Got this Email .."encouraging" me to get "my"flu shot...a-holes.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:You are receiving this email because at least one of your facilities is
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I get that stuff every year, Teo. I just quietly tell them no. And no reason given.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:You are receiving this email because at least one of your facilities is
requesting you join them in protecting against the flu. An annual
seasonal flu vaccine is the best way to reduce the chances of getting
(or giving) the flu. Please be sure to get your annual flu vaccination
and submit your documentation to Reptrax before Oct. 1, 2012. Join your
facilities in their effort to protect yourself, your family and
co-workers as well as patients and visitors against the flu.

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I get that stuff every year, Teo. I just quietly tell them no. And no reason given.

I just say no also...it just means I wear a mask when I am on the job. I
understand my responsibility to the patient but I don't owe them my
health. I had a flu shot many years ago. It laid me out...never again.

They are only 59% effective, but in my health condition a flu shot is a necessity. I have been sick twice off the damn shot. However, I lost my great grandfather in the 1918 flu epidemic, and we have been dodging bullets thinking that it cannot happen again. Pursuit of perfect can be a real impediment to implementation of good. six out of ten seasons the flu shot will protect me........I will take those odds. With only one healthy lung....when you have a respiratory illness.....it is no fun. Think about a 250 lb man standing on your chest......and then for fun put a garbage bag over your head.

I don't get flu shots either. There is a lady in Bagdad that got one when she was 35 and has been a parpelgic ever since. It's very sad.

I'm getting my shot just as soon as my voucher (from insurance company) comes in... it's been ordered and it'll be in the mail soon. I have never gotten sick from the flu shot. Got one last year.

I get a kick out of a story about a paraplegic lady in the Middle East... when THOUSANDS of people die in the US each year from the flu... THOUSANDS!

Life is a numbers game and I am going to play the odds that are in my favor.

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't get flu shots either. There is a lady in Bagdad that got one when she was 35 and has been a parpelgic ever since. It's very sad.

Makes as much sense as all your other positions.

A WOMAN...in BAGDAD got a flu shot and is a parpelgic. In that same time frame, how many people have died of...flu?

Good for you, wise decisions as always.

Markle wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I don't get flu shots either. There is a lady in Bagdad that got one when she was 35 and has been a parpelgic ever since. It's very sad.

Makes as much sense as all your other positions.

A WOMAN...in BAGDAD got a flu shot and is a parpelgic. In that same time frame, how many people have died of...flu?

Good for you, wise decisions as always.

In all fairness to Dreams, lots of other people have side effects, from getting a mild case of the flu, to severe reactions, including Guillain-Barre syndrome . http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001704/

It is just that I would rather take a low percentage of having a side effect to a higher percentage of getting the flu... and possibly becoming one of those thousands that die in the US each year from the flu.

It is impossible to get sick from the flu shot. just saying

Yomama wrote:I'm getting my shot just as soon as my voucher (from insurance company) comes in... it's been ordered and it'll be in the mail soon. I have never gotten sick from the flu shot. Got one last year.

I get a kick out of a story about a paraplegic lady in the Middle East... when THOUSANDS of people die in the US each year from the flu... THOUSANDS!

Life is a numbers game and I am going to play the odds that are in my favor.

Not the middle east.Bagdad,Fl -a few miles from me in Santa Rosa County. Flu shots don't guarantee you won't get the flu-50/50 chance.

Dreamsglore wrote:Not the middle east.Bagdad,Fl -a few miles from me in Santa Rosa County. Flu shots don't guarantee you won't get the flu-50/50 chance.

It doesn't increase the chances of you experiencing a side effect... Even if it happened to your next door neighbor. Where that person was located is irrelevant.

I assume that the person in Bagdad had Guillian-Bere Syndrome... A neurological ailment that causes varying degrees of paralysis and for many people, GBS is temporary.

Let's look at the numbers. Would you want a one in a million chance of getting GBS from the vaccine, or would you want a chance of one in a hundred thousand of dying from the flu? Simply put, you are ten times more likely to die of the flu than getting GBS. Life is a numbers game and I play the odds.

Oh, and the vaccine is 70-90% effective (shot) and the nasal vaccine is 90% effective... not 50% effective... But you're right - the flu vaccine has no guarantee that you won't get the flu.

Edit: There WAS one year, 1967 I believe, where the flu vaccine was dangerous. If all flu vaccines had as high a percentage of side effects as the 1967 vaccine, I wouldn't take it either.

