Florida lawmakers vote to expand ‘stand your ground’ law

Floridatexan wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/15/3286451/make-sense-dunn-verdict/

"A Florida jury could not reach a verdict on the most serious charge facing Michael Dunn, a first degree murder charge for the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Jordan Davis after a dispute over loud music at a Jacksonville convenience store. Nevertheless, Dunn is all but certain to face a lengthy prison sentence as he was convicted on three counts of attempted second degree murder — one for each of three of Dunn’s friends who were also in the line of fire as Dunn fired ten rounds into their sport utility vehicle.
The judge declared a mistrial on the first degree murder count, leaving prosecutors the option of seeking a new trial.
The Florida shooting was the most prominent fatal shooting of a teen in self-defense since the death of Trayvon Martin drew national attention to Florida’s Stand Your Ground law. The law was also cited in Dunn’s trial.
The shooting occurred after Dunn asked the boys to turn down their music while parked next to him in a Jacksonville convenience store parking lot. His fiancée, Rhonda Rouer, says the last thing she heard him say was, “I hate that thug music.” Rouer was in the convenience store when she heard gunshots, and when she ran outside, he told her to get in the car and they drove away.
Dunn claimed he saw a gun and believed the boys were armed and dangerous. But police found no gun in the car. He said he heard Davis threaten to kill him, and responded by rolling down the window of his car and asking, “Are you talking to me?” Dunn and Rouer spent the night in a hotel, as planned, and their testimony differed about what happened that night, and in the days that followed. Dunn’s friends testified that they knew him as a calm and non-violent man.
During closing arguments, prosecutor John Guy told jurors, “Jordan Davis didn’t have a weapon. He had a big mouth. And that defendant wasn’t gonna stand for it. And it cost Jordan Davis his life.”
Dunn’s lawyer Cory Strolla cited Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in his closing argument, “His honor will further tell you that if Michael Dunn was in a public place where he had a legal right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force.” As in the George Zimmerman trial, the Stand Your Ground law was included in the jury instructions.
Alluding to public controversy of the law, Strolla added, “It’s not because I wrote it. It’s not cause I like it. We’re not here to change it and we’re not here to fight it. We’re here to apply it.”
When asked about the relevance of the law to this case during a press conference, Strolla told reporters that he “strategically” decided not to seek a separate Stand Your Ground hearing that could have given Dunn immunity before trial, because of the national media attention. He claimed the law was therefore not relevant to the case. But the jurors were nonetheless advised to consider the law when deciding Dunn’s guilt, by both Strolla and in the jury instructions.
Just prior to the trial, the State Attorney’s Office released a set of letters Dunn sent from prison revealing significant animus toward blacks. “The more time I am exposed to these people, the more prejudiced against them I become,” he said in one. “This jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs,” he said in another. The letters did not come into play during trial. But they reveal the sort of racial undertones that have been prominent in many Stand Your Ground cases. One study found that white defendants with black victims are far more likely to have their killings deem “justified” under the Stand Your Ground law."

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The reason this bad law is in other states is that it was pushed by ALEC. Apparently, even if the law is not used in the defense, it still influences the jury...as in this case...and the Zimmerman case...and apparently every other murder trial in the state of Florida...because it's part of the jury instructions...providing just enough ambiguity to confuse the jurors.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/15/3286451/make-sense-dunn-verdict/

