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Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam!

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Wordslinger

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Ms. Ingraham, known as a famous hard right pundit (perhaps as famous as Ann Coulter, and far prettier) admits "Iraq was better off before we invaded."

Can you hear Pacedog and Herr Markle choking? Or is that sobbing?

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/10/laura_ingrahams_epiphany_iraq_is_worse_than_before_we_went_in/?source=newsletter

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Hell... look at the waste of lives and cash in afghanistan. We'll barely be gone before the taliban is back in charge.

Gawd we're dumb.

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Wordslinger wrote:Ms. Ingraham, known as a famous hard right pundit (perhaps as famous as Ann Coulter, and far prettier) admits "Iraq was better off before we invaded."

Can you hear Pacedog and Herr Markle choking?  Or is that sobbing?

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/10/laura_ingrahams_epiphany_iraq_is_worse_than_before_we_went_in/?source=newsletter

Had Obama not cut and run, this is true. Had he finished the job and done right by those people, it's not the case. Bush fixed things with his surge that made up for the light footprint put in by Rumsfeld. I've admitted that on another thread. Obama chose to cut and run on his tenure to fulfill a campaign promise even though military advisors told him not to pull the plug. He did so anyhow. So, given the Obama version of Iraq, yes Iraqis were better under Saddam, but she isn't including Bush in that equation as he handed off a secure and stable nation to Obama who pissed it away.

2seaoat



Hell... look at the waste of lives and cash in afghanistan. We'll barely be gone before the taliban is back in charge.

Gawd we're dumb.


The guy who closes the barn door after the cow got out will always get blamed.

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2seaoat wrote:Hell... look at the waste of lives and cash in afghanistan. We'll barely be gone before the taliban is back in charge.

Gawd we're dumb.


The guy who closes the barn door after the cow got out will always get blamed.

And deservedly so when he was given instructions on how to keep the cow in the barn and let it out anyhow.

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2seaoat wrote:Hell... look at the waste of lives and cash in afghanistan. We'll barely be gone before the taliban is back in charge.

Gawd we're dumb.


The guy who closes the barn door after the cow got out will always get blamed.

Obama called the ball in that good war... or whatever he called it. They don't flash the death stats anymore...

ever wonder why?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Hell... look at the waste of lives and cash in afghanistan. We'll barely be gone before the taliban is back in charge.

Gawd we're dumb.


The guy who closes the barn door after the cow got out will always get blamed.

And deservedly so when he was given instructions on how to keep the cow in the barn and let it out anyhow.

You do have a point, that our presence might have ruled out the insane dissension now taking place. But eliminating the ancient tribal and religious hatreds that dominate that region would have required us to stay there, perhaps forever.

Laura Ingraham did slap Obama in her statement, for pulling out to soon. But she also said that Iraq was better off BEFORE WE INVADED. Although I seldom give Ms. Ingraham any credit whatever, I think she's right in this matter.

It's impossible to discuss American foreign policy towards Iraq without mentioning the original goals, which merged from stopping Saddam from getting nuclear weapons, to creating a functional democracy and a country that would be economically and militarily viable.

If you think Iraq was a functional democracy before Obama pulled our troops, you're delusional. We chose Maliki -- a Shiite -- and by so doing brought about the very chaos that's now occurring. Obviously, it was a bad choice -- Maliki shut out the Kurds and Sunnis -- and there goes the "functional democracy."

Neither under Bush nor Obama was our goal to remain as an occupying force, policing Iraq on an unlimited basis. The people of America were and are strongly against wasting any more blood or cash on Iraq.

Now that Mr. Obama has decided we must protect the tribes or religious groups that Isis has declared they will destroy (genocide), we're between a rock and a hard place; if we can't destroy Isis from the air, we'll have to do it with advisers, and that means boots on the ground.

Any president forced to make that decision will find himself a target from the right and the left.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:Ms. Ingraham, known as a famous hard right pundit (perhaps as famous as Ann Coulter, and far prettier) admits "Iraq was better off before we invaded."

Can you hear Pacedog and Herr Markle choking?  Or is that sobbing?

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/10/laura_ingrahams_epiphany_iraq_is_worse_than_before_we_went_in/?source=newsletter

Of course Iraq was better off under the reign of Saddam Hussein.

