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Why not just divide the Ukraine into two countries?

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TEOTWAWKI
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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

The people on the right half of it are allied with Russia.
And the people on the left half of it want to be allied with the West.

That's the logical solution. This aint rocket science.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Divide and conquer has been the way politicians have remained in power from since forever. If we would just throw out the whole left/right BS and focus on what's best for the country but not in a fascistic way there could be progress. Like Iceland showed us, focus on what's best for the PEOPLE !

Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:The people on the right half of it are allied with Russia.
And the people on the left half of it want to be allied with the West.

That's the logical solution.  This aint rocket science.


Why settle for half when this is who is telling you to stop?

Why not just divide the Ukraine into two countries? PutinbeinglecturedbyObama

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Bob wrote:The people on the right half of it are allied with Russia.
And the people on the left half of it want to be allied with the West.

That's the logical solution.  This aint rocket science.


In addition to Crimea their largest port city of Odessa (includes Yuzhne port to the NE), Kherson and Nikolaev want to secede and join Crimea. They have had it with Kiev, too. If Odessa opts that direction would be entire state / oblast of Odessa and port of Ilyichevsk, too.

Odessa is currently controlled by a Jewish mafia in the port, city government, etc. They would welcome being aligned with Putin and Russia.

Svoboda almost took Odessa in the last elections. They are the Far Right that are being called Neo-Nazis by the EU and USA manipulators. They want change, no more corrupt government.

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The division line is more like shown on this map and would include Odessa, Nikolaev and Kherson that are W and NW of ARC.

Why not just divide the Ukraine into two countries? Ukraine2010

Tymoshenko fell out of favor when she started the EU push.

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Another dynamic the Western MSM is not admitting to is demonstrated by this map. Note the three states in brown and will explain below.

Why not just divide the Ukraine into two countries? Svoboda-2012

The Far Right neo-Nazi party Svoboda won those three states and won seats in Kiev itself. That part of Ukraine is right next to Hungary, which also has a rapidly growing neo-Nazi nationalism party.

Svoboda almost took Odessa because they have had it with the Jew controlled mafia influences that have control of Kiev.

In the last government their First Deputy Prime Minister Andrey Kluyev is known Jewish Mafia and was the #2 person in the previous government. He was not part of same party as former president, was head of another group that wedged its way in on coalition.

I know a Ukraine woman that lives in Germany and worked for Kluyev until she found out what he really is.

If Ukraine splits as the voting and Russia allegiance is, the USA, EU and Soros can kiss their pipeline dreams across Ukraine goodbye.

That might be why USA just opened new military base in Romania because White Stream 2 is to run undersea from Georgia to Romania.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Ukraine splits as the voting and Russia allegiance is, the USA, EU and Soros can kiss their pipeline dreams across Ukraine goodbye.

That might be why USA just opened new military base in Romania because White Stream 2 is to run undersea from Georgia to Romania.  


Ukraine crisis is about Great Power oil, gas pipeline rivalry

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

It seems to always be about oil (or gas).

The Ukraine Discussion has Fingers Pointed at Russia, but what if the Ukraine Scenario Was Started by U.S. & European Special Interests (And George Soros) to Block Russia’s Ability to Freely Move Gas & Oil to Global Markets?

http://www.libertynews.com/2014/03/the-ukraine-discussion-has-fingers-pointed-at-russia-but-what-if-the-ukraine-scenario-was-started-by-u-s-european-special-interests-and-george-soros-to-block-russias-ability-to-freely-move-gas/

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Bob wrote:
AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Ukraine splits as the voting and Russia allegiance is, the USA, EU and Soros can kiss their pipeline dreams across Ukraine goodbye.

That might be why USA just opened new military base in Romania because White Stream 2 is to run undersea from Georgia to Romania.  


Ukraine crisis is about Great Power oil, gas pipeline rivalry

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

It seems to always be about oil (or gas).

The Ukraine Discussion has Fingers Pointed at Russia, but what if the Ukraine Scenario Was Started by U.S. & European Special Interests (And George Soros) to Block Russia’s Ability to Freely Move Gas & Oil to Global Markets?

http://www.libertynews.com/2014/03/the-ukraine-discussion-has-fingers-pointed-at-russia-but-what-if-the-ukraine-scenario-was-started-by-u-s-european-special-interests-and-george-soros-to-block-russias-ability-to-freely-move-gas/


That is why I put PACKDOG on block. Americans have to come to grips with WHY 9-11 happened and it was not some wily Muslim terrorists. They needed an excuse to launch a global war that was fabricated within the RNC National Policy Forum between 1994-1996 by both War Hawk Republicans and Far Left Zionist Jews that defected from DNC, dressed up as Conservative NEOCONS and launched the most bogus war in the history of mankind.