"A Florida jury could not reach a verdict on the most serious charge facing Michael Dunn, a first degree murder charge for the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Jordan Davis after a dispute over loud music at a Jacksonville convenience store. Nevertheless, Dunn is all but certain to face a lengthy prison sentence as he was convicted on three counts of attempted second degree murder — one for each of three of Dunn’s friends who were also in the line of fire as Dunn fired ten rounds into their sport utility vehicle.
The judge declared a mistrial on the first degree murder count, leaving prosecutors the option of seeking a new trial.
The Florida shooting was the most prominent fatal shooting of a teen in self-defense since the death of Trayvon Martin drew national attention to Florida’s Stand Your Ground law. The law was also cited in Dunn’s trial.
The shooting occurred after Dunn asked the boys to turn down their music while parked next to him in a Jacksonville convenience store parking lot. His fiancée, Rhonda Rouer, says the last thing she heard him say was, “I hate that thug music.” Rouer was in the convenience store when she heard gunshots, and when she ran outside, he told her to get in the car and they drove away.
Dunn claimed he saw a gun and believed the boys were armed and dangerous. But police found no gun in the car. He said he heard Davis threaten to kill him, and responded by rolling down the window of his car and asking, “Are you talking to me?” Dunn and Rouer spent the night in a hotel, as planned, and their testimony differed about what happened that night, and in the days that followed. Dunn’s friends testified that they knew him as a calm and non-violent man.
During closing arguments, prosecutor John Guy told jurors, “Jordan Davis didn’t have a weapon. He had a big mouth. And that defendant wasn’t gonna stand for it. And it cost Jordan Davis his life.”
Dunn’s lawyer Cory Strolla cited Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in his closing argument, “His honor will further tell you that if Michael Dunn was in a public place where he had a legal right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force.” As in the George Zimmerman trial, the Stand Your Ground law was included in the jury instructions.
Alluding to public controversy of the law, Strolla added, “It’s not because I wrote it. It’s not cause I like it. We’re not here to change it and we’re not here to fight it. We’re here to apply it.”
When asked about the relevance of the law to this case during a press conference, Strolla told reporters that he “strategically” decided not to seek a separate Stand Your Ground hearing that could have given Dunn immunity before trial, because of the national media attention. He claimed the law was therefore not relevant to the case. But the jurors were nonetheless advised to consider the law when deciding Dunn’s guilt, by both Strolla and in the jury instructions.
Just prior to the trial, the State Attorney’s Office released a set of letters Dunn sent from prison revealing significant animus toward blacks. “The more time I am exposed to these people, the more prejudiced against them I become,” he said in one. “This jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs,” he said in another. The letters did not come into play during trial. But they reveal the sort of racial undertones that have been prominent in many Stand Your Ground cases. One study found that white defendants with black victims are far more likely to have their killings deem “justified” under the Stand Your Ground law."

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The reason this bad law is in other states is that it was pushed by ALEC. Apparently, even if the law is not used in the defense, it still influences the jury...as in this case...and the Zimmerman case...and apparently every other murder trial in the state of Florida...because it's part of the jury instructions...providing just enough ambiguity to confuse the jurors.

The problem w/ Dunn's lies is that he fired three shots into the car and as they were retreating he fired more. He knew they didn't have a gun and I doubt they threatened to kill him. Probably just cussed at him.He was a violent man according to his neighbor. He beat up both his ex-wives and put a gun to one's head.

Dot wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/15/3286451/make-sense-dunn-verdict/

"A Florida jury could not reach a verdict on the most serious charge facing Michael Dunn, a first degree murder charge for the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Jordan Davis after a dispute over loud music at a Jacksonville convenience store. Nevertheless, Dunn is all but certain to face a lengthy prison sentence as he was convicted on three counts of attempted second degree murder — one for each of three of Dunn’s friends who were also in the line of fire as Dunn fired ten rounds into their sport utility vehicle.
The judge declared a mistrial on the first degree murder count, leaving prosecutors the option of seeking a new trial.
The Florida shooting was the most prominent fatal shooting of a teen in self-defense since the death of Trayvon Martin drew national attention to Florida’s Stand Your Ground law. The law was also cited in Dunn’s trial.
The shooting occurred after Dunn asked the boys to turn down their music while parked next to him in a Jacksonville convenience store parking lot. His fiancée, Rhonda Rouer, says the last thing she heard him say was, “I hate that thug music.” Rouer was in the convenience store when she heard gunshots, and when she ran outside, he told her to get in the car and they drove away.
Dunn claimed he saw a gun and believed the boys were armed and dangerous. But police found no gun in the car. He said he heard Davis threaten to kill him, and responded by rolling down the window of his car and asking, “Are you talking to me?” Dunn and Rouer spent the night in a hotel, as planned, and their testimony differed about what happened that night, and in the days that followed. Dunn’s friends testified that they knew him as a calm and non-violent man.
During closing arguments, prosecutor John Guy told jurors, “Jordan Davis didn’t have a weapon. He had a big mouth. And that defendant wasn’t gonna stand for it. And it cost Jordan Davis his life.”
Dunn’s lawyer Cory Strolla cited Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in his closing argument, “His honor will further tell you that if Michael Dunn was in a public place where he had a legal right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force.” As in the George Zimmerman trial, the Stand Your Ground law was included in the jury instructions.
Alluding to public controversy of the law, Strolla added, “It’s not because I wrote it. It’s not cause I like it. We’re not here to change it and we’re not here to fight it. We’re here to apply it.”
When asked about the relevance of the law to this case during a press conference, Strolla told reporters that he “strategically” decided not to seek a separate Stand Your Ground hearing that could have given Dunn immunity before trial, because of the national media attention. He claimed the law was therefore not relevant to the case. But the jurors were nonetheless advised to consider the law when deciding Dunn’s guilt, by both Strolla and in the jury instructions.
Just prior to the trial, the State Attorney’s Office released a set of letters Dunn sent from prison revealing significant animus toward blacks. “The more time I am exposed to these people, the more prejudiced against them I become,” he said in one. “This jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs,” he said in another. The letters did not come into play during trial. But they reveal the sort of racial undertones that have been prominent in many Stand Your Ground cases. One study found that white defendants with black victims are far more likely to have their killings deem “justified” under the Stand Your Ground law."

