The Vice President Paul Ryan Medicare thread.

reaper1948 wrote:

Buttman wrote:Reaper,

Recently you posted that under Obama's medicare reform those who turn 65 before Jan 1, 2014 will be grandfathered in to the existing Medicare benefits.
I will turn 65 one month after this so I wouldn't be grandfathered into that.

Do we happen to know what date Paul Ryan's latest plan makes us "grandfathers" vs "shit out of luck"?

Crap Bob I must be getting old I don't remember posting that. Are you sure I wasn't speaking about the under 65 products and how the health care reform act will be implemented? Obama doesn't have much about Medicare reform in his ahca. A cut here and there and closing the gap in the Part D prescription drug plan over the next few years.

As far as the grandfathered under 65 plans some people may not be able to keep them and have to change on Jan 1 2014, but I'm thinking that MEGA is not a major medical anyway and it's more like a supplementary plan that pays a little here and there so you may be able to keep it until Feb 1 2014 when you go on Medicare.

Ryans plan hasn't passed the house yet and after a little thought, if Romney and Ryan are elected well let's face it not many of our VP's have any pull and his ideas just may fade out.

PkrBum wrote:what's not been considered as yet... is that ryan would have less control over legislation as vp. john adams hated being vp for that reason... perhaps the powers that be are doing this for that reason... it's embarrassing to have someone practicing common sense right in the middle of congress.

*Secret_Angel* wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Buttman wrote:Here's some of the democrat and the republican spin all on one page. So as you can see this is gonna be a bitch for us to get through the bullshit and get to the truth...


Ryan just did Democrats a huge favor: Last year, Ryan and other GOP leaders got their colleagues to "hold hands and jump off the cliff together," says Steve Benen at MSNBC, by voting for "the party's right-wing, Medicare-killing plan." It was a near suicidal act — "the attack ads wrote themselves." Now the incredibly unpopular proposals are back, and Ryan is asking Republicans to vote once again for a plan that guts Medicare to give "a big tax cut to the wealthy." Vulnerable GOP incumbents might as well start packing their bags now.
"Why the House GOP may not love its own budget plan"

Actually, this shows voters Republicans are the grown-ups: Ryan's budget is "coherent, responsible, and serious," says Yuval Levin at National Review. His attempt to enact long-overdue Medicare reform is "the most needful and essential of his prescriptions," and it shows "why the coming election matters." Either we can return Democrats to power and continue "the same blind march" toward fiscal catastrophe, or we can go with the GOP, and have "a genuine cause for hope."
"The new Ryan budget"

http://theweek.com/article/index/225793/paul-ryans-new-medicare-killing-budget-will-it-help-the-gop

And he said all that without batting an eye. Oh, yeah, I'm so hopeful that we might return to Bush-era fiscal responsibility. It was such a comfort having both Bushes at the helm, but especially L'il George the pretender.

Pay attention!!! Nothing has changed in Republican policy. Elect a Republican and watch whatever is left for the people dwindle to crumbs, and that includes Social Security.

yeah, because the obama era has been so fruitful for all of us.

I feel so stupid

Floridatexan wrote:

*Secret_Angel* wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Buttman wrote:Here's some of the democrat and the republican spin all on one page. So as you can see this is gonna be a bitch for us to get through the bullshit and get to the truth...


Ryan just did Democrats a huge favor: Last year, Ryan and other GOP leaders got their colleagues to "hold hands and jump off the cliff together," says Steve Benen at MSNBC, by voting for "the party's right-wing, Medicare-killing plan." It was a near suicidal act — "the attack ads wrote themselves." Now the incredibly unpopular proposals are back, and Ryan is asking Republicans to vote once again for a plan that guts Medicare to give "a big tax cut to the wealthy." Vulnerable GOP incumbents might as well start packing their bags now.
"Why the House GOP may not love its own budget plan"

Actually, this shows voters Republicans are the grown-ups: Ryan's budget is "coherent, responsible, and serious," says Yuval Levin at National Review. His attempt to enact long-overdue Medicare reform is "the most needful and essential of his prescriptions," and it shows "why the coming election matters." Either we can return Democrats to power and continue "the same blind march" toward fiscal catastrophe, or we can go with the GOP, and have "a genuine cause for hope."
"The new Ryan budget"

http://theweek.com/article/index/225793/paul-ryans-new-medicare-killing-budget-will-it-help-the-gop

And he said all that without batting an eye. Oh, yeah, I'm so hopeful that we might return to Bush-era fiscal responsibility. It was such a comfort having both Bushes at the helm, but especially L'il George the pretender.