Iraq was FAR BETTER OFF when semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama took office and refused to take the advice of his military advisors and virtually everyone else, to maintain a peace keeping force of 30 or 40 thousand soldiers.

Our semi-retired President waited to long to negotiate an immunity agreement for our military. That is how our President managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

Semi-retired President Obama has placed us into an untenable position. Is this intentional or by accident? According to his campaign promises this is intentional.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Ms. Ingraham, known as a famous hard right pundit (perhaps as famous as Ann Coulter, and far prettier) admits "Iraq was better off before we invaded."

Can you hear Pacedog and Herr Markle choking?  Or is that sobbing?

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/10/laura_ingrahams_epiphany_iraq_is_worse_than_before_we_went_in/?source=newsletter

Of course Iraq was better off under the reign of Saddam Hussein.

Iraq was FAR BETTER OFF when semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama took office and refused to take the advice of his military advisors and virtually everyone else, to maintain a peace keeping force of 30 or 40 thousand soldiers.

Our semi-retired President waited to long to negotiate an immunity agreement for our military.  That is how our President managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

Semi-retired President Obama has placed us into an untenable position.  Is this intentional or by accident?  According to his campaign promises this is intentional.

Glad you agree with Laura Ingraham that Iraq was better off under Saddam. Too bad your cowboy hero was such a terrible decider!

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Ms. Ingraham, known as a famous hard right pundit (perhaps as famous as Ann Coulter, and far prettier) admits "Iraq was better off before we invaded."

Can you hear Pacedog and Herr Markle choking?  Or is that sobbing?

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/10/laura_ingrahams_epiphany_iraq_is_worse_than_before_we_went_in/?source=newsletter

Of course Iraq was better off under the reign of Saddam Hussein.

Iraq was FAR BETTER OFF when semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama took office and refused to take the advice of his military advisors and virtually everyone else, to maintain a peace keeping force of 30 or 40 thousand soldiers.

Our semi-retired President waited to long to negotiate an immunity agreement for our military.  That is how our President managed to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory.

Semi-retired President Obama has placed us into an untenable position.  Is this intentional or by accident?  According to his campaign promises this is intentional.

Glad you agree with Laura Ingraham that Iraq was better off under Saddam.  Too bad your cowboy hero was such a terrible decider!

When our semi-retired President took office, Iraq was stable and even he declared that the war was won and President Barack Hussein Obama and Vice President Joe Biden claimed it as a victory for THEIR administration.

I understand why you would..."forget" that detail.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Can you hear Pacedog and Herr Markle choking? Or is that sobbing?

It is too bad the Three Stooges could not have had Ingraham's epiphany BEFORE Bush made his calamitous decision to invade....


Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam! Untitl10

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Markle

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Can you hear Pacedog and Herr Markle choking? Or is that sobbing?

It is too bad the Three Stooges could not have had Ingraham's epiphany BEFORE Bush made his calamitous decision to invade....


Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam! Untitl10

So you agree that it is semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama's calamitous decision to go against the advice of his military advisors and virtually everyone else's advice which has caused the current catastrophe.

Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam! Obama-middle-east-burns-nobel-peace-prize-political-cartoon

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PkrBum wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Hell... look at the waste of lives and cash in afghanistan. We'll barely be gone before the taliban is back in charge.

Gawd we're dumb.


The guy who closes the barn door after the cow got out will always get blamed.

Obama called the ball in that good war... or whatever he called it. They don't flash the death stats anymore...

ever wonder why?

I guess not. Having trouble reconciling the lives lost with the political message? You should concentrate on results.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Can you hear Pacedog and Herr Markle choking? Or is that sobbing?

It is too bad the Three Stooges could not have had Ingraham's epiphany BEFORE Bush made his calamitous decision to invade....


Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam! Untitl10

So you agree that it is semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama's calamitous decision to go against the advice of his military advisors and virtually everyone else's advice which has caused the current catastrophe.

Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam! Obama-middle-east-burns-nobel-peace-prize-political-cartoon

Sure, my Nazi friend. All our presidents should listen to our losing generals.
There isn't any question in my mind that Obama went to the generals he respected and asked: If we withdraw can the Iraqi army do the job you've trained them to do?

