Pensacola Discussion Forum
Would you like to react to this message? Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue.

This is a forum based out of Pensacola Florida.


You are not connected. Please login or register

Torture Report Released ....

+7
KarlRove
boards of FL
TEOTWAWKI
gatorfan
Floridatexan
knothead
Sal
11 posters

Go to page : 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Go down  Message [Page 1 of 4]

1Torture Report Released .... Empty Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 1:45 pm

Sal

Sal

.... Dick Cheney gives it five stars!!

Interrogations that lasted for days on end. Detainees forced to stand on broken legs, or go 180 hours in a row without sleep. A prison so cold, one suspect essentially froze to death. The Senate Intelligence Committee is finally releasing its review of the CIA's detention and interrogation programs. And it is brutal.

Here are some of the most gruesome moments of detainee abuse from a summary of the report, obtained by The Daily Beast:

‘Well Worn’ Waterboards

The CIA has previously said that only three detainees were ever waterboarded: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Abu Zabaydah, and Abd Al Rahim al-Nashiri. But records uncovered by the Senate Intelligence Committee suggest there may have been more than three subjects. The Senate report describes a photograph of a “well worn” waterboard, surrounded by buckets of water, at a detention site where the CIA has claimed it never subjected a detainee to this procedure. In a meeting with the CIA in 2013, the agency was not able to explain the presence of this waterboard.

Near Drowning

Contrary to CIA’s description to the Department of Justice, the Senate report says that the waterboarding was physically harmful, leading to convulsions and vomiting. During one session, detainee Abu Zabaydah became “completely unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth.” Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded at least 183 times, which the Senate report describes as escalating into a "series of near drownings."

The Dungeon-Like ‘Salt Pit’

Opened in Sept. 2002, this “poorly-managed” detention facility was the second site opened by the CIA after 9/11. The Senate report refers to it by the pseudonym Cobalt, but details of what happened there indicate that it’s a notorious “black site” in Afghanistan known as the Salt Pit. Although the facility kept few formal records, the committee concluded that untrained CIA operatives conducted unauthorized, unsupervised interrogation there.

A Senate aide who briefed reporters on the condition that he not be identified said that the Cobalt site was run by a junior officer who with no relevant experience, and that this person had “issues” in his background that should have disqualified him from working for the CIA at all. The aide didn’t specify what those issues were, but suggested that the CIA should have flagged them. The committee found that some employees at the site lacked proper training and had “histories of violence and mistreatment of others.”

Standing on Broken Legs

In Nov. 2002, a detainee who had been held partially nude and chained to the floor died, apparently from hypothermia. This case appears similar to the that of Gul Rahman, who died of similarly explained causes at a Afghan site known as the "Salt Pit," also in Nov. 2002. The site was also called ‘The Dark Prison’ by former captives.

The aide said that the Cobalt site was was dark, like a dungeon, and that experts who visited the site said they’d never seen an American prison where people were kept in such conditions. The facility was so dark in some places that guard had to wear head lamps, while other rooms were flooded with bright lights and white noise to disorient detainees.

At the Cobalt facility, the CIA also forced some detainees who had broken feet or legs to stand in stress-inducing positions, despite having earlier pledged that they wouldn’t subject those wounded individuals to treatment that might exacerbate their injuries.

Non-stop Interrogation

Beginning with Abu Zubaydah, and following with other detainees, the CIA deployed the harshest techniques from the beginning without trying to first elicit information in an “open, non-threatening manner,” the committee found. The torture continued nearly non-stop, for days or weeks at a time.

The CIA instructed personnel at the site that the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, who’d been shot during his capture, should take “precedence over his medical care,” the committee found, leading to an infection in a bullet wound incurred during his capture. The CIA’s instructions also ran contrary to how it told the Justice Department the prisoner would be treated.

Forced Rectal Feeding and Worse

At least five detainees were subjected to “rectal feeding” or “rectal hydration,” without any documented medical need. "While IV infusion is safe and effective," one officer wrote, rectal hydration could be used as a form of behavior control.

Others were deprived of sleep, which could involve staying awake for up to 180 hours—sometimes standing, sometimes with their hands shackled above their heads.

