Cloward Piven Strategy now coming into play on our boarders with an onslaught of underage illegal aliens.

Onslaught of underage illegal aliens from Mexico fit perfectly with the Cloward Piven Strategy. Perfectly.

Now the Federal government is transporting excess minor illegal aliens from Texas to Arizona. They have no place to put them all. They're being stacked like cordwood to play on the sympathies of the American Progressives.

There are less people crossing the border than at anytime since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty. Young people have been hitching trains from central america for the 20 years......old news.

2seaoat wrote:There are less people crossing the border than at anytime since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty.  Young people have been hitching trains from central america for the 20 years......old news.

Cute try. You REALLY should read something other than the DailyKOS and watch the Daily Show.

Try the New York times and a special on HBO four years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22immigration.html?_r=0


Also, young people getting granted asylum is rare.....they get sent back. I sorry you do not read.

This is funnier than chit.......the number of Illegal aliens crossing the mexico border into the United States has been stifled over the last three years to historic lows, and these kids they are CATCHING have been coming in large numbers for decades, yet nowhere do our scholars point to asylum being offered other than at historic lows in asylums.......the simple truth is our border is working better than it has ever worked, and folks on here think people are stupid........that the large numbers of young people get a pass into this country......hillarious.....when you deal in hate and xenophobic rhetoric, the big lie is important.

2seaoat wrote:Try the New York times and a special on HBO four years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/us/22immigration.html?_r=0

Also, young people getting granted asylum is rare.....they get sent back.   I sorry you do not read.

You really do not read or view ANYTHING else do you? Really 2011? Do you know this administration even used a different way to count how many immigrants were sent back to their countries?

Here, start with this.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Cloward and Piven........

Tell us, what is the basic goal of Cloward and Piven? Come on, don't be afraid.

Well according to wiki,  the basic goal of Cloward/Piven  "called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".

But I watched Bill O'Reilly interview a spokesman for the border patrol agents last night.  And this individual revealed that the border patrol agents are no longer "chasing" the illegals.  It's now gotten so crazy that the "illegals are chasing the border patrol agents".  Groups of children by themselves are crossing the border,  women with children are crossing the border,  and men are posing as fathers with children and crossing the border.  Thousands and thousands crossing the border and the government is permitting this.

I've tried to think of any legitimate reason this government would permit an unlimited number of illegals to be coming across the border.  And frankly what one Republican Texas congressmen is saying appears to me to be the only explanation.

He said it’s “an open secret Obama is trying to flood Texas with illegals to make it into a blue state,” with a Democrat majority.

“If we lose Texas, and it becomes like California, then the Republicans lose the chance of ever getting a Republican elected president,” the Texas lawmaker warned.

But maybe seaoat or Sal or bds or florida texan or dreamsglore can give us another reason for why their beloved Obama is permitting this to happen.

I have friends that were first generation americans from childhood... spent alot of times in their homes and knew their family units... saw how they lived and what their priorities are. My first wife was hispanic. If the dems really think that these mexicans will be locked into a collectivist authoritative system... they are sadly mistaken. They are very hard workers and greatly respect earning something. The family units are also very tight and caring for each other is ingrained in their upbringing. I know there are the criminal elements... as in each race... but as a whole I think that they will support less govt once they become established.

All that said... the boarder must be closed before the conversation... much less reforms... can be on the table.

Want to know why so many Mexican kids are crossing the border now?

Think about it ... who makes money off this situation?

Sal's right. It's the money ... in Amerika Inc., it's always the money!!

Right . . . now we're supposed to believe that hundreds of Latino children illegally coming to Texas from central American countries where the economy sucks, there's little or no public education, and the drug cartels make war on everyone, are coming here as the result of a strategy or plot by the Obama administration to make Texas a blue state.

Come to think of it, what's wrong with that? LOL

PkrBum wrote:I have friends that were first generation americans from childhood... spent alot of times in their homes and knew their family units... saw how they lived and what their priorities are. My first wife was hispanic. If the dems really think that these mexicans will be locked into a collectivist authoritative system... they are sadly mistaken. They are very hard workers and greatly respect earning something. The family units are also very tight and caring for each other is ingrained in their upbringing. I know there are the criminal elements... as in each race... but as a whole I think that they will support less govt once they become established.

All that said... the boarder must be closed before the conversation... much less reforms... can be on the table.

I agree with what you said 100% The lowered tier liberal black groups should be worried about this. Its not a secret these two groups don't really mesh unless its the small fragment that gets involved with gang related stuff.

Other than that I do agree with markle that its cloward piven strategy. Obama is running out of time to instill his socialistic goals and is desperate. This is creating a short term crisis on purpose to try and force open boarders, they want that part of the constitution changed. I believe its a pet peeve of soros.

Someone needs to be impeached

on edit. one thing though. people on welfare or getting help will vote to keep it. and don't underestimate the loyalty to the left for allowing them to brake the law of the land. it would be generations before they got back to their principles if ever, even good people are becoming brainwashed.

First of all for Sal.  I'm not the one saying the jerry clower thing is what is happening.  Markle asked "do you know what the jerry clower thing is?"
And so all did I was wiki it to provide the answer.  
I've already grown up.  If I grow up anymore I'll be in a nursing home.  I wish I could grow down some.  lol

And then I relayed what the texas politician said and added that it makes sense to me.  All these people crossing the border will end up voting democrat.  They always do.  So it's a plausible explanation.
But then I asked for you liberal and obama fanboys to provide us another explanation.  
And your explanation is "people are making money by getting people across the border".

