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Comparison of the U3 and the U6 unemployment rates under Bush versus Obama. Pinning per Markle's request.

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PROVING the error of Progressive thinking.  I posted this days ago.  It really got under the skin of some Progressives.  Facts are...FACTS.

Current U-6 Unemployment Rate is 9.6% (BLS) or 14.1% (Gallup)

Current U-6 Unemployment Rate:

U3 Unemployment vs U6 For September 2015 the official U-6 unemployment rate fell  from 10.3% in August to 9.6% in September. However, the independently produced Gallup equivalent called the “Underemployment Rate” only fell from  14.2% in August to 14.1% in September.

The current differential between Gallup and BLS on supposedly the same data is 4.5%! or roughly a 53% margin of error!

What is U-6?

U-6 is a broader measure of unemployment including discouraged workers and many consider U-6 to be”the Real Unemployment Rate” See: What is U-6 Unemployment? for the full definition of U-6 Unemployment.

As you can see from the chart below, the unadjusted U-6 unemployment rate was 15.2% in December 2011 and 14.4% in December 2012. By July it bounced up again to  15.2% and in October the U-6 miraculously fell back to 13.9% just in time for the election. But by January 2013 it was back to 15.4%. By January 2014 it was at 13.5% and by October 2014 it was down to the 11% range. In January 2015 it bounced back up to 12% but promptly returned to 10.4% by April.

Currently Gallup estimates it to be more like 14.1% as of September 2015.

Comparing U3 to U6

If you look at the chart below carefully you will see that the current (Unadjusted)  U-3 unemployment rate is 4.9% which is still above the U-3 rate from 2006-2008.

You may also notice that when unemployment rises the gap between U-3 and U-6 also rises. For instance, in October 2000, unemployment was at the lowest levels on this chart with U-3  at 3.6% and U-6 was at 6.3%. For a difference of only 2.7%.  But  at the peak of unemployment in January 2010 U-3 was at 10.6% but U-6 shot all the way up to 18% for a difference of 7.4%.

http://unemploymentdata.com/current-u6-unemployment-rate/



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boards of FL

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Yes, let's look at the U6 unemployment rate.

U6 when Bush took office:  7.3%
U6 when Bush left office: 14.2%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate nearly doubled during the Bush era.


U6 when Obama took office: 14.2%
U6 as of September 2015: 10.0%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate has plummeted nearly 30% during the Obama era.


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What no sticky for this one ?

boards of FL

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But more importantly, are you ready to concede that you were either lying or confused when you said this, Markle?



Markle wrote:Not surprising, BoardsofFL is lying again.  

Keep up the good work!

You had to hunt for a source that gave you a weak number of added jobs but not as weak as your usual sources.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- U.S. employers cut back sharply on hiring in September and added fewer jobs in July and August than previously thought - a sour note for a labor market that had been steadily improving.

The economy added just 142,000 jobs last month, depressed by job cuts by manufacturers and oil drillers. The unemployment rate remained 5.1 percent, but only because many Americans have stopped looking for work and are no longer counted as unemployed. The proportion of adults either with a job or looking for one is at a 38-year low.


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TEOTWAWKI wrote:What no sticky for this one ?

Progressives pretend not to recognize the real world.

They pretend that if millions more people could get the full time jobs they WANT rather than the part time jobs they have, our economy would be much, much stronger.

They also pretend that those people who have quit looking after months and months of futile searching would have no effect on the economy if THEY were working.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

One of my friends has a son with a family and the wife works a full time job and the son is striving to work 2 jobs just to survive. The wives grandma babysits their one son. Yeah great economy...

Markle

Markle

Would someone ask BoardsofFL why he won't "Sticky" this above his own thread?

Seems to me that would be FAIR AND BALANCED.

boards of FL

boards of FL

boards of FL wrote:Yes, let's look at the U6 unemployment rate.

U6 when Bush took office:  7.3%
U6 when Bush left office: 14.2%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate nearly doubled during the Bush era.


U6 when Obama took office: 14.2%
U6 as of September 2015: 10.0%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate has plummeted nearly 30% during the Obama era.



No response, Markle?


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boards of FL wrote:Yes, let's look at the U6 unemployment rate.

U6 when Bush took office:  7.3%
U6 when Bush left office: 14.2%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate nearly doubled during the Bush era.


U6 when Obama took office: 14.2%
U6 as of September 2015: 10.0%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate has plummeted nearly 30% during the Obama era.

Hardly. We all know you and seaoat live off the idea that baby boomers aren't in workforce because they "retired", but how many more of those people who lost their jobs on Obama's watch would be included in the stats if they could get work commensurate with their experience? Hmmmm.....that makes your stats all jacked up Mr. Economist.

Face it....the Obama Economy sucks. Even Joe Biden admitted it.

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Record numbers gave up on looking for work (something BOF has no number for)

Record numbers on SNAP


Record numbers on all other welfare programs



Record numbers of women out of work


Record (and DEPRESSION) numbers of BLACKS out of work...



Obama Economy is a Septic Tank...

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But Obama will let in record numbers of Syrians and other jihadists while excluding Coptic Christians or any other Christian group persecuted in Middle East

Record numbers of HB-1 visas for tech workers to replace Americans...

yea team...

Markle

Markle

Obamasucks wrote:But Obama will let in record numbers of Syrians and other jihadists while excluding Coptic Christians or any other Christian group persecuted in Middle East

Record numbers of HB-1 visas for tech workers to replace Americans...

yea  team...

Imagine, black voters actually thought that since semi-retired President Obama is black, that he would help the black community.

Boy, did he fool them. He simply wants more slaves to the government.