Some detainees were forced to walk around naked, or shackled with their hands above their heads. In other instances, naked detainees were hooded and dragged up and down corridors while subject to physical abuse.

At one facility, detainees were kept in total darkness and shackled in cells with loud noise or music, and only a bucket to use for waste.

Lost Detainees

While the CIA has said publicly that it held about 100 detainees, the committee found that at least 119 people were in the agency’s custody.

“The fact is they lost track and they didn’t really know who they were holding,” the Senate aide said, noting that investigators found emails in which CIA personnel were “surprised” to find some people in their custody. The CIA also determined that at least 26 of its detainees were wrongfully held. Due to the agency’s poor record-keeping, it may never be known precisely how many detainees were held, and how they were treated in custody, the committee found.

No Blockbuster Intelligence

The report will conclude that the CIA’s interrogation techniques never yielded any intelligence about imminent terrorist attacks. Investigators didn’t conclude that no information came from the program at all. Rather, the committee rejects the CIA’s contention that information came from the program that couldn’t have been obtained through other means.

“When you put detainees through these [torture sessions] they will say whatever they can say to get the interrogations to stop,” the Senate aide said.

The Senate Intelligence Committee reviewed 20 cited examples of intelligence “successes” that the CIA identified from the interrogation program and found that there was no relationship between a cited counterterrorism success and the techniques used. Furthermore, the information gleaned during torture sessions merely corroborated information already available to the intelligence community from other sources, including reports, communications intercepts, and information from law enforcement agencies, the committee found. The CIA had told policymakers and the Department of Justice that the information from torture was unique or “otherwise unavailable.” Such information comes from the “kind of good national security tradecraft that we rely on to stop terrorist plots at all times,” the Senate aide said.

In developing the enhanced interrogation techniques, the report said, the CIA failed to review the historical use of coercive interrogations. The resulting techniques were described as "discredited coercive interrogation techniques such as those used by torturous regimes during the Cold War to elicit false confessions," according to the committee. The CIA acknowledged that it never properly reviewed the effectiveness of these techniques, despite the urging of the CIA inspector general, Congressional leadership and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice.

Contractors and Shrinks

The CIA relied on two outside contractors who were psychologists with experience at the Air Force’s Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape school to help develop, run, and assess the interrogation program. Neither had experience as an interrogator, nor any specialized knowledge of al-Qaeda, counterterrorism or relevant linguistic expertise, the committee found. In 2005, these two psychologists formed a company, and following this the CIA outsourced virtually all aspects of the interrogation program to them. The company was paid more than $80 million by the CIA.

Lies to the President

An internal report by the CIA, known as the Panetta Review, found that there were numerous inaccuracies in the way the agency represented the effectiveness of interrogation techniques—and that the CIA misled the president about this. The CIA’s records also contradict the evidence the agency provided of some "thwarted" terrorist attacks and the capture of suspects, which the CIA linked to the use of these enhanced techniques. The Senate's report also concludes that there were cases in which White House questions were not answered truthfully or completely.

Cover-Ups

In the early days of the program, CIA officials briefed the leadership of the House Intelligence Committee. Few records of that session remain, but Senate investigators found a draft summary of the meeting, written by a CIA lawyers, that notes lawmakers “questioned the legality of these techniques.” But the lawyer deleted that line from the final version of the summary. The Senate investigators found that Jose Rodriguez, once the CIA’s top spy and a fierce defender of the interrogation program, made a note on the draft approving of the deletion: “Short and sweet,” Rodriguez wrote of the newly revised summary that failed to mention lawmakers’ concerns about the legality of the program.

Threats to Mothers

CIA officers threatened to harm detainees' children, sexually abuse their mothers, and "cut [a detainee's] mother's throat." In addition, several detainees were led to believe they would die in custody, with one told he would leave in a coffin-shaped box.

Detainees wouldn't see their day in court because "we can never let the world know what I have done to you," one interrogator said.