Pay attention!!! Nothing has changed in Republican policy. Elect a Republican and watch whatever is left for the people dwindle to crumbs, and that includes Social Security.

yeah, because the obama era has been so fruitful for all of us.

I feel so stupid

You should feel stupid, because you know full well that it was Republicans who destroyed the economy and vowed to obstruct any legislation that would help the President and the country.

*Secret_Angel* wrote:im back to voting for romney today. im not happy about it, but never was

I figure I know for a fact that obama is screwing up the health system, so im not sure exactly what there plan is, but maybe it is different than the stupid one we have now.

reaper1948 wrote:

*Secret_Angel* wrote:im back to voting for romney today. im not happy about it, but never was

I figure I know for a fact that obama is screwing up the health system, so im not sure exactly what there plan is, but maybe it is different than the stupid one we have now.

I'll go back and forth until election day comes. I think on one hand no one every listens to the VP and most don't hold that position in high regard, then on the other what if this is the exception? It really is too bad Ron Paul didn't get the nomination. This is going to a tough decision since I can't stand either party choices.

alecto wrote:Bob as it stands now with Obamacare 500 to 700 million will be cut from medicare over the next decade. That is a fact with Obamacare. What will that mean for senior, reduced care, reduced quality, and a whole lot of headaches. I haven't look at Romney/Ryans ideas or plans so I can not elaborate on those but I would imagine it will not benefit you either. The only people I see Romney/Ryan helping will be the higher income people.

thread_bear wrote:
where do you get those stats...?

i'll be the first to admit that i do not even begin to understand the complexity that shrouds so-called Obamacare.

i don't get it.

this argument has grown long in the tooth. are we so unique as a country that universal health care is just not feasible....?

if we stopped interfering in every one else's bid'nes, slashed the DOD budget, and made a concentrated effort, universal healthcare would be a viable argument.

isn't it odd that we would rather kill folk and destroy their stuff than provide basic health care for all American citizens....?

PkrBum wrote:

It messes with Medicare Advantage and how much the government will subsidize each plan. It will cut (not 2013) a little of how much premium dollars it will pay the insurance company, you should be happy for this. $500 million is a drop in the bucket considering how many seniors in the nation have one of these plans. It does not cut from the beneficiary. Remember when Bush signed the Medicare Act of 2003 and implemented the Part D prescription drugs and expanded the Medicare Advantage plans this was suppose to save Medicare 13% per senior on these plans, rather it increased it, so therefore it has to be cut a little. Most people don't understand that the government is paying an annual premium of around $10,000 per person on a Medicare Advantage plan to the insurance company to handle their health care. If they took that back to $9000 it may save the $500 million.

With all the talk about the cuts what about what Obama has done for the prescription drug plan for seniors by gradually closing the donut hole and making the manufacturers pay for more of the drugs in the donut hole.

A republican of all people on faux news this morning said that seniors don't realize that Ryan's Medicare plan will take away from the drug plan and Medicare advantage plans immediately after passed. So this plan that is only suppose to effect 55 and under in the future is smoke up everyone's ass.

If you look back Bush borrowed the money from social security to fund the beginning of the war. Too many IOU's in this program, too bad it could have sustained itself if both parties had not borrowed for many, many years.

Privatize social for your age group and in 25 years another 911 happens or depression and all your age group has saved is wiped out. I don't know what the solution is, but I know as an independent leaning on voting for Romney just lost my vote.

thread_bear wrote:

alecto wrote:Bob as it stands now with Obamacare 500 to 700 million will be cut from medicare over the next decade. That is a fact with Obamacare. What will that mean for senior, reduced care, reduced quality, and a whole lot of headaches. I haven't look at Romney/Ryans ideas or plans so I can not elaborate on those but I would imagine it will not benefit you either. The only people I see Romney/Ryan helping will be the higher income people.

where do you get those stats...?

i'll be the first to admit that i do not even begin to understand the complexity that shrouds so-called Obamacare.



i don't get it.

this argument has grown long in the tooth. are we so unique as a country that universal health care is just not feasible....?

if we stopped interfering in every one else's bid'nes, slashed the DOD budget, and made a concentrated effort, universal healthcare would be a viable argument.

isn't it odd that we would rather kill folk and destroy their stuff than provide basic health care for all American citizens....?

