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I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars
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Markle
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2 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/23/2014, 11:37 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Paul Wolfowitz: "We're dealing with a country that could really finance its own reconstruction."
Yeah, right. Neocon dork......
Yeah, right. Neocon dork......
3 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 1:27 am
2seaoat
Post war costs for wounded veterans will bring the total in the 4-6 trillion range......if you think broken people stop being paid for ........well not as long as Republicans do not hold office, because they do try to cut costs on the back of veterans. The Harvard study which I have posted repeatedly is dead cinch correct. That is like saying after 10 years of payment on a thirty year mortgage that the amounts paid equal the costs......sorry there is another 30-40 years on this war mortgage.
4 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:10 am
Wordslinger
$4.55 would have been far too much wasted on the wars we've lost in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And the bills continue to rise ...
And we continue to lose.
Pacedog says we won because we beat our opponents in the field.
But the facts are, these dumb, unwinnable wars accomplished absolutely nothing for the United States. They haven't made us safer, in fact we've created more enemies than were there when we started to make war on them. These senseless wars surely haven't made us any richer.
They have spilled a lot of our blood.
Just what did we get for our money?
We make any friends over there Pacedog? Did we create any functioning democracies?
What's it like wasting so much of your life Mr. Hero?
And the bills continue to rise ...
And we continue to lose.
Pacedog says we won because we beat our opponents in the field.
But the facts are, these dumb, unwinnable wars accomplished absolutely nothing for the United States. They haven't made us safer, in fact we've created more enemies than were there when we started to make war on them. These senseless wars surely haven't made us any richer.
They have spilled a lot of our blood.
Just what did we get for our money?
We make any friends over there Pacedog? Did we create any functioning democracies?
What's it like wasting so much of your life Mr. Hero?
5 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 9:11 am
Sal
Yeah, it was one hell of a deal.
We sent millions of young people and trillions in treasure and in return we got far less than nothing.
A disintegrating region and scores of broken kids both physically and spiritually, for whom we'll be caring for decades.
Just imagine if we'd taken that money and given all those kids college educations or vocational training, instead of pouring all that blood and treasure into the pockets of the MIC.
We sent millions of young people and trillions in treasure and in return we got far less than nothing.
A disintegrating region and scores of broken kids both physically and spiritually, for whom we'll be caring for decades.
Just imagine if we'd taken that money and given all those kids college educations or vocational training, instead of pouring all that blood and treasure into the pockets of the MIC.
6 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 9:14 am
KarlRove
called out again and all you can do is spin.....go figure. You are gonna start off 2015 just as much a mendacious prevaricator as you have always been.
BTW, every vet who has served 3 years earns the Post 9-11 GI BILL so a free education and living stipend is a given.
BTW, every vet who has served 3 years earns the Post 9-11 GI BILL so a free education and living stipend is a given.
7 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 12:58 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Sal wrote:Yeah, it was one hell of a deal.
We sent millions of young people and trillions in treasure and in return we got far less than nothing.
A disintegrating region and scores of broken kids both physically and spiritually, for whom we'll be caring for decades.
Just imagine if we'd taken that money and given all those kids college educations or vocational training, instead of pouring all that blood and treasure into the pockets of the MIC.
Just imagine where our country would be if we had never invaded Iraq in the first place or intervened militarily in Afghanistan........
Neither was really required as a result of the 9/11 attacks, and the war in Iraq wasn't even connected to those attacks (though the Bush administration did everything to conflate it this way).
Saddam Hussein was a paper-tiger.... He was no more dangerous to the world at large than Kim Jong Un is. He was easily contained without invading his F-ing country. And Afghanistan? The Taliban were not exporters of terror and were no threat to the United States.
All of this could have been responded to differently.
8 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 1:28 pm
2seaoat
The U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq will cost taxpayers $4 trillion to $6 trillion, taking into account the medical care of wounded veterans and expensive repairs to a force depleted by more than a decade of fighting, according to a new study by a Harvard researcher.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/study-iraq-afghan-war-costs-to-top-4-trillion/2013/03/28/b82a5dce-97ed-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html
I have posted this at least five times, yet nobody can dispute the fact that these wars are going to represent almost a third of the current debt of the United States. The only people lying are the ones who are trying to convince us that these wars were wise, accomplished something, and were a bargain.....they were none of those things. They almost bankrupted this country, and it will take a generation to pay for them when the babyboomers demanded tax cuts and got them while debt just compounded.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/study-iraq-afghan-war-costs-to-top-4-trillion/2013/03/28/b82a5dce-97ed-11e2-814b-063623d80a60_story.html
I have posted this at least five times, yet nobody can dispute the fact that these wars are going to represent almost a third of the current debt of the United States. The only people lying are the ones who are trying to convince us that these wars were wise, accomplished something, and were a bargain.....they were none of those things. They almost bankrupted this country, and it will take a generation to pay for them when the babyboomers demanded tax cuts and got them while debt just compounded.