Sexual Assault by Interrogators

Officers in the CIA's Detention and Interrogation Program included individuals who the committee said, "among other things, had engaged in inappropriate detainee interrogations, had workplace anger management issues, and had reportedly admitted to sexual assault."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/09/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report.html

Guest


Guest

I feel so much more morally appeased just letting obama kill them or ship them off to foreign torture chambers.

Hell... Obama can even assassinate american citizens now. I feel better already. Kumbaya everyone?

Sal

Sal

Buckle your seat belts ...

... this is undoubtedly the most incendiary material to the Muslim world released since that video that sparked the BENGHAZIIII!!!!! attack.

Guest


Guest

Btw... this is political. This report was entirely democrats... with no mention of house democrats (pelosi) being briefed.

knothead

knothead

From listening to the pundits all this has been well known for a very long time so I guess this simply reveals the details as lurid as they are. To pkr's point, it is rather odd that this issue, like most seem to divide on ideological lines with each party lining up on their respective positions. Political? Absolutely, everything done in DC is political . . . .

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Guest


Guest

I'm not condoning torture... just pointing out the hypocrisy. Is killing them the moral high ground today?

Guest


Guest

Floridatexan wrote:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/pelosis-tortured-denials/

Pelosi herself now concedes that she knew about the CIA program — including the waterboarding — far earlier than she had led the public to believe. Her calls for a "Truth Commission"come six years after she now admits that she first learned about the CIA enhanced interrogation program.

gatorfan



It's well known torture doesn't produce reliable results and that the CIA routinely lies and hides behind their mostly artificial cloak of secrecy. The NVA tortured U.S. troops for years using FAR WORSE techniques and gained nothing but a little meaningless propaganda trash from a few who played their game.

Of course liberals could care less about that little factoid.

10Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 3:43 pm

Sal

Sal

gatorfan wrote:
Of course liberals could care less about that little factoid.


That it doesn't work or that the NVA did it?

11Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 3:48 pm

gatorfan



Sal wrote:
gatorfan wrote:
Of course liberals could care less about that little factoid.


That it doesn't work or that the NVA did it?

That it happened at all obviously.

12Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 4:21 pm

Sal

Sal

gatorfan wrote:It's well known torture doesn't produce reliable results and that the CIA routinely lies and hides behind their mostly artificial cloak of secrecy. The NVA tortured U.S. troops for years using FAR WORSE techniques and gained nothing but a little meaningless propaganda trash from a few who played their game.

Of course liberals could care less about that little factoid.

(emphasis mine)

In your original post above, you present two "factoids" ...

1) Torture is ineffective

2) The NVA also tortured

You then went on to say liberals don't care about that factoid.

I asked to which "factoid" that you presented are you referring?

And, you respond ...


gatorfan wrote:
That it happened at all obviously.
(emphasis mine)

You want to try it again from the top?



Last edited by Sal on 12/9/2014, 4:24 pm; edited 2 times in total

13Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 4:22 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Makes you proud like Sherman's "total war" murdering civilians or Sheridan's murderering while under peace treaty, the plains Indians....brings a tear...


.” Sherman himself admitted after the war that he was taught at West Point that he could be hanged for the things he did. But that did not stop Lincoln from personally conveying to Sheridan “the thanks of the Nation.”


factoid:
While the controversy over Columbus Day has died down in Colorado for the time being, our state has been reviving the memory of the Sand Creek Massacre, which occurred 150 years ago.

The massacre was unprovoked. On November 29, 1864, more than 200 peaceful Cheyenne and Arapaho villagers (mostly elderly men, women and children) were gathered at Fort Lyon seeking a peace treaty with the U.S. government. They were living there under the protection of the U.S. Army when they were attacked by a volunteer federalized regiment of the U.S. Army. Babies were smashed onto the rocks, scalps were taken and then heads and other body parts were paraded as battle trophies to cheering Denverites.
Cheyenne Chief Black Kettle had just returned from Washington, D.C. where President Lincoln gave him a gigantic American flag. As the butchery commenced, he waved that flag and a white flag of peace. Arapaho Chief Left Hand (Niwot) told the soldiers — in English — that he was their friend before they killed him.

14Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 4:42 pm

gatorfan



Sal wrote:
gatorfan wrote:It's well known torture doesn't produce reliable results and that the CIA routinely lies and hides behind their mostly artificial cloak of secrecy. The NVA tortured U.S. troops for years using FAR WORSE techniques and gained nothing but a little meaningless propaganda trash from a few who played their game.

Of course liberals could care less about that little factoid.

(emphasis mine)

In your original post above, you present two "factoids" ...

1) Torture is ineffective

2) The NVA also tortured

You then went on to say liberals don't care about that factoid.

I asked to which "factoid" that you presented are you referring?

And, you respond ...


gatorfan wrote:
That it happened at all obviously.
(emphasis mine)

You want to try it again from the top?

Poor thing, let me explain those few words so even you can understand.

The NVA tortured using far worse techniques. Of course liberals could care less about that little factoid.

There! All cleaned up and simplified just for you!!!!

Happy now? As if it makes any difference.

It's like spoon feeding a baby. I believe you have just proven that you are in fact the same person as BoF.

15Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 4:48 pm

Sal

Sal

You're correct.

I really don't care that the NVA tortured.

I'd like to think we are better than our enemies.

And, it's irrelevant if you believe torture is morally wrong and ineffectual to boot.

Your communications skills are simply pathetic.

16Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 4:51 pm

boards of FL

boards of FL

gatorfan wrote:I believe you have just proven that you are in fact the same person as BoF.


And you just confirmed that you're an idiot.


_________________
I approve this message.

17Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 4:53 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:I believe you have just proven that you are in fact the same person as BoF.


And you just confirmed that you're an idiot.
Naw I think Sal and BOF were joined at the head at birth and after the operation only one of them got the brain.....

18Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 4:58 pm

Sal

Sal

Sherman did the whole nation a great service when he bitch-slapped most of Dixie’s insane diehards into the realization they were defeated.

19Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 5:01 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal wrote:Sherman did the whole nation a great service when he bitch-slapped most of Dixie’s insane diehards into the realization they were defeated.
Yeah like I said BOF got the brain....

20Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 5:03 pm

gatorfan



Sal wrote:You're correct.

I really don't care that the NVA tortured.



Your communications skills are simply pathetic.

Coming from a mindless drone who has never experienced a cogent thought that's pretty funny.

You're a morally bankrupt fool.

21Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 5:11 pm

gatorfan



boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:I believe you have just proven that you are in fact the same person as BoF.


And you just confirmed that you're an idiot.

And you just confirmed you are the King Idiot on this increasingly boring forum. I have yet to see any difference between you and Sal. Then again maybe D/E was right in another thread and you are just butt buddies.

As if it matters since one would never see a meaningful post by someone named "Sal" or BoF".

22Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 5:12 pm

Sal

Sal

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Sal wrote:Sherman did the whole nation a great service when he bitch-slapped most of Dixie’s insane diehards into the realization they were defeated.
Yeah like I said BOF got the brain....

A 150 year old sulk.

Well, you've gained about 50 pounds per capita and forgotten how to ride horses, but you're still out there hating and sulking.

Funny stuff.

23Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 5:13 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Save your dixie cups the south will rise again....

24Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 5:21 pm

Sal

Sal

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Save your dixie cups the south will rise again....

Ahhh, the glory days ....

.... when the traitors rose up and killed 300,000 loyal American soldiers in defense of the most vile social system since Sparta.

25Torture Report Released .... Empty Re: Torture Report Released .... 12/9/2014, 5:24 pm

boards of FL

boards of FL

gatorfan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:I believe you have just proven that you are in fact the same person as BoF.


And you just confirmed that you're an idiot.

And you just confirmed you are the King Idiot on this increasingly boring forum. I have yet to see any difference between you and Sal. Then again maybe D/E was right in another thread and you are just butt buddies.

As if it matters since one would never see a meaningful post by someone named "Sal" or BoF".



What would I have to be butthurt about? The fact that people like Markle and PkrBum are regularly at a loss for words in political discussion is no cause for me to be butthurt. In fact, it is quite the contrary. It's hilarious!


_________________
I approve this message.

Sponsored content



Back to top  Message [Page 1 of 4]

Go to page : 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum