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How stocks have fared under Obama

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http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post--how-stocks-fared-under-2000-days-of-obama


It's been almost 2,000 days since President Barack Obama entered the Oval Office. We here at MarketWatch thought it would be fitting to measure this milestone against the stock market's performance.

Obama was sworn in amid extreme financial turmoil in January 2009, roughly six weeks before the stock markets hit bottom in the wake of the Great Recession. Pretty much the only direction for stocks to go was up.

How far up, though? More important, how do gains under Obama compare with gains under other presidents who made it to 2,000 days?

Answer: He's in the top half of the eight presidents since the Great Depression whose time in office lasted that long. That can always change, of course. And there's considerable debate over whether he -- or any other president for that matter -- can influence the stock market or whether they're just along for the ride.

"I wouldn't be looking to give the administration a lot of credit for the stock market's (performance)," said Sam Stovall, managing director of U.S. Equity Strategy at S&P Capital IQ. He notes, however, that stocks generally do better under Democrats than Republicans, particularly when stocks start out low.

As of right now, Obama ranks third behind top-finisher Bill Clinton and runner-up Franklin Delano Roosevelt in terms of stock gains, according to our calculations. After Obama, in order, it’s Ronald Reagan, Dwight Eisenhower, Harry Truman, George W. Bush and Richard Nixon. (Yes, Nixon barely made it in this club; he resigned 2,027 days into his presidency amid the Watergate scandal.)



There are a few surprises in the data. First, Obama not only finished ahead of Reagan, thought by many to be the architect of one of the greatest economic recoveries of the 20th century, he will be well ahead of him when his 2,000th day comes on Saturday. Major stock indexes have averaged gains of more than 140 percent under Obama, while they were up 88 percent at this same point in the Reagan years.

Pan the economic lens out, though, and the gap closes. You'll see stock gains averaged just under 113 percent when Reagan completed his full eight years, or 2,922 days in office. That's still short of the market's advance under Obama, but all it would take is a cumulative drop of roughly 10 percent in the three indexes, and Obama could fall below that mark by the time his second term ends.

Which is within the realm of possibility. Note that the Dow Jones Industrial Average ($INDU +0.04%) thrived during Reagan’s last 2.5 years despite the 1987 crash, and ended up gaining more than 130 percent in all, well ahead of Obama's current 104 percent gain. On the other hand, the Nasdaq Composite Index ($COMPX +0.36%) has flourished under Obama, up 189 percent thus far compared with 94 percent for Reagan's two full terms.



Democrats over Republicans 4-1
Another surprise, also sure to rankle the right, is that stock market gains under four post-Depression Democrats on their 2,000th day in office have outpaced that of the four Republicans in the same era by a factor of nearly 4 to 1. Democratic gains have averaged 132 percent while Republican increases are at a mean of 33 percent.

Stovall notes that pattern follows historic precedent. When there's a split Congress, Democratic presidents see four times the gains that Republicans do, as well as when Democratic administrations do battle with a unified Republican Congress. Markets, however, do better under Republicans when they control the White House and both houses of Congress than when Democrats are in the same catbird seat.

Before embarking further, a word about MarketWatch's methodology. We averaged the changes in the Dow, Nasdaq and the Standard & Poor's 500 Index ($INX +0.05%) for the first 2,000 days for four of the eight post-Depression presidents who made it that far: Reagan, Clinton, George W. Bush and Obama. For Eisenhower and Nixon, only Dow and S&P data were available. And for Roosevelt and Truman it was just the Dow.

Starting with the Jan. 20 Inauguration Day, the 2,000th page on the office calendar turned for six of the presidents halfway through their sixth year on July 12. The dates were different for Roosevelt, who was first sworn in back when Inauguration Day was March 4, and Truman, who assumed power when Roosevelt died shortly into his fourth term in April 1945.

For the sake of doing this sooner rather than later, we're jumping the gun a little on Obama, whose 2,000th day isn't until Saturday. But unless the markets drop more than 20 percent on Friday, he should hang on to his current standing.

We didn't just limit our examination to 2,000-day presidents, we also looked at stock gains under all chief executives since FDR. In that study, Obama would remain in the top three even if stocks were flat for the rest of his term, and he would climb to second behind Clinton if they grew at their current pace. If they drop, of course, it’s anyone’s guess where the Obama presidency ends up in investing history.

A few caveats: Economists have done similar examinations that probably are more scientific than MarketWatch's. One potential flaw is that we didn't take dividends or inflation into account; the percentage gains are based solely on nominal numbers available.

We figure that we’re looking at percentage gains during that 5.5-year window where inflation largely remained a constant through that period. Feel free to poke holes in that logic. Morgan Housel, senior analyst at Motley Fool, wasn't afraid to do so.

"Including dividends is not only fair but essential, as over time they represent a large chunk of the market's overall returns," Housel said.

He points out that Gerald Ford would top the S&P list when dividend returns are put into the mix. It was strong enough to keep him there even when you factor in the crippling inflation of the day. His immediate successor, Jimmy Carter, falls down Housel's list mostly because inflation severely hampered returns and led to his loss after one term to Reagan.

Still, Obama does well by Housel's measure, finishing second to Ford among presidents in the post-Depression era, one spot ahead of Clinton. That's due mostly to extremely low inflation during Obama's term.

Further, our time range is limited. Since the modern economy and government's role in it took shape during and after the Great Depression, we decided to examine gains or losses dating back only to the Roosevelt administration.

The relatively small sampling of 2,000-day presidents also may skew the data. A broader look at all 13 chief executives from FDR to Obama offers a more impressive view of the current president, but it also closes the gap between Democrats and Republicans on overall stock performance.

By including all seven Democrats in this category, it drops their party's average gain to 109 percent while the addition of two more Republicans brought that group of six's average up to 46 percent.

"I don't think we have a big enough sample size," Housel said. He says other databases over a longer time frame still would show a slight advantage for Democrats, but the gap is minimal.
Yet Democrats seem to generally be doing better than Republicans in the modern era. While their gains have been meager at times, all seven Democrats have posted gains. Two Republican administrations -- that of the scandal-plagued Nixon and the crash-riddled George W. Bush -- posted the only losses.

One thing to note is that No. 2 FDR and No. 3 Obama came to power when stocks were near a trough. In FDR's case, his predecessor Republican Herbert Hoover presided over a spectacular crash in stocks that led to the Depression. For Obama, George W. Bush laid the groundwork for a big upward swing when a number of banks failed and the markets tumbled late in his presidency.

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