9 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 1:56 pm
boards of FL
KarlRove wrote:http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf
How about 1.6 trillion instead. Liars.
Wow! So that complete failure of an endeavor only cost the US $1.6 trillion, thousands of American lives, and accomplished absolutely nothing?
That's just good old fashion republican fiscal conservatism right there!
Let's hear it for republicans, everyone! Their incredibly unpopular war that wasted lives and resources while destabilizing the middle east only cost US taxpayers $1.6 trillion! Horray! Horray!
USA! USA! USA!
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10 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:13 pm
Markle
2seaoat wrote:Post war costs for wounded veterans will bring the total in the 4-6 trillion range......if you think broken people stop being paid for ........well not as long as Republicans do not hold office, because they do try to cut costs on the back of veterans. The Harvard study which I have posted repeatedly is dead cinch correct. That is like saying after 10 years of payment on a thirty year mortgage that the amounts paid equal the costs......sorry there is another 30-40 years on this war mortgage.
I AM SO HAPPY to see that 2seaoat has FINALLY accepted the FACT that we are massively in debt and he has no clue how to pay this phenomenal amount of money.
Current Debt . . . $18.0 TRILLION
Unfunded Liabilities (money we have PROMISED, do not have, nor do we have it coming in)
Social Security. . . . $16.6 TRILLION
Prescription Drugs . $22.0 TRILLION
Medicare. . . . . . . . $87.5 TRILLION
Total Unfunded Liabilities $126.2 TRILLION!
Number of Households in 2010 = 112,611,029
Unfunded Liability Per Taxpayer $1,101,203.00
http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html
PLUS ObamaCare and Untold TRILLIONS more in TAXES
Since far left radical House Speaker Nancy Pelosi took office in January 1, 2007 our debt has increased by $12+ TRILLION.
EIGHT+ TRILLION since President Barack Hussein Obama took office. With Obama promise of ANOTHER TRILLION DEBT FOR 2013.
Why do Progressives DEMAND a far lower standard of living for our children and their children? What makes you so superior, so selfish that you think you deserve far more of what they will earn?
Saddling our children and their children with this massive debt is immoral, indefensible and, as we have seen, the lefties here don’t even try.
Shameful and immoral!
Shame on you!
When Social Security began, at what age did a person become eligible fro retirement benefits? What was the average life span of an American? What are they today?
11 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:22 pm
Markle
boards of FL wrote:KarlRove wrote:http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf
How about 1.6 trillion instead. Liars.
Wow! So that complete failure of an endeavor only cost the US $1.6 trillion, thousands of American lives, and accomplished absolutely nothing?
That's just good old fashion republican fiscal conservatism right there!
Let's hear it for republicans, everyone! Their incredibly unpopular war that wasted lives and resources while destabilizing the middle east only cost US taxpayers $1.6 trillion! Horray! Horray!
USA! USA! USA!
As you well know, the Middle East was stable when it was left to semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama by President Bush. President Obama was happy to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory. Remember how he told us that al Qaeda was on its heals, that HE had killed Osama bin Laden and that ISIS was the JUNIOR VARSITY of Terrorists.
As you well know too, our enemies no longer fear us, they laugh at us and our friends no longer trust us. Yeah, great progress...PROGRESSIVES.
12 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:25 pm
boards of FL
Markle - and republicans - can't even make accurate forecasts for the short-term or in areas that are somewhat obvious; hence why it is funny to see Markle citing "unfunded liabilities", which - correct me if I'm wrong - use a 75 year timeline.
This phrase is overused, but here it applies more than anywhere else. You really can't make this stuff up.
By a show of hands, who here has any confidence at all in Markle's ability to accurately assess government budgets 75 years into the future? Better yet, who here has any confidence in Markle's ability to even remember the last thread that he ran away from?