If Sheeple dig deep enough they can even learn that at least 8 of the alleged 19 terrorists WORK FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!! They destroyed America exactly as I predicted when I WALKED OUT THE DOOR ON THEM on a fitting day, JUNE 6, 1996.

CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE INSIDE TRUTH FOR YOU FOLKS ON THIS BOARD?

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

AmericanSwiss wrote:
Bob wrote:
AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Ukraine splits as the voting and Russia allegiance is, the USA, EU and Soros can kiss their pipeline dreams across Ukraine goodbye.

That might be why USA just opened new military base in Romania because White Stream 2 is to run undersea from Georgia to Romania.  


Ukraine crisis is about Great Power oil, gas pipeline rivalry

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

It seems to always be about oil (or gas).

The Ukraine Discussion has Fingers Pointed at Russia, but what if the Ukraine Scenario Was Started by U.S. & European Special Interests (And George Soros) to Block Russia’s Ability to Freely Move Gas & Oil to Global Markets?

http://www.libertynews.com/2014/03/the-ukraine-discussion-has-fingers-pointed-at-russia-but-what-if-the-ukraine-scenario-was-started-by-u-s-european-special-interests-and-george-soros-to-block-russias-ability-to-freely-move-gas/


That is why I put PACKDOG on block.  Americans have to come to grips with WHY 9-11 happened and it was not some wily Muslim terrorists.  They needed an excuse to launch a global war that was fabricated within the RNC National Policy Forum between 1994-1996 by both War Hawk Republicans and Far Left Zionist Jews that defected from DNC, dressed up as Conservative NEOCONS and launched the most bogus war in the history of mankind.

If Sheeple dig deep enough they can even learn that at least 8 of the alleged 19 terrorists WORK FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!  They destroyed America exactly as I predicted when I WALKED OUT THE DOOR ON THEM on a fitting day, JUNE 6, 1996.

CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE INSIDE TRUTH FOR YOU FOLKS ON THIS BOARD?


Thanks !  cheers cheers cheers 

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Sheeple dig deep enough they can even learn that at least 8 of the alleged 19 terrorists WORK FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.


Did you mean to say "they work for" or do you mean "they worked for"? In other words, are you saying that at least 8 of the 19 hijackers ARE STILL ALIVE?

Help us out.  We all have google.  Give us a search string to research that claim.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Bob wrote:
AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Sheeple dig deep enough they can even learn that at least 8 of the alleged 19 terrorists WORK FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.


Did you mean to say "they work for" or do you mean "they worked for"?  In other words,  are you saying that at least 8 of the 19 hijackers ARE STILL ALIVE?

Help us out.  We all have google.  Give us a search string to research that claim.

Bob even a cursory review of available data would show you that at least 9 of the mentioned hi-jackers were still very much alive and a couple of them are airline pilots...

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Bob wrote:
AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Sheeple dig deep enough they can even learn that at least 8 of the alleged 19 terrorists WORK FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.


Did you mean to say "they work for" or do you mean "they worked for"?  In other words,  are you saying that at least 8 of the 19 hijackers ARE STILL ALIVE?

Help us out.  We all have google.  Give us a search string to research that claim.

Bob even a cursory review of available data would show you that at least 9 of the mentioned hi-jackers were still very much alive and a couple of them are airline pilots...

The USA wants Global Empire ruled from DC. Notwithstanding how laughable that is since they cannot even run Washington DC, Americans need to look far and wide out across this mythical Global American Empire to see the truth for what it is.

I bet not one of you saw this in MSM America, and it is in my book and was printed in Pakistan about 1 month after the Bogus GWOT commenced:

11:01 2001-11-22
Bin Laden: Not all Americans are bad
”Mohammed Omar predicted the current campaign by the USA in Afghanistan 5 years ago, claiming that when the Taliban would not allow the US to build a pipeline they will begin to attack us, justifying it with Bin Laden.
Omar’s words are reported by Hamid Mir, who made the last interview with Osama Bin Laden, who declared that he is not against the American people, only the politicians and the state.
In the first interviews, Osama Bin Laden had declared himself against all the American people but he had changed. He admitted that there were many good people in the United States and it was the politicians and State, which he despised. He told Mir that he had seen many western people on television protesting at the bombing in Afghanistan and concluded, “They are good people. They are not Moslems, but they condemn the bombing”.