Yomama wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Not the middle east.Bagdad,Fl -a few miles from me in Santa Rosa County. Flu shots don't guarantee you won't get the flu-50/50 chance.

It doesn't increase the chances of you experiencing a side effect... Even if it happened to your next door neighbor. Where that person was located is irrelevant.

I assume that the person in Bagdad had Guillian-Bere Syndrome... A neurological ailment that causes varying degrees of paralysis and for many people, GBS is temporary.

Let's look at the numbers. Would you want a one in a million chance of getting GBS from the vaccine, or would you want a chance of one in a hundred thousand of dying from the flu? Simply put, you are ten times more likely to die of the flu than getting GBS. Life is a numbers game and I play the odds.

Oh, and the vaccine is 70-90% effective (shot) and the nasal vaccine is 90% effective... not 50% effective... But you're right - the flu vaccine has no guarantee that you won't get the flu.

Edit: There WAS one year, 1967 I believe, where the flu vaccine was dangerous. If all flu vaccines had as high a percentage of side effects as the 1967 vaccine, I wouldn't take it either.

You're relying on misinformation.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/flu-shot-only-59-percent-effective_n_1032916.html

Dreamsglore wrote:

Yomama wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:Not the middle east.Bagdad,Fl -a few miles from me in Santa Rosa County. Flu shots don't guarantee you won't get the flu-50/50 chance.

It doesn't increase the chances of you experiencing a side effect... Even if it happened to your next door neighbor. Where that person was located is irrelevant.

I assume that the person in Bagdad had Guillian-Bere Syndrome... A neurological ailment that causes varying degrees of paralysis and for many people, GBS is temporary.

Let's look at the numbers. Would you want a one in a million chance of getting GBS from the vaccine, or would you want a chance of one in a hundred thousand of dying from the flu? Simply put, you are ten times more likely to die of the flu than getting GBS. Life is a numbers game and I play the odds.

Oh, and the vaccine is 70-90% effective (shot) and the nasal vaccine is 90% effective... not 50% effective... But you're right - the flu vaccine has no guarantee that you won't get the flu.

Edit: There WAS one year, 1967 I believe, where the flu vaccine was dangerous. If all flu vaccines had as high a percentage of side effects as the 1967 vaccine, I wouldn't take it either.

You're relying on misinformation.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm

Thanks Dreams........, the vaccine isn't for everyone and certainly shouldn't be required for otherwise healthy people.

Dreamsglore wrote:You're relying on misinformation.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/flu-shot-only-59-percent-effective_n_1032916.html

I don't think so, Dreams. The first link didn't tell me anything more than I already knew... that vaccines are predictions of what flu strains will be around in the near future and help build immunities against them. That is why I get them every year... to help prevent the flu that is expected to come around. This article did not mention any numbers about efficacy.

Let's assume that your Huffpo number is correct. (I don't think it is, but let's assume it is correct.) On the low side, 3000 people die in the US (high 49,000... probably the 1917 flu) from flu. If the vaccine prevents flu 59% of the time, it would save 1770 lives. I prefer to be one of those folks that the vaccine saves.

Y'all do your own thing... I'll do mine and statistically, I'll live longer.

Yomama wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You're relying on misinformation.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/flu-shot-only-59-percent-effective_n_1032916.html

I don't think so, Dreams. The first link didn't tell me anything more than I already knew... that vaccines are predictions of what flu strains will be around in the near future and help build immunities against them. That is why I get them every year... to help prevent the flu that is expected to come around. This article did not mention any numbers about efficacy.

Let's assume that your Huffpo number is correct. (I don't think it is, but let's assume it is correct.) On the low side, 3000 people die in the US (high 49,000... probably the 1917 flu) from flu. If the vaccine prevents flu 59% of the time, it would save 1770 lives. I prefer to be one of those folks that the vaccine saves.

Y'all do your own thing... I'll do mine and statistically, I'll live longer.

You didn't read the article. You have to get the vaccine that is the strain of flu for it to be effective and people do get the flu from the vaccine. The vaccine does not protect 70-90% of people.That is just false but if it makes you feel better than go ahead and live on false info.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Yomama wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You're relying on misinformation.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/flu-shot-only-59-percent-effective_n_1032916.html

I don't think so, Dreams. The first link didn't tell me anything more than I already knew... that vaccines are predictions of what flu strains will be around in the near future and help build immunities against them. That is why I get them every year... to help prevent the flu that is expected to come around. This article did not mention any numbers about efficacy.

