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I see where you liberals get your straw man arguments from now.....Hillary

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http://www.gnd.com/hillary-s-straw-man-argument-against-second-amendment-backfires.php?ref=ysa

Sal, FT, Dreams, BOF, Z....

For those unfamiliar with the term, a straw man is a common type of argument that someone brings out to intentionally misrepresent the original topic of the argument. If two people are arguing and one person is losing dramatically, they may attempt to subtly change what the argument was about in the first place. The logic is that, if the person can't win the argument on his or her own merits while discussing the original topic, perhaps they would have better luck by changing the topic being talked about altogether. It's a common tactic among the anonymous people who argue about politics and pop culture on the Internet.

Floridatexan

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I see where you liberals get your straw man arguments from now.....Hillary 1132365243_Copy20of20bush_dumb_drugs_answer_102_xlarge

Joanimaroni

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Floridatexan wrote:I see where you liberals get your straw man arguments from now.....Hillary 1132365243_Copy20of20bush_dumb_drugs_answer_102_xlarge


What about Clinton?

Floridatexan

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"...When discussing gun control, Hillary Clinton (curiously(?) stated that it was possible for a person to both argue that we as a country need to adopt significantly stricter gun control laws and to support the second amendment and gun ownership in general at the same time..."

That's called addressing the issue. It isn't a straw man argument nor is it a deflection, despite the author's attempt to make it so. In fact, it's a rational, direct response to a very contentious issue.

It's also a hell of a lot better than toting your uzi into a crowded restaurant.







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The right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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Floridatexan wrote:
"...When discussing gun control, Hillary Clinton (curiously(?) stated that it was possible for a person to both argue that we as a country need to adopt significantly stricter gun control laws and to support the second amendment and gun ownership in general at the same time..."

That's called addressing the issue.  It isn't a straw man argument nor is it a deflection, despite the author's attempt to make it so. In fact, it's a rational, direct response to a very contentious issue.

It's also a hell of a lot better than toting your uzi into a crowded restaurant.





 


And you are still at it....she didn't address the issue. She changed the topic. You'd do well to take the Analysis portion of the 1N0 course at Goodfellow AFB to see how you lack in basic thinking skills.

Here is the part of the article where you didn't read...

In a statement that was made in National Harbor, Maryland on May 6, Hillary Clinton indicated that we as a country needed to adopt tighter gun restrictions in an attempt to stave off economic inequality that is contributing greatly to social collapse. By shifting the argument away from the merits of gun control and towards the situation with the economy, she has essentially conceded the point and given her detractors all of the ammunition they need to beat her in future discussions and debates. Whether or not she realizes that she's done that is a subject that is up for debate.

Floridatexan

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/overcoming-delusions-abou_b_2322195.html

Overcoming Delusions About the Second Amendment

The 2008 Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller shows definitively that the Second Amendment is about an archaic issue relevant to 1790, not to 2012. The Second Amendment reads as follows:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The purpose of the Second Amendment was to prevent the new Federal Government established in 1789 from disarming the state militias and replacing them with a Federal standing army. It was a concern that was relevant perhaps for a few years around the birth of the country. It is irrelevant today. Americans do not rely on state militias in 2012 for our freedom from the federal government.

Though Justice Antonin Scalia tried in the majority opinion to use the Second Amendment to defend gun rights, the many sources that he cited are clear that the purpose of the amendment was to protect state militias. One source, for example, declares, that the purpose of the Second Amendment is "to secure a well-armed militia... ." Another source Scalia cited indicates that the amendment covers only arms that "have some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia."

Therefore, Scalia acknowledges that the Second Amendment -- even in his pro-gun interpretation -- only protects arms that would be used in a militia, not the weapons of a formal army. He makes clear that "M-16 rifles and the like" have no Second Amendment protection and may be banned.

There is thus no constitutional protection whatsoever for the semiautomatic rifle that killed the kids in Newtown. Even Scalia is explicit on that point.

The Second Amendment is a relic of the founding era more than two centuries ago. Its purpose is long past. As Justice John Paul Stevens argues persuasively, the amendment should not block the ability of society to keep itself safe through gun control legislation. That was never its intent. This amendment was about militias in the 1790s, and the fear of the anti-federalists of a federal army. Since that issue is long moot, we need not be governed in our national life by doctrines on now-extinct militias from the 18th century.

More basically, the idea that unregulated private gun ownership and trade protects us against tyranny, or that gun controls would threaten tyranny to us all, is baseless. Democracies around the world regulate guns, preserve their freedoms, and achieve firearm murder rates that are a tiny fraction of the rates suffered in the United States. Other countries, like Australia, have made themselves much safer from gun massacres. Only the U.S. has a political class, on the take from gun manufacturers owned by Wall Street, that stands by while the nation's children are slaughtered. Yet perhaps the stench is getting even too great for some on Wall Street.

In the name of the children, let us wake from the trap of ancient history and the gun-manufacturers.

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Come and disarm me FT...bring it....none of us have M-16s...hell those haven't been used for years.

Civilian weapons closest to those would be AR-15s that do not have a three round burst option that the military refers to as an M-4 now.

Neither you nor anyone else will be confiscating weapons. You don't have the manpower or ammo required.



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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... only disarm those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson

The law abiding are not the problem... that simple fact undermines any desire to infringe upon the innocent.

Why can't y'all concentrate on the real issue? Fix criminals and crazies from getting weapons all you please.

Don't tread on me.

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And strawmen get used by wingnut posters everyday on this forum.....

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