Can a Christian, Jew, Catholic or Muslim be moral?

Wordslinger wrote:Maybe not.

If religion is the only thing keeping you from bank robbery, rape, and murder, you are not a moral person.


One of my opponents on this theme claims all our morals come from God.

It's moral then to ask someone to kill his son to prove his loyalty, right?

Or to kill all the Egyptian children as a punishment to their parents.

Or, considering he, she or It's infallable, to let innocent victims of diseases like cancer writhe in torment for years?

None of that would have happened if god was a "good person."

Reality!

Damaged Eagle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Maybe not.

If religion is the only thing keeping you from bank robbery, rape, and murder, you are not a moral person.


One of my opponents on this theme claims all our morals come from God.

It's moral then to ask someone to kill his son to prove his loyalty, right?

Or to kill all the Egyptian children as a punishment to their parents.

Or, considering he, she or It's infallable, to let innocent victims of diseases like cancer writhe in torment for years?

None of that would have happened if god was a "good person."

Reality!

I've never stated any such thing. What makes you think I was accusing you, or even aiming my statements at you? What was the name of that tune ...'You're so vain?"

When did I ever say that God was good or bad... or even cared for what the human race does to itself? Nothing in my original statement is aimed at you or whatever you did or didn't say about god

You've done that all by yourself proving how pathetic and self-serving your agenda is to your high crusade against others not like yourself. Ain't nothing, Sweetcheeks, against expressing one's opinion here. That's what this is for Booby.

In the end you're no better than those you rail against. According to you, Giggles.

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky1nY3jlq1M

 

Wordslinger wrote:Maybe not.

If religion is the only thing keeping you from bank robbery, rape, and murder, you are not a moral person.


One of my opponents on this theme claims all our morals come from God.

It's moral then to ask someone to kill his son to prove his loyalty, right?

Or to kill all the Egyptian children as a punishment to their parents.

Or, considering he, she or It's infallable, to let innocent victims of diseases like cancer writhe in torment for years?

None of that would have happened if god was a "good person."

Reality!

othershoe1030 wrote:It would be nice if posters could stick to the topic instead of throwing out ideas unrelated to the original post, just mucking up the waters. It reminds me of tossing out little shreds of metallic material from a plane to fool the missals trying to destroy it.

Distraction is the order of the day for the chuckling eagle, or sparrow or whatever bird he is.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Maybe not.

If religion is the only thing keeping you from bank robbery, rape, and murder, you are not a moral person.


One of my opponents on this theme claims all our morals come from God.

It's moral then to ask someone to kill his son to prove his loyalty, right?

Or to kill all the Egyptian children as a punishment to their parents.

Or, considering he, she or It's infallable, to let innocent victims of diseases like cancer writhe in torment for years?

None of that would have happened if god was a "good person."

Reality!

I think your point is very well taken. If the morals are internalized then the person takes them on as his own without the need for supervision. Some people wouldn't keep a bag of money that falls from an armored truck even if no one was watching. Moral behavior is good behavior performed when no one is watching. It does not require religion, just a notion of right and wrong.

I do think that Christians believe that God loves them which would imply that he/she/it cares about humans. He did give his only son to save us, did he not, according to the Book?

Wordslinger wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:
I've never stated any such thing.

 What makes you think I was accusing you, or even aiming my statements at you?  What was the name of that tune ...'You're so vain?"

Wordslinger wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:
When did I ever say that God was good or bad... or even cared for what the human race does to itself?

 Nothing in my original statement is aimed at you or whatever you did or didn't say about god

Wordslinger wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:
You've done that all by yourself proving how pathetic and self-serving your agenda is to your high crusade against others not like yourself.

Ain't nothing, Sweetcheeks,  against expressing one's opinion here.  That's what this is for Booby.

Wordslinger wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:
In the end you're no better than those you rail against.

  According to you, Giggles.

Damaged Eagle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:It would be nice if posters could stick to the topic instead of throwing out ideas unrelated to the original post, just mucking up the waters. It reminds me of tossing out little shreds of metallic material from a plane to fool the missals trying to destroy it.

Distraction is the order of the day for the chuckling eagle, or sparrow or whatever bird he is.

