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So Sanders was a conscientious objector during Nam

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http://news.yahoo.com/bernie-sanders-applied-conscientious-objector-status-during-vietnam-184148698.html

SO no more JOKES about Bush 43 being scared to go to war or using reserves as way out of Nam. He was probably more at risk of dying while flying his aircraft given his poor performance as noted by Z as a flight student.

2seaoat



I have NEVER said or implied that President Bush was scared to go to war. You are certifiable. I voted for the man twice, and could care less about his military service. It is irrelevant as about 1% of Americans have served in the military......and most normal and stable Americans do not even look at military service any more than what frat he was in while attending Yale.....nobody cares except the 1% who yip like poodles trying to be a German Shepards.


Bernie Sanders appears over the last five years to have strong moral convictions which would be consistent with CO, but again.....who cares....you just cannot get this through your head.....you live in a six county area where retired military and active military are a high percentage of the population and the area bases are critical to the local economy.....this is not the normal or average cross section of America......Nobody cares and Americans are tired of Military adventurism which drains our treasury and serves special interests. The War in Viet Nam was a tactical and strategic failure of American Power. Bernie probably made a choice which worked for his conscience, but President Bush made another choice.....who cares.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

At least Sanders was HONEST about where he stood.

Bush43 used his Daddy's connections to hide in the Texas ANG and avoid military service that might have put his ass at risk.

What would he have done if reserves had been called-up for combat duty, like they were in 1990 and beyond?

Exit, Canada or Sweden......

No, Bush43 would have found some other lame excuse to avoid military service entirely. Papa had elite connections and would have facilitated it. Then when he ran for president, he would have come up with some lame Cheney-ish excuse.

Neocons are famous for sending others to war, but finding excuses to avoid war themselves; Bush would have found a way to fit-in with his own kind.

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2seaoat wrote:I have NEVER said or implied that President Bush was scared to go to war.  You are certifiable.  I voted for the man twice, and could care less about his military service.  It is irrelevant as about 1% of Americans have served in the military......and most normal and stable Americans do not even look at military service any more than what frat he was in while attending Yale.....nobody cares except the 1% who yip like poodles trying to be a German Shepards.


Bernie Sanders appears over the last five years to have strong moral convictions which would be consistent with CO, but again.....who cares....you just cannot get this through your head.....you live in a six county area where retired military and active military are a high percentage of the population and the area bases are critical to the local economy.....this is not the normal or average cross section of America......Nobody cares and Americans are tired of Military adventurism which drains our treasury and serves special interests.  The War in Viet Nam was a tactical and strategic failure of American Power.  Bernie probably made a choice which worked for his conscience, but President Bush made another choice.....who cares.

You are totally butt hurt and the first to jump. Yes, you. For as much as you denigrate Bush, at least he had the balls to strap himself to a literal ROCKET and fly the damn thing. That must really piss you off that he did something you couldn't or wouldn't ....hell for all we know, HE was the JODIE who stole your GF back in the day. Yep, that's totally it.

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:At least Sanders was HONEST about where he stood.

Bush43 used his Daddy's connections to hide in the Texas ANG and avoid military service that might have put his ass at risk.

What would he have done if reserves had been called-up for combat duty, like they were in 1990 and beyond?

Exit, Canada or Sweden......

No, Bush43 would have found some other lame excuse to avoid military service entirely. Papa had elite connections and would have facilitated it. Then when he ran for president, he would have come up with some lame Cheney-ish excuse.

Neocons are famous for sending others to war, but finding excuses to avoid war themselves; Bush would have found a way to fit-in with his own kind.

How many jets did you fly? Nuf said. Flying an F-100 was pretty dangerous. I'd say training in an F-100 was more dangerous than many jobs Vietnam vets held themselves who were even in country- hospital workers, chow hall cooks, mechanics of all types, MPs etc. Yet, even those folks call themselves Vietnam vets. Your boy was scared too and that's why he claimed CO, just like Ted Nugent who peed and crapped himself to get 4A status for incompatible for military service. There's no difference.

