Releasing the CIA torture report

PkrBum wrote:Let's say a gang broke into your house and killed a member of your family... then kidnapped others.

You happen to capture one of them during the escape. What would you do to find out what you needed to know?

Targeting innocents takes many ethical and moral beliefs off the table imo.

Joanimaroni wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Let's say a gang broke into your house and killed a member of your family... then kidnapped others.

You happen to capture one of them during the escape. What would you do to find out what you needed to know?

Targeting innocents takes many ethical and moral beliefs off the table imo.

What you see and hear depends a good deal on where you are standing

PkrBum wrote:Let's say a gang broke into your house and killed a member of your family... then kidnapped others.

You happen to capture one of them during the escape. What would you do to find out what you needed to know?

Targeting innocents takes many ethical and moral beliefs off the table imo.

Sal wrote:Torture is against the law and diminishes both our humanity and our standing in the world.

If it's true that the Obama administration has been purposely delaying the release until after the midterms with the presumption that the Republicans will squash it, that is truly a stain on his Presidency.

nadalfan wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Let's say a gang broke into your house and killed a member of your family... then kidnapped others.

You happen to capture one of them during the escape. What would you do to find out what you needed to know?

Targeting innocents takes many ethical and moral beliefs off the table imo.

So in this case, the end justifies the means? I know some people feel that way. But, my question is whether or not the report should be released. Then we can see what techniques were used, whether those techniques were effective, whether those techniques were legal, etc. Do we have the right to know?

Floridatexan wrote:
Outgoing Senator Mark Udall has the perfect opportunity to release the report with impunity. I say, "Go for it."

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/the-secrets-that-senator-mark-udall-should-expose/382811/?single_page=true

PkrBum wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Outgoing Senator Mark Udall has the perfect opportunity to release the report with impunity.  I say, "Go for it."  

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/the-secrets-that-senator-mark-udall-should-expose/382811/?single_page=true

But you have no interest in disclosure of the cia in benghazi, the gunrunning to mexican drug cartels, irs targeting... etc.

PkrBum wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Outgoing Senator Mark Udall has the perfect opportunity to release the report with impunity.  I say, "Go for it."  

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/the-secrets-that-senator-mark-udall-should-expose/382811/?single_page=true

But you have no interest in disclosure of the cia in benghazi, the gunrunning to mexican drug cartels, irs targeting... etc.

PkrBum wrote:http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/01/exclusive-dozens-of-cia-operatives-on-the-ground-during-benghazi-attack/

Sources now tell CNN dozens of people working for the CIA were on the ground that night, and that the agency is going to great lengths to make sure whatever it was doing, remains a secret.

CNN has learned the CIA is involved in what one source calls an unprecedented attempt to keep the spy agency’s Benghazi secrets from ever leaking out.

Read: Analysis: CIA role in Benghazi underreported

Since January, some CIA operatives involved in the agency’s missions in Libya, have been subjected to frequent, even monthly polygraph examinations, according to a source with deep inside knowledge of the agency’s workings.

The goal of the questioning, according to sources, is to find out if anyone is talking to the media or Congress.

It is being described as pure intimidation, with the threat that any unauthorized CIA employee who leaks information could face the end of his or her career.

In exclusive communications obtained by CNN, one insider writes, “You don’t jeopardize yourself, you jeopardize your family as well.”

Another says, “You have no idea the amount of pressure being brought to bear on anyone with knowledge of this operation.”

“Agency employees typically are polygraphed every three to four years. Never more than that,” said former CIA operative and CNN analyst Robert Baer.

In other words, the rate of the kind of polygraphs alleged by sources is rare.

“If somebody is being polygraphed every month, or every two months it’s called an issue polygraph, and that means that the polygraph division suspects something, or they’re looking for something, or they’re on a fishing expedition. But it’s absolutely not routine at all to be polygraphed monthly, or bi-monthly,” said Baer.

PkrBum wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Outgoing Senator Mark Udall has the perfect opportunity to release the report with impunity.  I say, "Go for it."  

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/the-secrets-that-senator-mark-udall-should-expose/382811/?single_page=true

But you have no interest in disclosure of the cia in benghazi, the gunrunning to mexican drug cartels, irs targeting... etc.

gatorfan wrote:IF a report is released it will never show everything that has been done and is still being done. There are still interrogation sites in other countries - or as the CIA gently refers to them - "rendition sites".

Floridatexan wrote:

gatorfan wrote:IF a report is released it will never show everything that has been done and is still being done. There are still interrogation sites in other countries - or as the CIA gently refers to them - "rendition sites".

Please cite a source for that claim.

Floridatexan wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
Outgoing Senator Mark Udall has the perfect opportunity to release the report with impunity.  I say, "Go for it."  

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/11/the-secrets-that-senator-mark-udall-should-expose/382811/?single_page=true

But you have no interest in disclosure of the cia in benghazi, the gunrunning to mexican drug cartels, irs targeting... etc.

Maybe it's because I witnessed the attacks on Clinton...his administration was characterized by an almost constant witch hunt...but that's not the only reason I think these are pseudo-scandals.  It's completely obvious you're not open to discussing those reasons, since I have addressed each of them in previous posts.

Floridatexan wrote:
Whatever... those people may have been guilty of fraud...happens every day, but no one could tie President Clinton to any scandal.  It's a wonder he could do his job.  Someone planted Ms. Lewinsky in the WH; sorry he took the bait.

nadalfan wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Let's say a gang broke into your house and killed a member of your family... then kidnapped others.

You happen to capture one of them during the escape. What would you do to find out what you needed to know?

Targeting innocents takes many ethical and moral beliefs off the table imo.

So in this case, the end justifies the means?  I know some people feel that way.  But, my question is whether or not the report should be released.  Then we can see what techniques were used, whether those techniques were effective, whether those techniques were legal, etc.  Do we have the right to know?

Wordslinger wrote:

nadalfan wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Let's say a gang broke into your house and killed a member of your family... then kidnapped others.

You happen to capture one of them during the escape. What would you do to find out what you needed to know?

Targeting innocents takes many ethical and moral beliefs off the table imo.

So in this case, the end justifies the means?  I know some people feel that way.  But, my question is whether or not the report should be released.  Then we can see what techniques were used, whether those techniques were effective, whether those techniques were legal, etc.  Do we have the right to know?

It's our money that paid for that report.  What's to lose by making it public? Everyone knows we continue to execute and torture anyone, anywhere, anytime for God and Cuntry!  

Who will suffer if the report comes out?  Why does the government fight to keep it secret?

The issue is when and how much we torture ...

Screw Amerika Inc.! Corporate control of the government through campaign financing.