Why did Obama's literary agency say Obama was born in Kenya in his published bio?

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Right now my main concern is whether Mitt Romney wears boxers or briefs as underwear.... Or, something else........

They would be Swiss made shorts. He buys them when he goes over there to count his money.

PkrBum wrote:

Nekochan wrote:I've seen that argument made, but I don't think Constitutionally it even matters.

http://www.presidentusa.net/qualifications.html

article two section one... and the definition of "natural born" is in the 14th amendment.

On your link a bunch of immigration stuff comes up.

If he wins the election?
Weren't you saying recently that Romney has no chance?

Nekochan wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

Nekochan wrote:I've seen that argument made, but I don't think Constitutionally it even matters.

http://www.presidentusa.net/qualifications.html

article two section one... and the definition of "natural born" is in the 14th amendment.

On your link a bunch of immigration stuff comes up.

not sure what happened to that... i had to type it as i use my phone pretty exclusively these days. but the points i listed make the requirements clear.

See, I don't think the requirements are that clear in the 14th amendment.

what I heard is obama said he allowed his editor to lie to make him seem more worldly and exciting.

but this with all the other things makes you wonder. I think his citizenship is why his college records are closed.

I mean the birth cert he offered was obviously a fake, they didnt call blacks back then african americans for one thing.

this man is a fake. and we know so little about him. he just came out of no where. he wrote his own autobiography before even being anything. In order to win the senate he had all the other cadidates disqualified.

The man has something big to hide.

Nekochan wrote:See, I don't think the requirements are that clear in the 14th amendment.

The first few presidents obviously couldn't be born in the US. But I THINK it is a requirement now.

Barack just heard he was born in Kenya... see photo.

Yomama wrote:

Nekochan wrote:See, I don't think the requirements are that clear in the 14th amendment.

The first few presidents obviously couldn't be born in the US. But I THINK it is a requirement now.

Barack just heard he was born in Kenya... see photo.

It's not a requirement because babies born to US service people overseas are natural born citizens and can run for President.
I think one of the questions is that if a baby is born outside the USA and if only one parent is a US citizen--is that baby a natural born citizen? But I don't think anything in the Constitution is really clear on that.

Nekochan wrote:

Yomama wrote:

Nekochan wrote:See, I don't think the requirements are that clear in the 14th amendment.

The first few presidents obviously couldn't be born in the US. But I THINK it is a requirement now.

Barack just heard he was born in Kenya... see photo.

It's not a requirement because babies born to US service people overseas are natural born citizens and can run for President.
I think one of the questions is that if a baby is born outside the USA and if only one parent is a US citizen--is that baby a natural born citizen? But I don't think anything in the Constitution is really clear on that.

its clear on if you give up your citizenship and become a citizen of indonesia per say and never change it back. thats what I think is re vealed in his college records.

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Having parents with different nationalities would have given him a choice of citizenship but I do not know if Indonesian law allows him to have been an Indonesian citizen. His dad was from Kenya, wasn't he?
I makes no sense to me that anyone would denounce their US citizenship. But you can have duel citizenship, depending on the countries.

It is not an amendment. It is in the Constitution itself.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. "

Yomama wrote:It is not an amendment. It is in the Constitution itself.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. "

But does it say what a "natural born citizen" is?

Nekochan wrote:Having parents with different nationalities would have given him a choice of citizenship but I do not know if Indonesian law allows him to have been an Indonesian citizen. His dad was from Kenya, wasn't he?
I makes no sense to me that anyone would denounce their US citizenship. But you can have duel citizenship, depending on the countries.

he had two muslim dads. the second one was from indonesia and took him there as a child for muslim schooling. You had to be a citizen to go to school there.

the fourteenth amendment is where the definition of natural born is.

You have to be a citizen to go to school in Indonesia?

PkrBum wrote:the fourteenth amendment is where the definition of natural born is.

But it doesn't give a clear definition.

heres the so called birth cert.....all you got to do is look at it. its forged.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

i mean it look curved on one end, like 2 pieces and then the signiture at the bottom is on the paper that where it looks in the left hand corner that they are not one document. so many things weird about it.

Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952

This is the law that made an attempt to clear up the definition of natural born citizen.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.f6da51a2342135be7e9d7a10e0dc91a0/?vgnextoid=fa7e539dc4bed010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&vgnextchannel=fa7e539dc4bed010VgnVCM1000000ecd190aRCRD&CH=act

INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH


Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;


(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. 302 persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899

Nekochan wrote:You have to be a citizen to go to school in Indonesia?

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these are his school registration in indonesia

So....the gist of the discussion, as I see it is---did Obama's MOTHER meet any of the qualifications listed in the Immigration Act so that Obama was a US citizen at birth?

Sorry, Chrissy...I can't read it. My poor eyes.

Nekochan wrote:So....the gist of the discussion, as I see it is---did Obama's MOTHER meet any of the qualifications listed in the Immigration Act so that Obama was a US citizen at birth?

you know sherief apiro found a loop hole in hawaii's where people who wernt born there could get birth certs. so obama might have gotten one through that loop hole.

but I do think he gave up his citizenship(fake) and never got it back.

did you look at the birth cert?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

I looked at his BC....but I don't know legal from illegal.
Honestly, it really isn't important to me where he was born. I just want him out of the WH. But I think that if his mother was a US citizen, then he is a US citizen--UNLESS he renounced his citizenship. And good luck finding any evidence of that.