Gun Violence

Joanimaroni wrote:Heartbreakingly the president of the United States is a pathological liar & America hating goon. Oh, and BTW, if you like your Dr, you can keep your Dr. And NO, we will not provide security for our fellow Americans in ultra-dangerous terrorist regions like Benghazi. And yes, Brian Terry WAS murdered with a gun that the US AG & obama smuggled to mexican drug gangs. And yes, his IRS bitch did criminally abuse power & lie. And yes, he calls gay NBA guys heroes but doesnt call real heroes that sacrificed for freedom. 

The guy is a bad bad man & psychotic liar. Obama's Impassioned Mass-Murder Speech Includes Error Alan Korwin, Author Gun Laws of America  

The President's impassioned Oregon speech, moving as it was, missed a key point that 

could lead to real progress on this terrible issue of mass murder. The 16 black Americans 


shot and murdered in ghettos that same day, and the day before, tragically got no news 


coverage. This is stunning, unmentioned -- and those lives matter. That black-lives gunfire 


atrocity is repeated, daily. And will remain true tomorrow when another 16 are murdered, 


but get no "coverage" -- 6,000 per year. The "Graph of Death" Mr. Obama asked for is 

already available here: http://www.gunlaws.com/GunshotDemographics.htm (with gut-

wrenching explanation) By focusing on an isolated "newsworthy" tragedy in one place, Mr. 

Obama unknowingly obscures the real issue, and does indeed politicize it -- as he 

forthrightly admitted. NOTE: Every action of this Oregon murderer is already 100% illegal -- 

legal scholars know the call for new laws is superfluous and disingenuous. It is a political 

agenda that weakens support and the true effort to solve the problem. The President made 

a repeated and critical mistake: New laws affecting all Americans will not affect the lone 

psychotics who commit these atrocities --The medical community stands as the greatest 

obstacle in getting to the psychotics. And the biggest ignored issue of all is: The existing 


background checks have stopped two million people from buying guns because they are 


known criminals or mentally unfit -- and they are simply turned loose on the streets. We 


have their names and addresses -- and our government just sets them free, right after they 


try to buy guns.* Mr. President, do something about that if you're really serious. Don't try to 

pass something else, that you know and admit Congress and the public will resist. Act now. 

If you want more common-sense solutions, call me. Alan Korwin The Uninvited 
Ombudsman Author of ten books on gun law

Salinsky wrote:This may be a new low.

Joanie is plagiarizing Ted Nugent, and PeeDawg is responding, "Hallelujah!!".

You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

SheWrites wrote:

Salinsky wrote:

SheWrites wrote:

You talk about Chicago in one post and Connecticut in another and compare statistics?  Apples and Oranges.  Chicago does not fit into a discussion on mass shootings by white boys hyped up on their ADD meds who live with Mama and don't have a girlfriend.

Now, wait a minute.

Every time a white cop shoots an unarmed black person, Joannie and her merry band of idiots evoke Chicago, for reasons only they seem to understand, and I've never seen you complain about that.

Don't know any merry band of idiots around here.  Everyone seems to have their own place.  

As for no complaints on Chicago?  What good would it do?  Chicago's issues are their own which, to me, do not compare to a random shooting wherever it may be.

EmeraldGhost wrote:how about explaining specifically what new laws you would like to see passed (that are within the confines of the 2nd Amendment and SCOTUS interpretation thereof) ... and  how those laws would those have prevented any of these mass shootings of recent years.

2seaoat wrote:http://heyjackass.com/

Salinsky wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:how about explaining specifically what new laws you would like to see passed (that are within the confines of the 2nd Amendment and SCOTUS interpretation thereof) ... and  how those laws would those have prevented any of these mass shootings of recent years.

Again?

2seaoat wrote:

... Conn. since  universal background checks has seen a 40% drop in gun violence. ....

EmeraldGhost wrote:

Salinsky wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:how about explaining specifically what new laws you would like to see passed (that are within the confines of the 2nd Amendment and SCOTUS interpretation thereof) ... and  how those laws would those have prevented any of these mass shootings of recent years.