Well said, TB

Markle wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

It messes with Medicare Advantage and how much the government will subsidize each plan. It will cut (not 2013) a little of how much premium dollars it will pay the insurance company, you should be happy for this. $500 million is a drop in the bucket considering how many seniors in the nation have one of these plans. It does not cut from the beneficiary. Remember when Bush signed the Medicare Act of 2003 and implemented the Part D prescription drugs and expanded the Medicare Advantage plans this was suppose to save Medicare 13% per senior on these plans, rather it increased it, so therefore it has to be cut a little. Most people don't understand that the government is paying an annual premium of around $10,000 per person on a Medicare Advantage plan to the insurance company to handle their health care. If they took that back to $9000 it may save the $500 million.

With all the talk about the cuts what about what Obama has done for the prescription drug plan for seniors by gradually closing the donut hole and making the manufacturers pay for more of the drugs in the donut hole.

A republican of all people on faux news this morning said that seniors don't realize that Ryan's Medicare plan will take away from the drug plan and Medicare advantage plans immediately after passed. So this plan that is only suppose to effect 55 and under in the future is smoke up everyone's ass.

If you look back Bush borrowed the money from social security to fund the beginning of the war. Too many IOU's in this program, too bad it could have sustained itself if both parties had not borrowed for many, many years.

Privatize social for your age group and in 25 years another 911 happens or depression and all your age group has saved is wiped out. I don't know what the solution is, but I know as an independent leaning on voting for Romney just lost my vote.

there is no doubt that medicare will be cut... and every other govt expense including the obamacare expanded medicaid. i keep saying it, but... we will either make these cuts now with clear eyes... or they will be dictated to us as terms of our debt. it ain't rocket surgery.

reaper1948 wrote:

Markle wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

It messes with Medicare Advantage and how much the government will subsidize each plan. It will cut (not 2013) a little of how much premium dollars it will pay the insurance company, you should be happy for this. $500 million is a drop in the bucket considering how many seniors in the nation have one of these plans. It does not cut from the beneficiary. Remember when Bush signed the Medicare Act of 2003 and implemented the Part D prescription drugs and expanded the Medicare Advantage plans this was suppose to save Medicare 13% per senior on these plans, rather it increased it, so therefore it has to be cut a little. Most people don't understand that the government is paying an annual premium of around $10,000 per person on a Medicare Advantage plan to the insurance company to handle their health care. If they took that back to $9000 it may save the $500 million.

With all the talk about the cuts what about what Obama has done for the prescription drug plan for seniors by gradually closing the donut hole and making the manufacturers pay for more of the drugs in the donut hole.

A republican of all people on faux news this morning said that seniors don't realize that Ryan's Medicare plan will take away from the drug plan and Medicare advantage plans immediately after passed. So this plan that is only suppose to effect 55 and under in the future is smoke up everyone's ass.

If you look back Bush borrowed the money from social security to fund the beginning of the war. Too many IOU's in this program, too bad it could have sustained itself if both parties had not borrowed for many, many years.

Privatize social for your age group and in 25 years another 911 happens or depression and all your age group has saved is wiped out. I don't know what the solution is, but I know as an independent leaning on voting for Romney just lost my vote.

there is no doubt that medicare will be cut... and every other govt expense including the obamacare expanded medicaid. i keep saying it, but... we will either make these cuts now with clear eyes... or they will be dictated to us as terms of our debt. it ain't rocket surgery.

The slashes to Medicare, under ObamaCare is $500 BILLION not $500 MILLION. Slight difference.

CBO: Medicare Cuts Could “Reduce Access To Care Or Diminish The Quality Of Care.” (CBO Director Doug Elmendorf, Letter To Sen. Harry Reid, 11/18/09, P. 1, 17)

$135 BILLION IN CUTS TO HOSPITALS SERVING SENIORS
(CBO, E-mail To Senate Leadership Staff, 11/20/09)

$120 BILLION IN CUTS TO MEDICARE ADVANTAGE

MORE THAN $40 BILLION CUT FROM HOME HEALTH AGENCIES
(CBO, E-mail To Senate Leadership Staff, 11/20/09)

NEARLY $15 BILLION IN CUTS TO NURSING HOMES
(CBO, E-mail To Senate Leadership Staff, 11/20/09)

NEARLY $8 BILLION FROM HOSPICES
(CBO, E-mail To Senate Leadership Staff, 11/20/09)


Medicare is in deep trouble. It needs to be fixed, not raided to create yet another new government program.