Let's assume that your Huffpo number is correct. (I don't think it is, but let's assume it is correct.) On the low side, 3000 people die in the US (high 49,000... probably the 1917 flu) from flu. If the vaccine prevents flu 59% of the time, it would save 1770 lives. I prefer to be one of those folks that the vaccine saves.

Y'all do your own thing... I'll do mine and statistically, I'll live longer.

You didn't read the article. You have to get the vaccine that is the strain of flu for it to be effective and people do get the flu from the vaccine. The vaccine does not protect 70-90% of people.That is just false but if it makes you feel better than go ahead and live on false info.

This is something you and I agree on. I never get the flu shot. its just a money maker for big pharm.

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In fact, one shocking statistic brought to light in this video is that BEFORE the CDC advocated vaccinating children under the age of five, the number of children dying from the flu was very low, and on the decline.

Then, in 2003, just after children aged five and under started getting vaccinated, the number of flu deaths SKYROCKETED. The death toll was enormous compared to the previous year, when the flu vaccine was not administered en masse to that age group!
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/09/26/flu-vaccine-exposed.aspx

Yomama wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You're relying on misinformation.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthingswork/a/aa011604a.htm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27/flu-shot-only-59-percent-effective_n_1032916.html

I don't think so, Dreams. The first link didn't tell me anything more than I already knew... that vaccines are predictions of what flu strains will be around in the near future and help build immunities against them. That is why I get them every year... to help prevent the flu that is expected to come around. This article did not mention any numbers about efficacy.

Let's assume that your Huffpo number is correct. (I don't think it is, but let's assume it is correct.) On the low side, 3000 people die in the US (high 49,000... probably the 1917 flu) from flu. If the vaccine prevents flu 59% of the time, it would save 1770 lives. I prefer to be one of those folks that the vaccine saves.

Y'all do your own thing... I'll do mine and statistically, I'll live longer.

Have someone let us know what time the services are and we will pay our respects..statistically.

Dreamsglore wrote:You didn't read the article. You have to get the vaccine that is the strain of flu for it to be effective and people do get the flu from the vaccine. The vaccine does not protect 70-90% of people.That is just false but if it makes you feel better than go ahead and live on false info.

Dreams, apparently you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to catching the flu from a shot.

The shot, which is predominantly used for vaccinations, contains NO LIVE VIRUS. According to the CDC (a reliable source) at http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm, The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot.

You may be confused between the shot and the nasal spray, which contains live, but weakened viruses. People have experienced mild flu symptoms with this type of vaccination.

The nasal spray-more expensive and given to children and young adults, (also called LAIV or FluMist®): The viruses in the nasal-spray vaccine are weakened and do not cause severe symptoms often associated with influenza illness. (In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely.)

According to the FDA (a trusted source) http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm080754.htm, In clinical trials, FluMist was evaluated in 20,228 individuals, including over 10,000 children 5-17 years old. FluMist was effective in preventing influenza in approximately 87 percent of children in the trial.

The CDC at http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectivenessqa.htm,
How well do inactivated influenza vaccines work in randomized control trials?

As noted above, effectiveness varies with vaccine match and the age and immune function of the recipient. In general, the greatest benefits of influenza vaccines have been reported in randomized controlled trials (RCTs) conducted among healthy adults. For example, recent RCTs of inactivated influenza vaccine among adults under 65 years of age have estimated 50-70% vaccine efficacy during seasons in which the vaccines' influenza A components were well matched to circulating influenza A viruses (Beran et al., 2009, 2006-2007 season; Jackson et al., 2010, 2005-2006 season; Monto et al., 2009, 2007-2008 season). As vaccine efficacy from a randomized clinical trial is the gold standard for how well a vaccine actually works, vaccine effectiveness estimates obtained from observational studies can equal, but not exceed, estimates of efficacy. Many factors that can result in substantial bias in effectiveness studies tend to bias the vaccine effect downwards.
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In Summary, you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. The efficacy of shots can offer protection of 50-70% for a well-matched guess on the flu strains to come. The nasal spray provides up to 87% prevention.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Have someone let us know what time the services are and we will pay our respects..statistically.

Statistically, you won't be around...

Yomama wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You didn't read the article. You have to get the vaccine that is the strain of flu for it to be effective and people do get the flu from the vaccine. The vaccine does not protect 70-90% of people.That is just false but if it makes you feel better than go ahead and live on false info.

Dreams, apparently you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to catching the flu from a shot.

The shot, which is predominantly used for vaccinations, contains NO LIVE VIRUS. According to the CDC (a reliable source) at http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm, The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot.