2seaoat



Serving in the military no more prepares you for the Presidency than serving in the local chamber of commerce. Where it is important is reinforcing poodles who want to be German Shepards and think the 1% who chose to serve are special. Pace......they are not. You can get angry at me.....but the American public will give lip service to supporting veterans, but most could care less if a President served in the Military. President Obama did a great job and never served. George Bush's military service was not responsible for policy mistakes he made. That had more to do with his cognitive limitations. So yip away trying to make yourself into a German shepard, but nobody cares that Bernie was a CO in Viet Nam, and rather are concerned about what policies and plans he will implement in office. I have known real war heroes, and not one of them yipped about military service like you do on this forum.....that poodle collar and haircut just does not make you into a German Shepard.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

One day, Mr. Obamasucks will be issued a blue ID card, and he will find out he is just one of many hundreds of aging military retirees in the local area.  He'll read Tim Philpot's column in the PNJ on Sunday and grouse about how Congress is slowly eroding away the benefits retirees receive. He'll join the DAV and walk around wearing a funny hat on meeting days, but his importance in the big scheme of things really will not add up that much after he hangs his uniform up. It's just the way it is and he'll have to get used to it.

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2seaoat



It's just the way it is and he'll have to get used to it.


They play great poker over at Greyhound.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Obamasucks wrote:How many jets did you fly? Nuf said. Flying an F-100 was pretty dangerous.  I'd say training in an F-100 was more dangerous than many jobs Vietnam vets held

What do you know about piloting an aircraft besides nothing? You are not equipped to judge the differences between rotary-winged or fixed wing pilots; or any pilots, for that matter.

You don't even know what aircraft Bush flew, doofus. He didn't fly F-100s (you wouldn't recognize an F-100 if you saw one, likely). Go read-up on it and come back and post some more

Go over to Whitiing Field and spew your shit over at HT-8, HT-18, and HT-28 and see how far you make it down the hallway before someone shows you the door.

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Sal

Sal

So, Bernie declined to become cannon fodder for a doomed and horribly misguided military adventure.

Much respect.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


If the accounts I've read are right, I was living right down the street from Bush while he was supposed to be in Alabama. He was days away from being called up when his daddy fixed it so he could jump ahead of just about everyone and join the Texas Air National Guard...but he couldn't even do that.

knothead

knothead

The VietNam war was the making by Democratic leadership . . . . . that's undisputed. I did not know anyone who was not looking for an 'out' or to escape the draft. Why? It was the classic American misadventure . . . . it is sickening to think of the loss of blood and treasure to fight people who we now have trade relations with. America going 10,000 miles to a foreign culture to protect them from communism according to LBJ and his domino theory, have we not learned a lesson from these intrusions into other nations' affairs? When we have a clear national interest at stake I say go in, face the enemy, fight the fight and come home. Stationing our young soldiers in hostile places where American interests are clearly not in jeopardy is insane. I am no isolationist but I would have an extremely high bar as to when to deploy our our people to settle other nations' disputes.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Anybody who volunteered to fight in Vietnam was simply ultra stupid.  Anybody who didn't find a way to cheat the draft was equally stupid.

Cheney, Clinton, Romney. Limbaugh and others figured out how to ace the game.  Anybody who died in Vietnam died for nothing.  They did not die to protect their country, because their country was never threatened.  Reality.

Markle

Markle

DESPERATION from far left Socialist/Communists here.

So many things are going from bad to worse for them that now their even dragging up the Vietnam War as if they have milked all they could out of the Iraq invasion.

2seaoat



DESPERATION from far left Socialist/Communists here.

Did you mean Iraq or Iran? Oh, I forgot......they are interchangeable like Socialist and Communist.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Wordslinger wrote:Anybody who volunteered to fight in Vietnam was simply ultra stupid.  Anybody who didn't find a way to cheat the draft was equally stupid.

Cheney, Clinton, Romney. Limbaugh and others figured out how to ace the game.  Anybody who died in Vietnam died for nothing.  They did not die to protect their country, because their country was never threatened.  Reality.

And you can thank Kennedy & LBJ for that sh*t. And the French.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

obamasucks,

I realize that going to war,  regardless if you're doing it for reagan or obama or bush or carter or sanders or hillary or any other politician who happens to be "commander-in-chief" at the time,  is for you,  by far the greatest thing you could ever do with your life.  
You live and breathe it.  It's the ONLY reason for you to even have life.
And I also fully realize that nothing can ever be said,  by anyone,  to even attempt to change your mind about that until you die.

But there is a big difference between chickens, and  hawks, and chickenhawks.  

In your world,  Dick Cheney and Sanders and me,  would all be chickens.
We would be chickens because we couldn't make any sense out of being sent to the other side of the world to kill or get killed by people who we knew nothing about and who had done nothing to harm us who were called "gooks" because of some wrong-headed notion of a "domino theory".