Again?

Just scrolled through your last 250 posts and didn't find anything as to proposals for specific gun laws.

Mostly what I saw was insults, sarcasm, and shallow partisan attacks .... so you'll have to pardon me for getting the impression you are not a serious person.

But I don't like to make hasty judgements about people, so I'll give you another chance if you'd like to post those proposals in this thread so we can discuss.

Salinsky wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:

Salinsky wrote:

EmeraldGhost wrote:how about explaining specifically what new laws you would like to see passed (that are within the confines of the 2nd Amendment and SCOTUS interpretation thereof) ... and  how those laws would those have prevented any of these mass shootings of recent years.

Again?

Just scrolled through your last 250 posts and didn't find anything as to proposals for specific gun laws.

Mostly what I saw was insults, sarcasm, and shallow partisan attacks .... so you'll have to pardon me for getting the impression you are not a serious person.

But I don't like to make hasty judgements about people, so I'll give you another chance if you'd like to post those proposals in this thread so we can discuss.

The last time I specifically remember discussing it was when the news reporters got shot up.

I'll let you look it up.

I'm glad you read my last 250 posts.

Hopefully you learned something.

othershoe1030 wrote:After looking at statistics and comparing our country with other countries and how many guns there are per person around the world and all the rest of it...

Since we also probably don't have any more crazy people in our territory than there are anywhere else, then what could it be? What is causing Americans to go about shooting up groups of largely peaceful fellow citizens, children, students?

What is the underlying cause? I think it is worth considering our wild west attitude and love of guns. The idea that a gun is the solution to our problems. Where does this come from? I am beginning to think that it is a combination of an overabundance of guns and our culture that is causing this.

If this is true then we are in for a long slog unless attitudes about the perceived "need" for guns changes as relatively quickly as did the attitudes about LGBTQ civil rights and marriage equality. Education may be the answer, like Mothers Against Drunk Driving but what will it take?

othershoe1030 wrote:After looking at statistics and comparing our country with other countries and how many guns there are per person around the world and all the rest of it...

Since we also probably don't have any more crazy people in our territory than there are anywhere else, then what could it be? What is causing Americans to go about shooting up groups of largely peaceful fellow citizens, children, students?

What is the underlying cause? I think it is worth considering our wild west attitude and love of guns. The idea that a gun is the solution to our problems. Where does this come from? I am beginning to think that it is a combination of an overabundance of guns and our culture that is causing this.

If this is true then we are in for a long slog unless attitudes about the perceived "need" for guns changes as relatively quickly as did the attitudes about LGBTQ civil rights and marriage equality. Education may be the answer, like Mothers Against Drunk Driving but what will it take?

2seaoat wrote:Its simple.  Bio triggers, chipped guns, chipped foid cards, universal carrying cases with open carry NO GUN IS LOADED ON ANY PERSON OTHER THAN LEO, ammo can be loaded in a few seconds with training.  Universal background checks on every transfer.   Foid card must sync with all chipped guns.  Done, and a gun owner I have no problem chipping my guns, getting a new foid card, and having uniform carrying cases........but most importantly my fingerprints work on the trigger......or if my wife has been approved, her fingerprints will work.......Sorry but suicide by gun is an important stat.

2seaoat wrote:What do we do with the 400 million+ guns already in the USA?

Strict liability policy with every foid card.  Chipped foid and chipped guns.....all fricking 400 million guns with bio trigger locks....the technology is reliable.  I used a fingerprint log in on a computer system 15 years ago with Zero errors and my wife and I could log in easily.  The Supreme Court says clearly gun safety regulation is constitutional.  If you are going to transport a gun, you better have an approved container/holster and it better be open carry, no conceal and carry.  Universal background checks and a WEEK waiting period on any gun transfer.  Is this an overreaction to gun violence in America.....hardly.  Law abiding citizens will comply and the bad guys will have a more difficult route.  America will not be bought by the highest bidder, and the short dicks and gang punks will be following the rules or in jail.  We can lower gun violence in America.