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Can Science be moral...?

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1Can Science be moral...? Empty Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 8:50 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

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2Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 9:06 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

“Just who has imposed on the suffering human race poison gas, barbed wire, high explosives, experiments in eugenics, the formula for zyklon b, heavy artillery, pseudo-scientific justifications for mass murder, cluster bombs, attack submarines, napalm, intercontinental missiles , military space platforms and nuclear weapons? If memory serves it was not the Vatican.”
― David Berlinski

3Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 9:29 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

I strongly oppose cloning, as do most Americans. We recoil at the idea of growing human beings for spare body parts or creating life for our convenience. And while we must devote enormous energy to conquering disease, it is equally important that we pay attention to the moral concerns raised by the new frontier of human embryo stem cell research. Even the most noble ends do not justify any means.
— George W. Bush

4Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 9:32 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Science does not have a moral dimension. It is like a knife. If you give it to a surgeon or a murderer, each will use it differently.
— Wernher von Braun

5Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 9:54 am

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6Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 10:19 am

knothead

knothead

TEOTWAWKI wrote: I strongly oppose cloning, as do most Americans. We recoil at the idea of growing human beings for spare body parts or creating life for our convenience. And while we must devote enormous energy to conquering disease, it is equally important that we pay attention to the moral concerns raised by the new frontier of human embryo stem cell research. Even the most noble ends do not justify any means.
— George W. Bush


Wonder who wrote this news release . . . . . just as hell wasn't Boy George!

7Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 10:31 am

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

So what is this thread, the anti-science thread? The list of beneficial things discovered through scientific research is long indeed. What is your point? Are we to go back to living in caves etc.? It is not science per se that came up with the things on your list but the direction man decided to go in.  

This is like asking is water moral or is fire moral. Things don't have morality they just are. It is the application that is moral or not.

8Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 10:37 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

othershoe1030 wrote:So what is this thread, the anti-science thread? The list of beneficial things discovered through scientific research is long indeed. What is your point? Are we to go back to living in caves etc.? It is not science per se that came up with the things on your list but the direction man decided to go in.  

This is like asking is water moral or is fire moral. Things don't have morality they just are. It is the application that is moral or not.


There is the problem which man?...who decides the application ? The surgeon or the murderer ?

Science like religion can be misused by evil men ...so any attack on religion requires the same guns to bear on science.

9Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 11:42 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:So what is this thread, the anti-science thread? The list of beneficial things discovered through scientific research is long indeed. What is your point? Are we to go back to living in caves etc.? It is not science per se that came up with the things on your list but the direction man decided to go in.  

This is like asking is water moral or is fire moral. Things don't have morality they just are. It is the application that is moral or not.


There is the problem which man?...who decides the application ? The surgeon or the murderer ?

Science like religion can be misused by evil men ...so any attack on religion requires the same guns to bear on science.

Science is not the opposite of religion, Einstein.

10Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 11:58 am

polecat

polecat

Like sittin' on pins and needles
Things fall apart, it's scientific

David Byrne!

11Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 11:59 am

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12Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 12:39 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

TEOTWAWKI wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:So what is this thread, the anti-science thread? The list of beneficial things discovered through scientific research is long indeed. What is your point? Are we to go back to living in caves etc.? It is not science per se that came up with the things on your list but the direction man decided to go in.  

This is like asking is water moral or is fire moral. Things don't have morality they just are. It is the application that is moral or not.


There is the problem which man?...who decides the application ? The surgeon or the murderer ?

Science like religion can be misused by evil men ...so any attack on religion requires the same guns to bear on science.

Sounds as if this topic, the way it is framed is huge. What are we to discuss, the morality of each scientist or each preacher/priest etc? I'm trying to get a handle on this but fear if I do I won't be able to pick it up!

13Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 3:45 pm

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Just what planet are you from? Science doesn't deal with morality, it deals with research and findings. Scientists didn't drop a bomb on anyone ever -- governments and armies and religious leaders do things like that.

It's the job of science to discover natural facts. How science is used is the job of others.

You ask if science is moral. Well, science says water boils at 212f. (at sea level). Back up your claim -- show us how that scientific fact is moral or immoral ... if you can.

14Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 4:35 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Wordslinger wrote:Just what planet are you from?  Science doesn't deal with morality, it deals with research and findings.  Scientists didn't drop a bomb on anyone ever -- governments and armies and religious leaders do things like that.

It's the job of science to discover natural facts.  How science is used is the job of others.

You ask if science is moral.  Well, science says water boils at 212f. (at sea level).  Back up your claim -- show us how that scientific fact is moral or immoral ... if you can.  


"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."-J. Robert Oppenheimer

I think this great scientist knew just as any Dr. Frankenstein knows when you mess with gods creation the power to destroy it may be revealed...there is definitely an aspect of morality in leaving some things alone..If the Hadron collider can create a black hole that would swallow the earth..should it ?...of course not.

http://www.atomicarchive.com/Movies/Movie8.shtml

Water boiling is something more akin to cooking than splitting the substance of the universe...