But that's all people like Sanders and me have in common with people like Cheney.
Because Cheney is not just a chicken,  he's also a chickenhawk.
A chickenhawk is not just a chicken like me and Sanders,  he's a chicken who's also a hawk.
Chickenhawks not only want to avoid putting their own asses on the line,  they ALSO want to put everybody else's ass on the line in their place.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Markle wrote:DESPERATION from far left Socialist/Communists here.

So many things are going from bad to worse for them that now their even dragging up the Vietnam War as if they have milked all they could out of the Iraq invasion.

The poster obamasucks is the one who "dragged up" the Vietnam war for this thread.  I didn't realize obamasucks was a socialist and a communist.

I'm certainly not a socialist or a communist.  For all my working life, I was engaged in the most pure form of capitalism there is.  A much truer form of capitalism than any bush or clinton was ever involved in.  The clintons don't even know what real capitalism is and the type of "capitalism" the Bushes engaged in with their Saudi cohorts is not what I would call capitalism. More like bullshit.

Sal

Sal

Bernie Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War, his campaign confirmed to ABC News.

Sanders's political and anti-war activism in the 1960s and '70s has been well-documented. While at the University of Chicago, he was a member of several progressive peace organizations, including the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and the Student Peace Union.

As a congressman and later senator, Sanders has rarely voted to authorize the use of force.

In 1991, he stood in opposition to the first Gulf War, voting against military involvement in the country even after Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. "I think we could've gotten Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait in a way that did not require a war," he told ABC's Martha Raddatz Sunday on "This Week," arguing that with the world in agreement, other options were available, including sanctions.

"The cost of war is great, and it is far more than the hundreds of billions of dollars we spend on planes, tanks, missiles and guns," Sanders wrote in an opinion piece in the Boston Globe last summer. "The cost of war is more than 6,800 service members who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. The cost of war is caring for the spouses and children who have to rebuild their lives after the loss of their loved ones. It's about hundreds of thousands of men and women coming home from war with post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury, many of them having difficulty keeping jobs in order to pay their bills. It's about high divorce rates. It's about the terrible tragedy of veterans committing suicide," he wrote.

Damn!

He's sounds like just the guy we need.

I'm an even bigger fan than I was before reading this.

Thanks, Sucksguy!

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I'd say we need to reconsider where we stand ..The treasuries empty and the US is the most hated country in the world.....somebody should object.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

EmeraldGhost wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Anybody who volunteered to fight in Vietnam was simply ultra stupid.  Anybody who didn't find a way to cheat the draft was equally stupid.

Cheney, Clinton, Romney. Limbaugh and others figured out how to ace the game.  Anybody who died in Vietnam died for nothing.  They did not die to protect their country, because their country was never threatened.  Reality.

And you can thank Kennedy & LBJ for that sh*t.    And the French.

You're absolutely right. We can also thank white racism and American imperialism. Can you imagine, the U.S. actually supported French rule of Vietnam? America the alleged land of the free was all for France to forcibly rule over the Vietnamese people. But lest you think you scored against the democrats, Nixon was no better with his policies on Vietnam. Of course, we all now know he was a white racist pig too.

polecat

polecat

Bernie should have manned up like Ted ''Brown Load'' Nugent and
Wayne ''Nervous Hospital'' LaPierre.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

TEOTWAWKI wrote:I'd say we need to reconsider where we stand ..The treasuries empty and the US is the most hated country in the world.....somebody should object.

That's exactly what Bernie is doing. Trump too, in his own demented way. LOL

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Wordslinger wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I'd say we need to reconsider where we stand ..The treasuries empty and the US is the most hated country in the world.....somebody should object.

That's exactly what Bernie is doing.  Trump too, in his own demented way.  LOL

We could take the thousands of hours of cable tv talking head punditry we've all been subjected to for the last month or so;  and replace it all with that short post teo wrote and your reply to it.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Bob wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:I'd say we need to reconsider where we stand ..The treasuries empty and the US is the most hated country in the world.....somebody should object.

That's exactly what Bernie is doing.  Trump too, in his own demented way.  LOL

We could take the thousands of hours of cable tv talking head punditry we've all been subjected to for the last month or so;  and replace it all with that short post teo wrote and your reply to it.

There are a lot of times when Teo and I agree, and a lot of times we don't. I enjoy jousting with him ... you too! thanks ..

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