Don't all raise your hands at once now!
https://pensacoladiscussion.forumotion.com/t17901-speaking-of-hilarious-predictions-from-republicans
This phrase is overused, but here it applies more than anywhere else. You really can't make this stuff up.
By a show of hands, who here has any confidence at all in Markle's ability to accurately assess government budgets 75 years into the future? Better yet, who here has any confidence in Markle's ability to even remember the last thread that he ran away from?
Don't all raise your hands at once now!
https://pensacoladiscussion.forumotion.com/t17901-speaking-of-hilarious-predictions-from-republicans
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13 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:32 pm
KarlRove
Seems like you are full of spin BOF
14 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:37 pm
boards of FL
Markle wrote:boards of FL wrote:KarlRove wrote:http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf
How about 1.6 trillion instead. Liars.
Wow! So that complete failure of an endeavor only cost the US $1.6 trillion, thousands of American lives, and accomplished absolutely nothing?
That's just good old fashion republican fiscal conservatism right there!
Let's hear it for republicans, everyone! Their incredibly unpopular war that wasted lives and resources while destabilizing the middle east only cost US taxpayers $1.6 trillion! Horray! Horray!
USA! USA! USA!
As you well know, the Middle East was stable when it was left to semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama by President Bush. President Obama was happy to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory. Remember how he told us that al Qaeda was on its heals, that HE had killed Osama bin Laden and that ISIS was the JUNIOR VARSITY of Terrorists.
As you well know too, our enemies no longer fear us, they laugh at us and our friends no longer trust us. Yeah, great progress...PROGRESSIVES.
Dress it up however you like. Osama bin Laden wasn't sorted out until Obama took office, and the entire idea of war in Iraq was a complete disaster that never has and never will accomplish anything. Using the best estimates from KarlRove - $1.6 trillion wasted on this republican endeavor.
What is incredibly sad here is that there are still seemingly - and I stress seemingly here - competent adults who simply aren't capable of wrapping their heads around this painfully obvious fact. Seeing a republican such as Markle enter a thread like this and try and paint Iraq as a success in 2009 or any other period is like watching a physiologically fragile person try and convince him/herself of some untruth.
"I mean....Iraq...that was a success....hehehe..right? Uh....I mean....it has to have been, right?!?!? (wipes beads of sweat from brow) Wasn't it?!?! I mean....come on....Iraq was a success....yes?"
I have an honest question for you, Markle: Let's pretend we have a time machine and can return to 2012. Also, let's make you the president while we're at it. Holding everything else constant, you now have the ability to either go to war in Iraq, or not. Would you - Markle - push for war in Iraq? Knowing what we know now, was waging war on and occupying Iraq a good idea? Think of this as a litmus test only instead of the degree of acidity, it tests for stupid.
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15 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:38 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Markle wrote:As you well know, the Middle East was stable when it was left to semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama by President Bush.
No it wasn't. Your bullshit runs 20 fathoms deep!
16 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:38 pm
boards of FL
KarlRove wrote:Seems like you are full of spin BOF
Markle is citing budget timelines that extend out 75 years into the future in an attempt to make some point, and yet I am the one who is spinning here?
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17 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 3:45 pm
2seaoat
Seems like you are full of spin BOF
No, if you have noticed it, the rest of us have.....Mr. Markle is having problems with his understanding of threads. Debt is covered by revenue. A simple concept which requires increased revenue and continued budget cuts. Pretty simple concepts which are all beyond the reach of some. This country is growing stronger in every regard.
As you well know, the Middle East was stable when it was left to semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama by President Bush.
This statement alone confirms all our worse fears.....we are slowly losing Mr. Markle as a valuable contributor to this forum. The Middle east stable.....ok....after two thousand years of instability it is nice to know in one demented mind the Middle East was Stable.
No, if you have noticed it, the rest of us have.....Mr. Markle is having problems with his understanding of threads. Debt is covered by revenue. A simple concept which requires increased revenue and continued budget cuts. Pretty simple concepts which are all beyond the reach of some. This country is growing stronger in every regard.
As you well know, the Middle East was stable when it was left to semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama by President Bush.
This statement alone confirms all our worse fears.....we are slowly losing Mr. Markle as a valuable contributor to this forum. The Middle east stable.....ok....after two thousand years of instability it is nice to know in one demented mind the Middle East was Stable.