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The reason this bad law is in other states is that it was pushed by ALEC. Apparently, even if the law is not used in the defense, it still influences the jury...as in this case...and the Zimmerman case...and apparently every other murder trial in the state of Florida...because it's part of the jury instructions...providing just enough ambiguity to confuse the jurors.

The problem w/ Dunn's lies is that he fired three shots into the car and as they were retreating he fired more. He knew they didn't have a gun and I doubt they threatened to kill him. Probably just cussed at him.He was a violent man according to his neighbor. He beat up both his ex-wives and put a gun to one's head.

go finger fuck your gf on another thread. the only person hijacking this thread is me. this is about that guy. if you had a brain cell, you would realize it most closely relates to the woman, alexander.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Dot wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/15/3286451/make-sense-dunn-verdict/

"A Florida jury could not reach a verdict on the most serious charge facing Michael Dunn, a first degree murder charge for the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Jordan Davis after a dispute over loud music at a Jacksonville convenience store. Nevertheless, Dunn is all but certain to face a lengthy prison sentence as he was convicted on three counts of attempted second degree murder — one for each of three of Dunn’s friends who were also in the line of fire as Dunn fired ten rounds into their sport utility vehicle.
The judge declared a mistrial on the first degree murder count, leaving prosecutors the option of seeking a new trial.
The Florida shooting was the most prominent fatal shooting of a teen in self-defense since the death of Trayvon Martin drew national attention to Florida’s Stand Your Ground law. The law was also cited in Dunn’s trial.
The shooting occurred after Dunn asked the boys to turn down their music while parked next to him in a Jacksonville convenience store parking lot. His fiancée, Rhonda Rouer, says the last thing she heard him say was, “I hate that thug music.” Rouer was in the convenience store when she heard gunshots, and when she ran outside, he told her to get in the car and they drove away.
Dunn claimed he saw a gun and believed the boys were armed and dangerous. But police found no gun in the car. He said he heard Davis threaten to kill him, and responded by rolling down the window of his car and asking, “Are you talking to me?” Dunn and Rouer spent the night in a hotel, as planned, and their testimony differed about what happened that night, and in the days that followed. Dunn’s friends testified that they knew him as a calm and non-violent man.
During closing arguments, prosecutor John Guy told jurors, “Jordan Davis didn’t have a weapon. He had a big mouth. And that defendant wasn’t gonna stand for it. And it cost Jordan Davis his life.”
Dunn’s lawyer Cory Strolla cited Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in his closing argument, “His honor will further tell you that if Michael Dunn was in a public place where he had a legal right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force.” As in the George Zimmerman trial, the Stand Your Ground law was included in the jury instructions.
Alluding to public controversy of the law, Strolla added, “It’s not because I wrote it. It’s not cause I like it. We’re not here to change it and we’re not here to fight it. We’re here to apply it.”
When asked about the relevance of the law to this case during a press conference, Strolla told reporters that he “strategically” decided not to seek a separate Stand Your Ground hearing that could have given Dunn immunity before trial, because of the national media attention. He claimed the law was therefore not relevant to the case. But the jurors were nonetheless advised to consider the law when deciding Dunn’s guilt, by both Strolla and in the jury instructions.
Just prior to the trial, the State Attorney’s Office released a set of letters Dunn sent from prison revealing significant animus toward blacks. “The more time I am exposed to these people, the more prejudiced against them I become,” he said in one. “This jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs,” he said in another. The letters did not come into play during trial. But they reveal the sort of racial undertones that have been prominent in many Stand Your Ground cases. One study found that white defendants with black victims are far more likely to have their killings deem “justified” under the Stand Your Ground law."