As I said,  the border patrol agent (working in McAllen Tex) interviewed last night made it pretty clear that groups of children,  women with children,  and men claiming to be fathers of children just to get in themselves are all coming in.  By the fucking droves.
And the agent said no one is stopping it.  Instead,  once these people get across the border,  they are then put with relatives in the U.S. or people claiming to be relatives.  And many don't even have anyone claiming them so the border patrol offices are taking care of them.  And he said it's reached a crisis point.

He said the situation is so absurd that the agents are no longer chasing the illegals,  "the illegals are chasing the agents".  They want to be taken into custody so they'll be taken care of and allowed to stay in the U.S.

So with that as the background,  I asked for your explanation for this.  And your explanation is simply that "people are making money off bringing them in" and the figure of $5000 was mentioned.

Okay first of all,  where are these penniless children getting $5000 to pay someone to smuggle them in?  
And why pay someone $5000 to smuggle them in when the border patrol agent told us all they have to do is "get on an innertube or raft or jon boat to get across the river" whereupon they seek out a border patrol agent who will help them find a new life in America.  
When the border patrol agent was asked "why is the federal government permitting this? And why aren't you being ordered to capture these people and give them back to Mexico?",  the border patrol agent said he has no explanation for that.

So my question to you is,  why is the Obama administration allowing this mass influx of illegal aliens?  
And "grow up" is no answer.  That's the answer I would get from an MSNBC host but this forum is not MSNBC.  On MSNBC the host gets to talk but the audience doesn't get to respond.  Here we do.  lol

by 2seaoat Today at 12:59 am
There are less people crossing the border than at anytime since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty. Young people have been hitching trains from central america for the 20 years......old news.

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Clueless

A usual pattern is that the mexican cartels that control the human trafficking take a down payment or collateral... then the illegal alien works in the states in servitude to pay the debt off under the extortion or threat of harm to their families.

Our pretense of a border enables and encourages this crime against humanity. I consider the govt complicit.

2seaoat wrote:
There are less people crossing the border than at anytime since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty. Young people have been hitching trains from central america for the 20 years......old news.

Okay now I understand.  Way back when,  Ronald Reagan ordered the border patrol agents to be concierge's.  He told them their job was to find anyone who'd crossed the border and help them relocate in the U.S.
And every president has adopted this policy since.  And fewer people are crossing the border now that Obama is president than have ever crossed the border before.

Thanks for the explanation.  Nothing to see here so let's move on to another issue.

By the way, I never thought Jerry Clower was all that funny. I know a lot of people did, and I guess markle does or he wouldn't have brought him up.
But he was just a little too cornball for my taste.

If that's a picture of the "fewest" people who've ever crossed the border,  then my god what must it have been like when Reagan was president during the time it was the most?
Musta looked something like this...



If all that's been going on for 45 years since Reagan started it,  by now there must be what,  300 to 400 million illegal aliens in the country?

Bob wrote:Well according to wiki,  the basic goal of Cloward/Piven  "called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty".

I was hoping that ZVUGKTUBM, who doesn't seem to understand what is happening in this country or what is the motive of President Barack Hussein Obama would respond to that question.

Bob wrote:By the way,  I never thought Jerry Clower was all that funny.  I know a lot of people did,  and I guess markle does or he wouldn't have brought him up.
But he was just a little too cornball for my taste.

Ohhhh...I get it. You thought you made a funny! How cute of you.

Here's just one agency program... we've also got states hiring corporations to move people from welfare to disability... the irs now redistributing health to subsidy others... expanding medicaid... obamaphones and cable and internet... etc.

Oddly enough there seems to be a pattern. Do you propose it's just a strange coincidence or perfectly natural?

http://www.amren.com/news/2012/07/usda-combats-mountain-pride-self-reliance-to-boost-food-stamp-rolls/

One in seven Americans are on food stamps, but the government is pushing to enroll more—in many instances working to overcome Americans’ “pride,” self-reliance or failure to see a need.

“Our common goal is to increase participation in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program,” the United States Department of Agriculture explains on its “Outreach Toolkits” page. “Our purpose is to ensure that those going through difficult times can feed their families healthy, nutritious food. By working as a team, we can accomplish these goals.”

The USDA has adopted a range of strategies and programs designed to bring more people to SNAP, including taking on “pride.” A 2011 Hunger Champions Award document reveals that local assistance offices have been rewarded for “counteracting” pride and pushing more people to sign up for benefits.

The Ashe County Department of Social Services in Jefferson, N.C., for example, received a “Gold” award for confronting “mountain pride” and increasing food stamp participation by 10 percent.

“Hearing from the outreach worker that benefits could be used to purchase seeds and plants for their gardens turned out to be a very important strategy in counteracting what they described as ‘mountain pride’ and appealed to those who wished not to rely on others,” the document explains. “Eventually, many accepted assistance from the Low Income Energy Assistance Program, the Qualified Medicare Beneficiary program, and others, in some cases doubling a household’s net income. In 1 year, SNAP participation increased over 10 percent.”

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The agency adds that there are many hurdles—including reticence to accept government aid—that SNAP advocates must overcome in order to make eligible people accept the government’s help.

According to the USDA, 65 percent of those eligible claim SNAP benefits, a number the agency has been working to increase.

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“I think it’s a deep problem when SNAP officials think it is their duty to overcome ‘mountain pride’ or overcome the American sense of independence and individual responsibility,” [Alabama Sen. Jeff] Sessions told The Daily Caller in an interview. “They seem to think that is an anachronism and that modern Americans shouldn’t have pride and independence. I think it is highly troubling actually.”

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SNAP spending has doubled since 2008 and quadrupled since 2001. Participation has increased from 1-in-50 on food stamps in the 1970s to 1-in-7 today.