18 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 5:14 pm
othershoe1030
Sad to say stability and freedom/democracy do not always go hand in hand. The region was a lot more stable when it was run by strong-arm dictators like Saddam in Iraq. Bush senior had enough sense to leave him in power but W couldn't stand it and by some reports planned an invasion well before 911. W's dream of installing a democracy as a model for the region was just a pipe dream. One thing has lead to another and we see the mess that has followed.
Incredibly the wishfully infallible Bush/Cheney administration think it all turned out really well and even knowing what they know today would do it all over again. Why would we trust our foreign policy to the Republicans when they can't even accurately assess the present much less recognize the consequences of their actions?
If it was stability we were aiming for we should have just left the region alone.
Incredibly the wishfully infallible Bush/Cheney administration think it all turned out really well and even knowing what they know today would do it all over again. Why would we trust our foreign policy to the Republicans when they can't even accurately assess the present much less recognize the consequences of their actions?
If it was stability we were aiming for we should have just left the region alone.
19 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 7:12 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
othershoe1030 wrote:Sad to say stability and freedom/democracy do not always go hand in hand. The region was a lot more stable when it was run by strong-arm dictators like Saddam in Iraq. Bush senior had enough sense to leave him in power but W couldn't stand it and by some reports planned an invasion well before 911. W's dream of installing a democracy as a model for the region was just a pipe dream. One thing has lead to another and we see the mess that has followed.
Incredibly the wishfully infallible Bush/Cheney administration think it all turned out really well and even knowing what they know today would do it all over again. Why would we trust our foreign policy to the Republicans when they can't even accurately assess the present much less recognize the consequences of their actions?
If it was stability we were aiming for we should have just left the region alone.
Excellent post, Othershoe. Everything we see in Iraq today was a predictable outcome of George Bush's foolish military foray into Iraq.
20 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 7:57 pm
knothead
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:othershoe1030 wrote:Sad to say stability and freedom/democracy do not always go hand in hand. The region was a lot more stable when it was run by strong-arm dictators like Saddam in Iraq. Bush senior had enough sense to leave him in power but W couldn't stand it and by some reports planned an invasion well before 911. W's dream of installing a democracy as a model for the region was just a pipe dream. One thing has lead to another and we see the mess that has followed.
Incredibly the wishfully infallible Bush/Cheney administration think it all turned out really well and even knowing what they know today would do it all over again. Why would we trust our foreign policy to the Republicans when they can't even accurately assess the present much less recognize the consequences of their actions?
If it was stability we were aiming for we should have just left the region alone.
Excellent post, Othershoe. Everything we see in Iraq today was a predictable outcome of George Bush's foolish military foray into Iraq.
AMEN . . . . great post OS and Merry Christmas!
21 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 8:57 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Markle wrote:EIGHT+ TRILLION since President Barack Hussein Obama took office. With Obama promise of ANOTHER TRILLION DEBT FOR 2013.
We are getting ready to enter 2015. It looks like the Cut-and-Paste master failed to update his outdated material before posting it....
22 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 11:34 pm
othershoe1030
knothead wrote:ZVUGKTUBM wrote:othershoe1030 wrote:Sad to say stability and freedom/democracy do not always go hand in hand. The region was a lot more stable when it was run by strong-arm dictators like Saddam in Iraq. Bush senior had enough sense to leave him in power but W couldn't stand it and by some reports planned an invasion well before 911. W's dream of installing a democracy as a model for the region was just a pipe dream. One thing has lead to another and we see the mess that has followed.
Incredibly the wishfully infallible Bush/Cheney administration think it all turned out really well and even knowing what they know today would do it all over again. Why would we trust our foreign policy to the Republicans when they can't even accurately assess the present much less recognize the consequences of their actions?
If it was stability we were aiming for we should have just left the region alone.
Excellent post, Othershoe. Everything we see in Iraq today was a predictable outcome of George Bush's foolish military foray into Iraq.
AMEN . . . . great post OS and Merry Christmas!
Thanks for the kind words! Merry Christmas to all!
Your posts make me proud to be a progressive!
23 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/24/2014, 11:38 pm
othershoe1030
In his own words.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
24 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/25/2014, 12:40 am
2seaoat
In his own words.
He was smart, articulate, and right. What happened?
He was smart, articulate, and right. What happened?
25 Re: I keep hearing the troll liberals saying we've spent 5 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Astan, but Congress says you are all liars 12/25/2014, 12:41 am
ZVUGKTUBM
othershoe1030 wrote:In his own words. (fixed it for you)
Fucker....
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