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The reason this bad law is in other states is that it was pushed by ALEC. Apparently, even if the law is not used in the defense, it still influences the jury...as in this case...and the Zimmerman case...and apparently every other murder trial in the state of Florida...because it's part of the jury instructions...providing just enough ambiguity to confuse the jurors.

The problem w/ Dunn's lies is that he fired three shots into the car and as they were retreating he fired more. He knew they didn't have a gun and I doubt they threatened to kill him. Probably just cussed at him.He was a violent man according to his neighbor. He beat up both his ex-wives and put a gun to one's head.

go finger fuck your gf on another thread. the only person hijacking this thread is me. this is about that guy. if you had a brain cell, you would realize it most closely relates to the woman, alexander.

KMA ,you skank. I'll post what I want.

Dot wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Dot wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/02/15/3286451/make-sense-dunn-verdict/

"A Florida jury could not reach a verdict on the most serious charge facing Michael Dunn, a first degree murder charge for the fatal shooting of 17-year-old Jordan Davis after a dispute over loud music at a Jacksonville convenience store. Nevertheless, Dunn is all but certain to face a lengthy prison sentence as he was convicted on three counts of attempted second degree murder — one for each of three of Dunn’s friends who were also in the line of fire as Dunn fired ten rounds into their sport utility vehicle.
The judge declared a mistrial on the first degree murder count, leaving prosecutors the option of seeking a new trial.
The Florida shooting was the most prominent fatal shooting of a teen in self-defense since the death of Trayvon Martin drew national attention to Florida’s Stand Your Ground law. The law was also cited in Dunn’s trial.
The shooting occurred after Dunn asked the boys to turn down their music while parked next to him in a Jacksonville convenience store parking lot. His fiancée, Rhonda Rouer, says the last thing she heard him say was, “I hate that thug music.” Rouer was in the convenience store when she heard gunshots, and when she ran outside, he told her to get in the car and they drove away.
Dunn claimed he saw a gun and believed the boys were armed and dangerous. But police found no gun in the car. He said he heard Davis threaten to kill him, and responded by rolling down the window of his car and asking, “Are you talking to me?” Dunn and Rouer spent the night in a hotel, as planned, and their testimony differed about what happened that night, and in the days that followed. Dunn’s friends testified that they knew him as a calm and non-violent man.
During closing arguments, prosecutor John Guy told jurors, “Jordan Davis didn’t have a weapon. He had a big mouth. And that defendant wasn’t gonna stand for it. And it cost Jordan Davis his life.”
Dunn’s lawyer Cory Strolla cited Florida’s Stand Your Ground law in his closing argument, “His honor will further tell you that if Michael Dunn was in a public place where he had a legal right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force.” As in the George Zimmerman trial, the Stand Your Ground law was included in the jury instructions.
Alluding to public controversy of the law, Strolla added, “It’s not because I wrote it. It’s not cause I like it. We’re not here to change it and we’re not here to fight it. We’re here to apply it.”
When asked about the relevance of the law to this case during a press conference, Strolla told reporters that he “strategically” decided not to seek a separate Stand Your Ground hearing that could have given Dunn immunity before trial, because of the national media attention. He claimed the law was therefore not relevant to the case. But the jurors were nonetheless advised to consider the law when deciding Dunn’s guilt, by both Strolla and in the jury instructions.
Just prior to the trial, the State Attorney’s Office released a set of letters Dunn sent from prison revealing significant animus toward blacks. “The more time I am exposed to these people, the more prejudiced against them I become,” he said in one. “This jail is full of blacks and they all act like thugs,” he said in another. The letters did not come into play during trial. But they reveal the sort of racial undertones that have been prominent in many Stand Your Ground cases. One study found that white defendants with black victims are far more likely to have their killings deem “justified” under the Stand Your Ground law."

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The reason this bad law is in other states is that it was pushed by ALEC. Apparently, even if the law is not used in the defense, it still influences the jury...as in this case...and the Zimmerman case...and apparently every other murder trial in the state of Florida...because it's part of the jury instructions...providing just enough ambiguity to confuse the jurors.

The problem w/ Dunn's lies is that he fired three shots into the car and as they were retreating he fired more. He knew they didn't have a gun and I doubt they threatened to kill him. Probably just cussed at him.He was a violent man according to his neighbor. He beat up both his ex-wives and put a gun to one's head.

go finger fuck your gf on another thread. the only person hijacking this thread is me. this is about that guy. if you had a brain cell, you would realize it most closely relates to the woman, alexander.