Markle

Markle

Curious why this has not been "stuck" at the top with the other thread on unemployment.

Go figure!

2seaoat



Boards pretty much kicked your asz in his first post.....why would he not want your genius to be seen by all?

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Boards pretty much kicked your asz in his first post.....why would he not want your genius to be seen by all?

He sure didn't think so!

No different than all the other Progressives here. With the way this semi-retired President Obama administration has failed in such stunning ways, the economy still rewarding the rich and punishing middle and low income people more than ever, he's afraid of the comparison.

I understand.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

the hardcore republican solution to all our economic problems:

A. Stop all taxation of big busenesses
B. End the minimum wage
C. Terminate all Union Contracts
D. Stop all welfare payments
E. Stop unemployment insurance payments
F. Put an end to Osha and the EPA
G. Stop all voting of anyone not a millionaire
H. End all healthcare assistance for the poor
I. End all public education
J. Bring back debtor's prison
K. Enjoy Amerika Inc.

Markle

Markle

You do love being the great foil and fool.

You left out shutting down the Department of Education.

Comparison of the U3 and the U6 unemployment rates under Bush versus Obama.  Pinning per Markle's request. Democrat%20Socialists_zpsemly56b9

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:You do love being the great foil and fool.

You left out shutting down the Department of Education.

Comparison of the U3 and the U6 unemployment rates under Bush versus Obama.  Pinning per Markle's request. Democrat%20Socialists_zpsemly56b9


See "I" above. LOL

Markle

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Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:You do love being the great foil and fool.

You left out shutting down the Department of Education.

Comparison of the U3 and the U6 unemployment rates under Bush versus Obama.  Pinning per Markle's request. Democrat%20Socialists_zpsemly56b9


See "I" above.  LOL

Best you got?  Again?

Wordslinger wrote:Would this be the same FBI headed by that closeted homosexual, cross-dressing Herbert Hoover,  who directed his agency to punish homosexuals, black Civil Rights leaders, movie actors, directors, and writers and Native Americans on their reservations?  Fuck the FBI, just what fuck have they done for the American people lately?

Markle

Markle

Comparison of the U3 and the U6 unemployment rates under Bush versus Obama.  Pinning per Markle's request. Bump

boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:Comparison of the U3 and the U6 unemployment rates under Bush versus Obama.  Pinning per Markle's request. Bump




You realize you're bumping a thread that you ran away from, right?



boards of FL wrote:
boards of FL wrote:Yes, let's look at the U6 unemployment rate.

U6 when Bush took office:  7.3%
U6 when Bush left office: 14.2%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate nearly doubled during the Bush era.


U6 when Obama took office: 14.2%
U6 as of September 2015: 10.0%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate has plummeted nearly 30% during the Obama era.



No response,  Markle?


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boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:Comparison of the U3 and the U6 unemployment rates under Bush versus Obama.  Pinning per Markle's request. Bump

You realize you're bumping a thread that you ran away from, right?

boards of FL wrote:
boards of FL wrote:Yes, let's look at the U6 unemployment rate.

U6 when Bush took office:  7.3%
U6 when Bush left office: 14.2%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate nearly doubled during the Bush era.

U6 when Obama took office: 14.2%
U6 as of September 2015: 10.0%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate has plummeted nearly 30% during the Obama era.

No response,  Markle?

No response...again BoardsofFL?

No reason for a response. You steadfastly refuse to ever provide information I request which are not unreasonable requests. I simply ask for you to provide apples to apples comparisons.

Why do you refuse?

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Liberals only report what they feel is the truth. Benghazi shows that very well

boards of FL

boards of FL

Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:Comparison of the U3 and the U6 unemployment rates under Bush versus Obama.  Pinning per Markle's request. Bump

You realize you're bumping a thread that you ran away from, right?

boards of FL wrote:
boards of FL wrote:Yes, let's look at the U6 unemployment rate.

U6 when Bush took office:  7.3%
U6 when Bush left office: 14.2%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate nearly doubled during the Bush era.

U6 when Obama took office: 14.2%
U6 as of September 2015: 10.0%

Putting that into words for our forum republicans, the U6 unemployment rate has plummeted nearly 30% during the Obama era.

No response,  Markle?

No response...again BoardsofFL?

No reason for a response. You steadfastly refuse to ever provide information I request which are not unreasonable requests. I simply ask for you to provide apples to apples comparisons.

Why do you refuse?


Why are you asking me if I have a response?  I already responded.  You're the one who has ran away from this back and forth.

But aside from that, you're asking me to "compare apples to apples" in a thread in which you're telling everyone to look at the U6 unemployment rate instead of the U3.  For the last 40 years or more the "unemployment rate" means "the U3 unemployment rate".  The U3 is what has been used over the last several decades as the headline number for unemployment.   When you try to draw attention away from that and ask people to look at the U6, it is you who is trying to compare apples to oranges.  In my first post in this thread, I compared the U6 under Obama to U6 under Bush so as to make the apples to apples comparison that you say I'm not making.  

Have you no response to that apples to apples comparison or are you running away?  Pretending that I am running away from you when in reality it is you who is running away from me is probably the highest level of senility you have displayed on this forum thus far.

They say it comes on fairly quickly.

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You're the one with the running shoes on and are afraid to answer a straight question.  

Answer this and STICK IT to the top of your forum.

Compare the U3 and U6 unemployment rates, you could include Gallup too at the beginning is fine AND AT THIS POINT IN BOTH PRESIDENCIES.  That would be OCTOBER 2007, NOT JANUARY 2009.

Come on, step up.

Don't have the courage do you?

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