Ideologic Enlightenment Quiz

PkrBum wrote:Cmon... none of that likely happens if not for the gun. Right?

2seaoat wrote:Have you ever been in a bar at closing time when the drunkest person in your group tries to tell a joke.......after the fifth try at it......there are only blank stares...........

2seaoat wrote:Have you ever been in a bar at closing time when the drunkest person in your group tries to tell a joke.......after the fifth try at it......there are only blank stares...........

2seaoat wrote:Have you ever been in a bar at closing time when the drunkest person in your group tries to tell a joke.......after the fifth try at it......there are only blank stares...........

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Have you ever been in a bar at closing time when the drunkest person in your group tries to tell a joke.......after the fifth try at it......there are only blank stares...........

Sounds like it would be about as funny as trying to find the humor in Joanie and Prkbum's and DE's "humor"!

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Have you ever been in a bar at closing time when the drunkest person in your group tries to tell a joke.......after the fifth try at it......there are only blank stares...........

Sounds like it would be about as funny as trying to find the humor in Joanie and Prkbum's and DE's "humor"!

PkrBum wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Have you ever been in a bar at closing time when the drunkest person in your group tries to tell a joke.......after the fifth try at it......there are only blank stares...........

Sounds like it would be about as funny as trying to find the humor in Joanie and Prkbum's and DE's "humor"!

The humor is in the left's inability to walk an ideologic straight line. You all fail the intellectual sobriety test.

othershoe1030 wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Have you ever been in a bar at closing time when the drunkest person in your group tries to tell a joke.......after the fifth try at it......there are only blank stares...........

Sounds like it would be about as funny as trying to find the humor in Joanie and Prkbum's and DE's "humor"!

The humor is in the left's inability to walk an ideologic straight line. You all fail the intellectual sobriety test.

What imagined straight line might that be?

othershoe1030 wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Have you ever been in a bar at closing time when the drunkest person in your group tries to tell a joke.......after the fifth try at it......there are only blank stares...........

Sounds like it would be about as funny as trying to find the humor in Joanie and Prkbum's and DE's "humor"!

The humor is in the left's inability to walk an ideologic straight line. You all fail the intellectual sobriety test.

What imagined straight line might that be?

2seaoat wrote:worthy of amending the 2nd amendment.
Who is proposing what amendment?

2seaoat wrote:The perfect is the enemy of the good.......working for good in PK's world is imperfect therefore a waste of time.  So if lives can be saved and the general welfare of the American people can improve...........it must be stopped because of the exception, and anomaly can be elevated to mask the good which has been done, and show how imperfect those who are working for good.  Sorry, it is simply silly logic.

Sal wrote:

Bob wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:When the perps are finally caught, they need to be charged to the full extent allowed under Pennsylvania law.

It was three siblings,  a 15 year old girl,  a 10 year old boy,  and a 7 year old boy.  And their mother is in critical condition.
Three children helping their mother operate a fruit stand.

If they were my kin,  the laws of pennsylvania,  the country,  or god and jesus would have no bearing on this.  My own law is all that would matter and I would find who did it and torture them to death.  Period.  And I wouldn't give a shit about collateral damage if any goddamn stinking gutless liberal trash and their laws tried to get in my way.

The toaster is fantasizing about being Charles Bronson.

lmao

The truth is he would look outside and be concerned about rain and what jacket would be appropriate if it did, and in fear and confusion, retreat into his hovel and bar the door with a dresser.

othershoe1030 wrote:

2seaoat wrote:The perfect is the enemy of the good.......working for good in PK's world is imperfect therefore a waste of time.  So if lives can be saved and the general welfare of the American people can improve...........it must be stopped because of the exception, and anomaly can be elevated to mask the good which has been done, and show how imperfect those who are working for good.  Sorry, it is simply silly logic.

The fact that must be faced is that as citizens our ability to effect change through government has diminished over time due to the increasing influence of corporate and private money influencing many aspects of our civil society.

So even when a majority are in favor of something it fails to pass because of the influence of sales groups like the leadership of the NRA. It used to be a hunting safety group but has morphed into a lobby for gun manufacturing and sales, a sad thing. It now fights against the wishes of its own membership on the background check issue.

Surveys have shown that most Americans are in favor of universal checks on gun purchases. They want to close the loopholes such as those available at "gun shows". Even NRA members see background checks as a useful tool.