It's missiles not missals. One's used to destroy the other is used in prayer... but then that's beside the point. The point is that all that I've thrown out for you to chew on like rabid dogs has only shown your true nature. Just as your new attempt to belittle and demean me only show how true that last sentence I wrote was honey pie...

*****CHUCKLE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae829mFAGGE

  

othershoe1030 wrote:

I will credit the misspelling on the auto-correct feature.

As far as any attempt at belittling and demeaning the prize goes to you! You are number one in the demeaning and belittling category, that's for sure. In addition to the honey pie crap you also add sexist graphics. Your posts are disgusting in this regard. If you have a point, make it, don't call names.

You must change your MO or you are not going to hear any more comments from this poster. So sad I know but I am not here to receive abuse of this sort. I could call you dick head or fuck face or a sorry ass or any number of names but I have not, hoping against hope that you would see the error of your ways and stop acting like a 15 year old boy. See if you have the intestinal fortitude to treat us all as if we were worthy opponents or I for one will not entertain your continued disrespect and idiocy. Your attempts at debate are difficult enough to follow leaping as they do from pillar to post without the insulting language you feel obliged to throw in for good measure.

Wordslinger wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:Maybe not.

If religion is the only thing keeping you from bank robbery, rape, and murder, you are not a moral person.


One of my opponents on this theme claims all our morals come from God.

It's moral then to ask someone to kill his son to prove his loyalty, right?

Or to kill all the Egyptian children as a punishment to their parents.

Or, considering he, she or It's infallable, to let innocent victims of diseases like cancer writhe in torment for years?

None of that would have happened if god was a "good person."

Reality!

I think your point is very well taken. If the morals are internalized then the person takes them on as his own without the need for supervision. Some people wouldn't keep a bag of money that falls from an armored truck even if no one was watching. Moral behavior is good behavior performed when no one is watching. It does not require religion, just a notion of right and wrong.

I do think that Christians believe that God loves them which would imply that he/she/it cares about humans. He did give his only son to save us, did he not, according to the Book?

No rational person can deny that there are many moral perspectives and teachings in the Bible, Torah or Quran.  Nor can it be denied that the God portrayed in each is very much a sadist for whom, evidently few of the precious "ten commandments" apply.  

In response to your point about the Christian god giving his only son, etc, what kind of father would do that to his child?  Only a sick sonofabitch!

I suppose I could be convinced that a god existed or gods exist, etc.  But no one could convince me that that god figure deserved praise, love or worship.  

God is supposed to me omnipotent, right?  And clearly, the God of the major four religions appears opposed to evil.  Yet evil still exists.  Why?  Because God enjoys the show? Or because he's unable to put an end to it?

The thing is, it appears that for every good God does, he does a few bads just for the hell of it.  

For those reasons, I can't think of God as a good person.  

Dreamsglore wrote:If I were you OS I wouldn't debate w/ this guy. He's bizarre and way out there. He thinks it's ok to have sex w/ family members.Even his sister. I can't stomach that kind of thinking.It's way off my radar.

Dreamsglore wrote:If I were you OS I wouldn't debate w/ this guy. He's bizarre and way out there. He thinks it's ok to have sex w/ family members.Even his sister. I can't stomach that kind of thinking.It's way off my radar.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:If I were you OS I wouldn't debate w/ this guy. He's bizarre and way out there. He thinks it's ok to have sex w/ family members.Even his sister. I can't stomach that kind of thinking.It's way off my radar.

Interesting. His personal choices aside, that in itself should not prevent him from communicating rationally but sadly for some reason he is unable to address specifically posted statements. Bizarre would cover it. Thanks.

Dreamsglore wrote:A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
(Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science", New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930)

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Did god abort 58 MILLION children that no one in his right mind would say were not children ?  No you progressive Liberals did that...maybe God won't drown you all.

Markle wrote:What our Heathen friends always desperately need to ignore is that if there is a God, and I believe there is, then there is also the devil.  God doesn't always win.

Heathen's are like ships without rudders.  With them there is no right or wrong, port or starboard only gray areas depending on how they feel at the moment.  They just lean to port or starboard.  Nothing is definite.

Frequently this is amusing, other times just sad and pathetic.