That was in the text, this is one of the footnotes the CIA and NSA made sure was no longer accessible. This was printed in Uzbekistan in 2003:

This is text of my book:

I always thought Mohammed Atta looked more Tartar [Tatar] than Arabic, but maybe that is just me and the way that I pay attention to details. Architects are that way you know, pay attention to minute details, three dimensionally and multiple layers deep.
Maybe Mohammed Atta was a “made up” name too. See this Uzbekistan Muslim news source. Make sure you read this footnote in its entirety.


This is the footnote:

December 5, 2003 -RUMSFELD ON TRIP TO CENTRAL ASIAN ALLIES: AFGHANISTAN, UZBEKISTAN AND GEORGIA; Source: The Associated Press - Uploaded/Updated: 12/05/2003 01:25:54: Here in the poor and desolate north, where the war tides first turned against the Taliban in November 2001, Rumsfeld raced through a dusty haze in a caravan of SUVs to a British Army compound, where he met with Abdul Rashid Dostum and Mohammed Atta, the two major northern Afghanistan warlords.

Maybe some of you read about the UNMIK flight out of Kosovo just before midnight Kosovo time (5pm to 6pm NYC, September 11, 2001) regarding a large amount of cash believe delivered to GENERAL RASHID DOSTUM in the early hours of September 12, 2001.

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Bob wrote:
AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Sheeple dig deep enough they can even learn that at least 8 of the alleged 19 terrorists WORK FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.


Did you mean to say "they work for" or do you mean "they worked for"?  In other words,  are you saying that at least 8 of the 19 hijackers ARE STILL ALIVE?

Help us out.  We all have google.  Give us a search string to research that claim.

Bob even a cursory review of available data would show you that at least 9 of the mentioned hi-jackers were still very much alive and a couple of them are airline pilots...



Why not just divide the Ukraine into two countries? Hijackers+alive+BBC

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Bob wrote:
AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Sheeple dig deep enough they can even learn that at least 8 of the alleged 19 terrorists WORK FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.


Did you mean to say "they work for" or do you mean "they worked for"?  In other words,  are you saying that at least 8 of the 19 hijackers ARE STILL ALIVE?

Help us out.  We all have google.  Give us a search string to research that claim.

GOOGLE WAS FINANCED BY IN-Q-TEL, THE VENTURE CAPITAL ARM OF THE CIA.

YOU WOULD BE AMAZED AT WHAT THE USA DOES NOT LET YOU OR ANYONE ELSE USING GOOGLE SEE.

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Guest

The US State Department mouthpiece for what the USA wants in Ukraine is none other than Victoria Nuland, wife of Robert Kagan, one of those Zionist Jews that defected from DNC, pretends to be a Conservative NEOCON and is pure Zionist Jew COMMUNIST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

Pro-Israel, all for this war against ISLAM and Americans too dumb or too distracted to connect the dots.

17Why not just divide the Ukraine into two countries? Empty footnotes 3/7/2014, 1:49 am

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the copy and paste missed the footnote about Rumsfeld meeting with Mohammed Atta:

http://www.christusrex.org/www1/pater/ethno/RusE.html; TATAR (TARTAR) [TTR] 5,715,000 speakers (86%) out of an ethnic group of 6,645,588 in the former USSR (1989 census), including 6,017,000 ethnic Tatar, of whom 86% speak Tatar as mother tongue; 31,787 in Azerbaijan; 328,000 in Kazakhstan; 70,000 in Kyrghyzstan; 80,000 in Tajikistan; 40,434 in Turkmenistan; 468,000 in Uzbekistan; 7,000 to 10,000 in New York City and San Francisco, USA. [None mentioned for Afghanistan in this article.]
http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2003/12/ennews05122003_1.html; December 5, 2003 -RUMSFELD ON TRIP TO CENTRAL ASIAN ALLIES: AFGHANISTAN, UZBEKISTAN AND GEORGIA; Source: The Associated Press - Uploaded/Updated: 12/05/2003 01:25:54: Here in the poor and desolate north, where the war tides first turned against the Taliban in November 2001, Rumsfeld raced through a dusty haze in a caravan of SUVs to a British Army compound, where he met with Abdul Rashid Dostum and Mohammed Atta, the two major northern Afghanistan warlords.
http://www.muslimuzbekistan.com/eng/ennews/2002/09/ennews16092002.html; September 16, 2002 AMERICA'S CASE FOR WAR IS BUILT ON BLINDNESS, HYPOCRISY AND LIES; Source: The Independent - By Robert Fisk: But the real lie in the President's speech – that which has dominated American political discourse since the crimes against humanity on 11 September last year – was the virtual absence of any attempt to explain the real reasons why the United States has found itself under attack. In his mendacious article in this newspaper last week, President Bush's Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, also attempted to mask this reality. The 11 September assault, he announced, was an attack on people "who believe in freedom, who practise tolerance and who defend the inalienable rights of man". He made, as usual, absolutely no reference to the Middle East, to America's woeful, biased policies in that region, to its

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Sock

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Sock

That was feeble you must be running out of "sock". Not near as emphatic as your previous attacks. Come on Pace there are people out there that are closer to the fire than any of us will ever be. I haven't seen a crack in his story yet...

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Sock and you are as gullible as the day is long.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

AmericanSwiss wrote:
Bob wrote:
AmericanSwiss wrote:

If Sheeple dig deep enough they can even learn that at least 8 of the alleged 19 terrorists WORK FOR THE US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.


Did you mean to say "they work for" or do you mean "they worked for"?  In other words,  are you saying that at least 8 of the 19 hijackers ARE STILL ALIVE?

Help us out.  We all have google.  Give us a search string to research that claim.

GOOGLE WAS FINANCED BY IN-Q-TEL, THE VENTURE CAPITAL ARM OF THE CIA.

YOU WOULD BE AMAZED AT WHAT THE USA DOES NOT LET YOU OR ANYONE ELSE USING GOOGLE SEE.


DO NO EVIL GOOGLE – CENSOR & SNITCH FOR THE STATE

http://www.theburningplatform.com/2014/02/24/do-no-evil-google-censor-snitch-for-the-state/

"...Google has become a tool and partner of the Deep State. Enrichment of the state within the state is their sole purpose. Google’s Don’t Be Evil motto, originated when they were a fledgling company in 2000, has become a farce as they have descended into the netherworld as the information police for the ruling despots. They are now a humungous corporation with near monopoly control over the flow of information, searches, emails, and internet advertising. They know more about you and your habits than you do. They attempt to control freedom of speech at the point of a wire transfer. Fall into line or no advertising blood money for you. Not only do they suppress viewpoints through advertising revenue bullying, they manipulate their search engine results to hide the truth from the masses.  Google search engines filter, block and bury blog posts that contain content or information it deems incompatible with the message of its corporate fascist co-conspirators. Its oppressive corporate practices on behalf of its evil partners are an abridgment of the freedom of speech, perversion of the truth, and active attempt to mold the minds of the masses..."

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Let's see..... Nah never mind ....

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Sock and you are as gullible as the day is long.

Well then instead of just saying sock why don't you prove him a liar and a charlatan ? I realize you don't like anyone that questions YOUR mission in the service but hey they spit on us Nam guys...you at least get thanked most of the time.



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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Sock

What is so hilarious is to see PaceDog accuse others of using socks...

KarlRove = PaceDog
PaceDog = Karl Rove

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

AmericanSwiss wrote:The US State Department mouthpiece for what the USA wants in Ukraine is none other than Victoria Nuland, wife of Robert Kagan, one of those Zionist Jews that defected from DNC, pretends to be a Conservative NEOCON and is pure Zionist Jew COMMUNIST.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland

Pro-Israel, all for this war against ISLAM and Americans too dumb or too distracted to connect the dots.


You talk a lot (strangely) about Israel and Zionism.....

That gets a poster like PaceDog tied up in a knot, as he has told us a million times on this forum that God protects Zionist Israel, and if we do anything that goes against the Zionists, we are toast. He thinks Benjanmin Netanyahu is a great man, and is all for either a U.S. strike on Iran, or us helping Israel attack Iran. I have told him that religious dogma clouds his views. What is your take on Israel in today's world?

Note, a couple of us here get called "anti-Semitic" on a regular basis for expressing views about Israel that are contrary to popular opinion......

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