To a man, our losing generals no doubt told him, "Yes, but it would be better for us to train them another year or so ..."

You guys who live for no other reason except to put down America's first black president have any evidence the generals told him the armies they'd trained weren't up to the job?

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Wordslinger wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Hell... look at the waste of lives and cash in afghanistan. We'll barely be gone before the taliban is back in charge.

Gawd we're dumb.


The guy who closes the barn door after the cow got out will always get blamed.

And deservedly so when he was given instructions on how to keep the cow in the barn and let it out anyhow.


Laura Ingraham did slap Obama in her statement, for pulling out to soon.  But she also said that Iraq was better off BEFORE WE INVADED.  .

I would love for you to talk to many Iraqis who had suffered since the early 70s until his loss of power in 2003. They would beg to differ.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Sorry, right wingers, but this dog won't hunt. There was never a reason to invade Iraq. Both invasions of Iraq (by both Bushes) were based on lies.

http://www.whodies.com/lies_gulf_war.html

..:: PENTAGON LIED THAT IRAQI FORCES STOOD AT SAUDI BORDER

Before launching the Gulf War, Bush Sr. claimed that an Iraqi juggernaut was threatening to roll into Saudi Arabia. Citing top-secret satellite images, Pentagon officials estimated in mid–September that up to 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks stood on the border, threatening the key US oil supplier.

The St. Petersburg Times acquired two commercial Soviet satellite images of the same area, taken at the same time, and found no Iraqi troops were visible near the Saudi border — just empty desert.

After the war, Gen. Colin Powell admitted that there had been no massive build up. A US senior commander told Newsday after the war, "There was a great disinformation campaign surrounding this war."

..:: FALSE TESTIMONY ABOUT IRAQI ATROCITIES

Before the motion for war, members of Congress were presented with the tearful testimony of a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only as Nayirah. She described how, as a volunteer in a Kuwait maternity ward, she had seen Iraqi troops storm her hospital, steal the incubators, and leave 312 babies "on the cold floor to die." Seven US Senators later referred to the story during debate; the motion for war passed by just five votes. In the weeks after Nayirah spoke, President Bush senior invoked the incident five times, saying that such "ghastly atrocities" were like "Hitler revisited."

Nayirah was actually the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to Washington and had no connection to the Kuwait hospital. She had been coached — along with the handful of others who would "corroborate" the story — by senior executives of Hill and Knowlton in Washington, which had a contract worth more than $10 million with the Kuwaitis to make the case for war.

..:: PENTAGON LIED ABOUT STRENGTH OF IRAQI TROOPS

After the war, the House Armed Services Committee issued a report on lessons learned from the Persian Gulf War. It concluded that at the start of the ground war in February, the US faced only 183,000 Iraqi troops, less than half the Pentagon estimate.

..:: CIA FORGED DOCUMENTS WERE PRESENTED TO THE UN SECURITY COUNCIL

In Saddam's Bombmaker, scientist Khidhir Hamza describes a bogus story planted by the CIA in the Sunday Times on 2 April 1995. The story reported that Hamza had confirmed a secret Iraqi weapon programme, and claimed that he had been kidnapped in Greece and probably assassinated. The CIA had planted the story and documents in order to smoke him out, and it worked. Hamza contacted the US Embassy in Budapest was brought to the US.

A week later, Madeline Albright quoted the CIA-forged documents at the UN Security Council in order to prevent any relaxation of the regime of sanctions on Iraq.

..:: FBI PLANTED CAPACITORS FOUND AT HEATHROW IN 1990

The capacitors destined for Iraq found at Heathrow in 1990 turned out to have been planted by the FBI.

..:: REAGAN ADMIN COVERED UP WAR AGAINST IRAN

A June, 1990 Nightline episode revealed a massive cover-up of the USS Vincennes' whereabouts and actions when it shot down an Iranian airliner in 1987, killing over 200 civilians. The cover-up was designed to hide the US secret war against Iran, in which, among other actions, US Special Operations troops and Navy SEALS sunk half of Iran's navy while giving battle plans and logistical information to Iraqi ground forces in a coordinated offensive.

Koppel said, "It is becoming increasingly clear that George Bush [Sr.], operating largely behind the scenes throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power that the United States ultimately had to destroy."