15Can Science be moral...? Empty "Can science be moral...?" 3/24/2014, 7:29 pm

Markle

Markle

"Can science be moral...?" Of course.

16Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 7:54 pm

Guest


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othershoe1030 wrote:So what is this thread, the anti-science thread? The list of beneficial things discovered through scientific research is long indeed. What is your point? Are we to go back to living in caves etc.? It is not science per se that came up with the things on your list but the direction man decided to go in.  

This is like asking is water moral or is fire moral. Things don't have morality they just are. It is the application that is moral or not.

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I see... Since science has no morality, and since atheists only believe in science, we can conclude that atheists have no morality.

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17Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 8:33 pm

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Damaged Eagle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:So what is this thread, the anti-science thread? The list of beneficial things discovered through scientific research is long indeed. What is your point? Are we to go back to living in caves etc.? It is not science per se that came up with the things on your list but the direction man decided to go in.  

This is like asking is water moral or is fire moral. Things don't have morality they just are. It is the application that is moral or not.

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I see... Since science has no morality, and since atheists only believe in science, we can conclude that atheists have no morality.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUulrbc41s

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Hey a syllogism !...good one DE.

18Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/24/2014, 8:37 pm

Guest


Guest

he he  Laughing 

19Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/25/2014, 1:21 am

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Damaged Eagle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:So what is this thread, the anti-science thread? The list of beneficial things discovered through scientific research is long indeed. What is your point? Are we to go back to living in caves etc.? It is not science per se that came up with the things on your list but the direction man decided to go in.  

This is like asking is water moral or is fire moral. Things don't have morality they just are. It is the application that is moral or not.

Can Science be moral...? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQcWN4gn4mwV-RtGB5PjRPEwIKTw4TcU7kEBTiDzPCNIC0dVw1-

I see... Since science has no morality, and since atheists only believe in science, we can conclude that atheists have no morality.

*****CHUCKLE*****

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Of course you can conclude that. Same way I conclude that since the victims of airline crashes have stomachs containing traces of coffee and sugar roasted peanuts, eating these things causes airline crashes.

By the way, what's your fascination with ZZ top, I didn't know any of them were still alive. Are they still making bad records?

20Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/25/2014, 7:02 am

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Can ZZ top be moral ?

21Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/25/2014, 10:44 am

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:So what is this thread, the anti-science thread? The list of beneficial things discovered through scientific research is long indeed. What is your point? Are we to go back to living in caves etc.? It is not science per se that came up with the things on your list but the direction man decided to go in.  

This is like asking is water moral or is fire moral. Things don't have morality they just are. It is the application that is moral or not.



I see... Since science has no morality, and since atheists only believe in science, we can conclude that atheists have no morality.

*****CHUCKLE*****

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Of course you can conclude that.  Same way I conclude that since the victims of airline crashes have stomachs containing traces of coffee and sugar roasted peanuts, eating these things causes airline crashes.

By the way, what's your fascination with ZZ top, I didn't know any of them were still alive.  Are they still making bad records?

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I see... You have absolutely no sense of humor because you hate ZZ Top, and when ZZ started playing on the radio you spilled your coffee and peanuts in your lap while piloting flight 370 which caused it to go down, and your mad because you're an atheist with no morality who's now in the afterlife.

That clears up all sorts of  things.

*****CHUCKLE*****

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22Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/25/2014, 10:58 am

polecat

polecat

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Can ZZ top be moral ?

Whats more moral than being a ''Beer Drinker & Hellraiser'' while hanging out in a Whore House in '''La Grange'' and giving girls ''Pearl Necklaces'' with your'' Tube Snake Boogie'''' Ten Foot Pole'' not knowing if you want to go to ''Heaven,Hell or Houston...''!

23Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/25/2014, 11:04 am

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polecat wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Can ZZ top be moral ?

Whats more moral than being a ''Beer Drinker & Hellraiser'' while hanging out in a Whore House in '''La Grange'' and giving girls ''Pearl Necklaces'' with your'' Tube Snake Boogie'''' Ten Foot Pole'' not knowing if you want to go to ''Heaven,Hell or Houston...''!

You'ld be shocked by their family and upbringing... straight-laced would be an understatement.

24Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/25/2014, 6:08 pm

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polecat wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Can ZZ top be moral ?

Whats more moral than being a ''Beer Drinker & Hellraiser'' while hanging out in a Whore House in '''La Grange'' and giving girls ''Pearl Necklaces'' with your'' Tube Snake Boogie'''' Ten Foot Pole'' not knowing if you want to go to ''Heaven,Hell or Houston...''!

Liberals love that kind of stuff.

Twerking and Hollywood lol

25Can Science be moral...? Empty Re: Can Science be moral...? 3/25/2014, 6:13 pm

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

You first have to define what the word "moral" means.  To teo it means whatever the Bible says.  To others it means different things.

Also,  "science" is not an A-Bomb or a man in a frock coat or any other specific idea.   In it's true form,  it's simply a method for separating facts from beliefs/opinion/myth/rumor.  It can be applied to anything,  moral or amoral.

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