You may be confused between the shot and the nasal spray, which contains live, but weakened viruses. People have experienced mild flu symptoms with this type of vaccination.

The nasal spray-more expensive and given to children and young adults, (also called LAIV or FluMist®): The viruses in the nasal-spray vaccine are weakened and do not cause severe symptoms often associated with influenza illness. (In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely.)

According to the FDA (a trusted source) http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm080754.htm, In clinical trials, FluMist was evaluated in 20,228 individuals, including over 10,000 children 5-17 years old. FluMist was effective in preventing influenza in approximately 87 percent of children in the trial.

The CDC at http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectivenessqa.htm,
How well do inactivated influenza vaccines work in randomized control trials?

As noted above, effectiveness varies with vaccine match and the age and immune function of the recipient. In general, the greatest benefits of influenza vaccines have been reported in randomized controlled trials (RCTs) conducted among healthy adults. For example, recent RCTs of inactivated influenza vaccine among adults under 65 years of age have estimated 50-70% vaccine efficacy during seasons in which the vaccines' influenza A components were well matched to circulating influenza A viruses (Beran et al., 2009, 2006-2007 season; Jackson et al., 2010, 2005-2006 season; Monto et al., 2009, 2007-2008 season). As vaccine efficacy from a randomized clinical trial is the gold standard for how well a vaccine actually works, vaccine effectiveness estimates obtained from observational studies can equal, but not exceed, estimates of efficacy. Many factors that can result in substantial bias in effectiveness studies tend to bias the vaccine effect downwards.
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In Summary, you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. The efficacy of shots can offer protection of 50-70% for a well-matched guess on the flu strains to come. The nasal spray provides up to 87% prevention.

Believe that if you want,Eric but I'm not going to inject myself.It's a waste of time and money.Healthy adults don't need it. I've never had the flu.

Yomama wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Have someone let us know what time the services are and we will pay our respects..statistically.

Statistically, you won't be around...

Might surprise you....

Do the poor, lazy, and stupid get free flu shots from the government?
They get everything else for free. Just asking.

ghandi wrote:Do the poor, lazy, and stupid get free flu shots from the government?
They get everything else for free. Just asking.

No-just the senile old farks like you.

Yomama wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:You didn't read the article. You have to get the vaccine that is the strain of flu for it to be effective and people do get the flu from the vaccine. The vaccine does not protect 70-90% of people.That is just false but if it makes you feel better than go ahead and live on false info.

Dreams, apparently you do not know what you are talking about when it comes to catching the flu from a shot.

The shot, which is predominantly used for vaccinations, contains NO LIVE VIRUS. According to the CDC (a reliable source) at http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm, The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. [/b

You may be confused between the shot and the nasal spray, which contains live, but weakened viruses. People have experienced mild flu symptoms with this type of vaccination.

The nasal spray-more expensive and given to children and young adults, (also called LAIV or FluMist®): The viruses in the nasal-spray vaccine are weakened and do not cause severe symptoms often associated with influenza illness. (In clinical studies, transmission of vaccine viruses to close contacts has occurred only rarely.)

According to the FDA (a trusted source) http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/QuestionsaboutVaccines/ucm080754.htm, In clinical trials, FluMist was evaluated in 20,228 individuals, including over 10,000 children 5-17 years old. FluMist was effective in [b]preventing influenza in approximately 87 percent of children in the trial.

The CDC at http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/vaccination/effectivenessqa.htm,
How well do inactivated influenza vaccines work in randomized control trials?

As noted above, effectiveness varies with vaccine match and the age and immune function of the recipient. In general, the greatest benefits of influenza vaccines have been reported in randomized controlled trials (RCTs) conducted among healthy adults. For example, recent RCTs of inactivated influenza vaccine among adults under 65 years of age have estimated 50-70% vaccine efficacy during seasons in which the vaccines' influenza A components were well matched to circulating influenza A viruses (Beran et al., 2009, 2006-2007 season; Jackson et al., 2010, 2005-2006 season; Monto et al., 2009, 2007-2008 season). As vaccine efficacy from a randomized clinical trial is the gold standard for how well a vaccine actually works, vaccine effectiveness estimates obtained from observational studies can equal, but not exceed, estimates of efficacy. Many factors that can result in substantial bias in effectiveness studies tend to bias the vaccine effect downwards.
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In Summary, you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. The efficacy of shots can offer protection of 50-70% for a well-matched guess on the flu strains to come. The nasal spray provides up to 87% prevention.

Thanks Eric. Thats why I posted my first statement to this thrad.