KMA ,you skank. I'll post what I want.

I wouldn't kiss your ass with my dead lips. I wouldn't even let my dog sniff your ass, she would probably start pissing in my bed if that happened , like when your dog smells your stinky ass.

and that's Ms Sexy Skank to you old dog fucker

TEOTWAWKI wrote:You two need new words, these are losing their punch. I used to be shocked when I read your exchanges but they need something new and even more vulgar to hold your audiences attention. SHOCK IT TO ME !

Gunz wrote:To anyone that thinks that is is cowardly or not becoming of a "real man" to excercise a constitutional right and carry a weapon I would just say that the argument could be made that someone that sits behind a keyboard and anonymously makes post after post belittling others while exercising his right to freedom of speech could equally be called a coward. After all, "real men" dont need to hide their identity while calling others stupid, clueless and other similar derogatory names.....do they?

2seaoat wrote:To anyone that thinks that is is cowardly or not becoming of a "real man" to excercise a constitutional right and carry a weapon I would just say that the argument could be made that someone that sits behind a keyboard and anonymously makes post after post belittling others while exercising his right to freedom of speech could equally be called a coward. After all, "real men" dont need to hide their identity while calling others stupid, clueless and other similar derogatory names.....do they?


Nothing belittling in telling the truth.....look at the people who are carrying guns....Zimmerman and the latest character......scardy cats who beat women......the constitution does not give the right to be afraid......and yes real men do not carry concealed weapons.  As to the nature of this forum it is what it is and mere words only make cowards uncomfortable.  A person should be able to argue why they are so afraid and need a hidden gun.   Hey, if you are afraid and this makes you feel braver, who I am to argue.....I simply do not get it, and I have hunted and belonged to gun clubs since I was five years old, and never was I frightened enough to walk public streets hiding a gun.  I do not get hitting women, nor having that much fear.....life is too short to live every day as a coward.  Sorry, a punk gang banger, or the George Zimmermans of this world do not fit the gun merchant's marketing that it is macho to carry a hidden gun......it is the definition of punk.

2seaoat wrote:If he could whoop my asz, why is he carrying a gun?

2seaoat wrote:To anyone that thinks that is is cowardly or not becoming of a "real man" to excercise a constitutional right and carry a weapon I would just say that the argument could be made that someone that sits behind a keyboard and anonymously makes post after post belittling others while exercising his right to freedom of speech could equally be called a coward. After all, "real men" dont need to hide their identity while calling others stupid, clueless and other similar derogatory names.....do they?


Nothing belittling in telling the truth.....look at the people who are carrying guns....Zimmerman and the latest character......scardy cats who beat women......the constitution does not give the right to be afraid......and yes real men do not carry concealed weapons.  As to the nature of this forum it is what it is and mere words only make cowards uncomfortable.  A person should be able to argue why they are so afraid and need a hidden gun.   Hey, if you are afraid and this makes you feel braver, who I am to argue.....I simply do not get it, and I have hunted and belonged to gun clubs since I was five years old, and never was I frightened enough to walk public streets hiding a gun.  I do not get hitting women, nor having that much fear.....life is too short to live every day as a coward.  Sorry, a punk gang banger, or the George Zimmermans of this world do not fit the gun merchant's marketing that it is macho to carry a hidden gun......it is the definition of punk.

2seaoat wrote:Says the keyboard coward... you can STFU anytime

No cowardice from this keyboard.....when have I pouted and ran off from this forum because I could not debate an issue?   Ideas stand on their own merits.
I see a Heavyweight champion of the world taking on your hero Putin in the halls of government in Ukraine, and he is a real man with power and intelligence, not some hollywood make believe propaganda which props up a petty little dictator.  I am sure if Putin was in America, he would hide a weapon.  The heavyweight champ trained in Miami, and I guarantee you he never carried a weapon in America......he would laugh at the thought of the same......and it is real men like Mr. K who will defeat your bitch Putin.

Gunz wrote:You name one person of the million plus ccwl holders in Florida who you assume to be less than honorable.   Facts from the DOJ prove your assumptions false. A miniscule fraction of ccwl are revoked because of felony arrests.   Again I say that it is infinitely more cowardly to call people nazis, substance abusers, clueless and stupid while cloaked in anonymity than for someone to take precautions against the possibility of a crime being perpetrated on themselves or a family member and carry a legally obtained and licensed weapon.