A sizable 89 percent of all respondents, and 75 percent of those identified as NRA members, support universal background checks for gun sales. Similar surveys by Pew Research Center and Gallup have also found background checks to be by far the most popular gun control proposal in the aftermath the school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/28/strong-majority-of-americans-nra-members-back-gun-control

Viewed in this context gun safety is not a right/left issue but more one of common sense and public safety.

A step in the right direction of universal background checks is a reasonable thing to most Americans. No one is trying to amend the Constitution.

2seaoat wrote:Why isn't the gun the issue here?

No, I am hardly slow.....at least not in this conversation.  The gun most certainly is part of the issue.  I have stated my position many times before.  I began shooting at five years of age with my family who belonged to numerous gun clubs.  My father would shoot competitively, and the rest of us were shooting during his competitions.  I received NRA sharpshooter awards in competition in my early teens, and I own three guns, and my brother took all twenty of my father's guns.  I have always been around guns and have hunted my entire life, but not so much now.

My position is simple.  Guns are inherently dangerous.  The Supreme Court has clearly said regulation of guns is permissible and not a violation of the second amendment.  Simple answer.  Universal registration with biometric trigger locks.  If I have a gun, the lock only allows me to fire the gun with fingerprint recognition.   I had a fingerprint scanner to unlock my computer for four years back in the late 90s early 2000 and it worked perfectly that long ago.  I also want in the registration process rf chips in the guns.   From there we will be able to begin not having PERFECT solutions, but solutions which can and will reduce gun violence and death.   Attack my approach if you dare.

Floridatexan wrote:
My cousin, when she was 8, was shot by her stepbrother with a gun that was supposedly unloaded (in a neighbor's house).  She has suffered her entire life because of that one injury.  In that case, the negligence of the neighbor could be blamed; my uncle and his wife could be blamed for not keeping a closer eye on their kids, but there was apparently no evil intent.  The gun left where a kid could reach it was to blame.  

So, from a story of some criminals with a gun forcing the owner into the back seat and proceeding to run over 3 kids and their mother, apparently we're supposed to blame the gun.  Whatever.  This is hall-of-fame stupid.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
My cousin, when she was 8, was shot by her stepbrother with a gun that was supposedly unloaded (in a neighbor's house).  She has suffered her entire life because of that one injury.  In that case, the negligence of the neighbor could be blamed; my uncle and his wife could be blamed for not keeping a closer eye on their kids, but there was apparently no evil intent.  The gun left where a kid could reach it was to blame.  

So, from a story of some criminals with a gun forcing the owner into the back seat and proceeding to run over 3 kids and their mother, apparently we're supposed to blame the gun.  Whatever.  This is hall-of-fame stupid.

No. The owner who left a dangerous tool out for a child to get hold of is to blame.

Just like if you left your car keys in the ignition, a power tool like a pneumatic stapler out, a old unused refrigerator with the door still attached, etc, etc, etc, laying around for a child to mess with.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JEPeeohYs

 

PkrBum wrote:You forgot an unattended five gallon bucket... they kill more children than guns do. We're going to need alot more laws.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Why isn't the gun the issue here?

No, I am hardly slow.....at least not in this conversation.  The gun most certainly is part of the issue.  I have stated my position many times before.  I began shooting at five years of age with my family who belonged to numerous gun clubs.  My father would shoot competitively, and the rest of us were shooting during his competitions.  I received NRA sharpshooter awards in competition in my early teens, and I own three guns, and my brother took all twenty of my father's guns.  I have always been around guns and have hunted my entire life, but not so much now.

My position is simple.  Guns are inherently dangerous.  The Supreme Court has clearly said regulation of guns is permissible and not a violation of the second amendment.  Simple answer.  Universal registration with biometric trigger locks.  If I have a gun, the lock only allows me to fire the gun with fingerprint recognition.   I had a fingerprint scanner to unlock my computer for four years back in the late 90s early 2000 and it worked perfectly that long ago.  I also want in the registration process rf chips in the guns.   From there we will be able to begin not having PERFECT solutions, but solutions which can and will reduce gun violence and death.   Attack my approach if you dare.

If you want these restrictions to apply to all citizens of the United States who are not active military then they apply to all the LEO's at the local, state, and federal, levels as well. Which means that either the LEO's turn over to the military any equipment that a private citizen is not allowed to purchase or private citizens are allowed to purchase that equipment also.

Time to make a choice.

"There is a reason we separate the military and the police. One fights the enemy of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people."
Commander Adama - (Edward Olmos: actor)

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwrSlzZC31w