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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


At least she's not a poster child for hate speech and anorexia.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

So you agree that it is semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama's calamitous decision to go against the advice of his military advisors and virtually everyone else's advice which has caused the current catastrophe.


The start-date and cause for the current catastrophe over there is cemented into history: March 20, 2003. We all know who was president then......

Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam! Bush_d10

BTW, I never agree with you. You are way too opinionated......

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ZVUGKTUBM wrote:So you agree that it is semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama's calamitous decision to go against the advice of his military advisors and virtually everyone else's advice which has caused the current catastrophe.


The start-date and cause for the current catastrophe over there is cemented into history: March 20, 2003. We all know who was president then......

Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam! Bush_d10

BTW, I never agree with you. You are way too opinionated......

Funny, Bush made mistakes and then turned it around.... Obama gave away all the gains and peace made by the surge.....you can't deny that....

2seaoat



Obama gave away all the gains and peace made by the surge.....you can't deny that....


Our occupation, and the surge were all failures if a political solution was the goal. A military occupation was made more sustainable by the surge. It is all together another animal however to craft a political solution to a country we shattered in our occupation. If anybody wants to post that anything we did lessened the political divisions in that country, I am all ears, but I am afraid you are whistling in the dark.

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2seaoat wrote:Obama gave away all the gains and peace made by the surge.....you can't deny that....


Our occupation, and the surge were all failures if a political solution was the goal.  A military occupation was made more sustainable by the surge.  It is all together another animal however to craft a political solution to a country we shattered in our occupation.  If anybody wants to post that anything we did lessened the political divisions in that country, I am all ears, but I am afraid you are whistling in the dark.

Wrong again. Sunnis and Shia were not at war after the surge and there was no occupation when we withdrew. We were in an advising/training status with enough folks onhand to also defend ourselves if the SHTF as it has now with Maliki opposing the Iraqi President and refusing to step down and ISIS running the northern third of the nation. Loyalists to Maliki have set up check points with Iraqi SOF and armor pretty much closing off the Green Zone. Our remaining in place had nothing to do with the Iraqis getting along with each other.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Well, what we see in Iraq today was predicted to occur before the invasion ever took place. The predictors were correct in their observations. However, Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld, and their team of bootlicking followers were too caught-up in their blind hubris to see.

Had we not invaded, and just continued the No-Fly zones and sanctions, and left the tin-pot dictator in place, who had no means to project any power beyond Iraq, who also did not have an alliance with Al Qaeda, things might be all hunky-dory today. At least, ISIS would not exist. We could have saved trillions of wasted dollars, and 4.5K KIA.

PaceDog would not have had to make 7 deployments to the sand box, and might even be in better physical and mental health, along with thousands of other veterans, too.

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Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Obama gave away all the gains and peace made by the surge.....you can't deny that....


Our occupation, and the surge were all failures if a political solution was the goal.  A military occupation was made more sustainable by the surge.  It is all together another animal however to craft a political solution to a country we shattered in our occupation.  If anybody wants to post that anything we did lessened the political divisions in that country, I am all ears, but I am afraid you are whistling in the dark.

Just can't accept the facts and the truth can you? Like everything else semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama has tried, IF it had worked, America would be doing great and Americans would be happy.

Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.

"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.
- Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003


"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences.".

- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010

How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going? How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President? Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities. Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Is45Jwqizc

And now the Obama administration wants to TAKE CREDIT for the Iraq war…whew….


You know the FACTS and the TRUTH. You just have a desperate need to stir the pot. Why?

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:So you agree that it is semi-retired President Barack Hussein Obama's calamitous decision to go against the advice of his military advisors and virtually everyone else's advice which has caused the current catastrophe.


The start-date and cause for the current catastrophe over there is cemented into history: March 20, 2003. We all know who was president then......

Laura Ingraham says Iraq was Better off Under Saddam! Bush_d10

BTW, I never agree with you. You are way too opinionated......

Funny, Bush made mistakes and then turned it around.... Obama gave away all the gains and peace made by the surge.....you can't deny that....

He didn't turn anything around. He left the country in worse shape than any other president in my memory. Here's his big sendoff at President Obama's inauguration:





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FT, you're so FOS your eyes are brown when making that last statement.

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