct.  Don't you find that to be so?

2seaoat wrote:Viet Nam and its people did just fine once Americans stopped their aggression.  The monolithic communist threat like the war on terrorism was a MIC construct which never existed.

Markle wrote:

ppaca wrote:

Markle wrote:

Bob wrote:..."what many regard as the Bush administration's single biggest mistake in the first few months after Saddam Hussein's ouster—the order, in May 2003, to disband the Iraqi army.
It was a move that put 250,000 young Iraqi men out of a job, out on the streets, angry, and armed—and all but guaranteed the violent chaos to come".

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2007/09/who_disbanded_the_iraqi_army.html

Those chickenhawk neocons love to play war.   Problem is,  like children playing with matches,  they don't really think about the consequences.

True, disbanding the army and police was a major error which was recommended by an independent commission.

When General Petraeus took over, he too pointed out that it was a mistake and not necessary.  Of course, hind sight is always 20/20.

Then again, Progressives love to end wars, they just can't bring themselves to WIN.  That would be so un-politically correct.  Don't you find that to be so?

Then again, Progressives love to end wars, they just can't bring themselves to WIN.  That would be so un-politically correct.  Don't you find that to be so?

Guess you don't remember Vietnam.

ppaca wrote:

Markle wrote:

ppaca wrote:

Markle wrote:

Bob wrote:..."what many regard as the Bush administration's single biggest mistake in the first few months after Saddam Hussein's ouster—the order, in May 2003, to disband the Iraqi army.
It was a move that put 250,000 young Iraqi men out of a job, out on the streets, angry, and armed—and all but guaranteed the violent chaos to come".

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2007/09/who_disbanded_the_iraqi_army.html

Those chickenhawk neocons love to play war.   Problem is,  like children playing with matches,  they don't really think about the consequences.

True, disbanding the army and police was a major error which was recommended by an independent commission.

When General Petraeus took over, he too pointed out that it was a mistake and not necessary.  Of course, hind sight is always 20/20.

Then again, Progressives love to end wars, they just can't bring themselves to WIN.  That would be so un-politically correct.  Don't you find that to be so?

Then again, Progressives love to end wars, they just can't bring themselves to WIN.  That would be so un-politically correct.  Don't you find that to be so?

Guess you don't remember Vietnam.

I do remember Vietnam, up close and personal.

A war greatly expanded by JFK and Lyndon Johnson.  ANOTHER war where politicians ran the war instead of the military.  In effect we were at war with China who were supplying North Vietnam.

What we did in abandoning South Vietnam was criminal.  President Nixon had no other options as the US was coming apart with violent demonstrations but millions of our allies were murdered.

2seaoat wrote:Viet Nam and its people did just fine once Americans stopped their aggression.  The monolithic communist threat like the war on terrorism was a MIC construct which never existed.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Viet Nam and its people did just fine once Americans stopped their aggression.  The monolithic communist threat like the war on terrorism was a MIC construct which never existed.

So true...

Markle wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Viet Nam and its people did just fine once Americans stopped their aggression.  The monolithic communist threat like the war on terrorism was a MIC construct which never existed.

So true...

Really?  Vietnam did just fine after America left.

So you and your comrades believe that 3,800,000 people being murdered after we left for political reasons is a good thing to you.

That explains why you all think ISIS is such a good thing along with semi-retired President Obama.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Viet Nam and its people did just fine once Americans stopped their aggression.  The monolithic communist threat like the war on terrorism was a MIC construct which never existed.

So true...