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November 3, 2013: Morris Dees on the "Patriot Movement"

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TEOTWAWKI
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PBulldog2

PBulldog2

November 3, 2013

Dear (redacted),

The 23-year-old man arrested for killing a TSA official at Los Angeles International Airport on Friday was carrying a one-page "manifesto" that referred to the "New World Order," the Federal Reserve and "fiat currency," according to our sources.

The language and references appear to put the suspect, Paul Ciancia, squarely in the conspiracy-minded world of the antigovernment "Patriot" and militia movement. The attack comes at a time, as we've documented, that this far-right extremist movement has been growing by leaps and bounds – from some 149 groups in 2008 to 1,360 last year. It's partly a reaction to our nation's first African-American president and our country's changing demographics.

Please take a moment to read our exclusive analysis of the extremism that may prove to be linked to Ciancia's motives.

In recent months, we've urged the federal government to devote more resources to combating potential domestic terrorists. And, with your help, we'll continue tracking this dangerous movement and providing law enforcement with vital intelligence and training.

Sincerely,

Morris Dees
Founder, Southern Poverty Law Center

2seaoat



My posts about our resident nazi and the new strategies that these groups have employed as they gather the marginal characters in our society who have personal problems and find purpose in being able to blame somebody else for their circumstances. We have had to endure the stench of posts on this forum and the PNJ which feed into this irrational hate and prejudice and for all of you who think that the threads are harmless and the poison which is spread is harmless, tell that to the family of the TSA agent, as we have seen the hate generated right here towards individuals who are trying to protect the flying public. I cannot speak for others, but I will no longer sit back and be appeasing hate and prejudice which is posted here. It is filth just like a child pornographer posting their filth. Yes, BP may have been a nice guy, but his posts were hateful, and we later found out perhaps he was deeply troubled. Posting hateful and irrational threads is a true indicator of underlying psychological imbalance. Accepting the same is wrong. We each can make our own decisions. I have made mine.

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

I am on the Southern Poverty Law Center's mailing list, so it's fairly obvious where I stand on the issue of hate groups.

I didn't know that the number of patriot/militia groups had increased so drastically. That is frightening to me.

2seaoat



I didn't know that the number of patriot/militia groups had increased so drastically. That is frightening to me.


Do you think it is by accident that those type of posts have found their way to this forum and the old PNJ. It is a stated strategy of hate groups. Their influence can be pervasive with disturbed and broken people, and yet most here lack the courage to challenge when hate group poison is posted here. We turn it into personalities rather than content and intent. I remain dedicated to challenging all hate group threads, and some people are just determined to link to hate group sites. Those posts will be challenged, and I will as PK has posted have concern for my well being.....yep, appeasers get upset when somebody comes along and regardless of the consequences calls a nazi a nazi. These groups spew lies, and the propaganda is easy to challenge, and in the past I usually ignored the same as rantings of people with large personal problems, but no ground will be given to hate. The family of this TSA agent did not have him dehumanized in one single thread on a forum, but thousands of coordinated threads were required to move the insanity gage..........well truth shall prevail.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT NO LONGER REPRESENTS THEM THAT THEIR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT AND THAT THE TOO BIG TO FAILS ARE ABOVE THE LAW AND ROBBING THIS COUNTRY BLIND WITH THE BLESSINGS OF ALL BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT. Damned caps lock, Obama comes in making fun of those that cling to God and guns and do you think that gives comfort to patriots that believe in the constitution. Only a fool can't see the deliberate erosion of our rights and the putting in place of a police state structure. If you want to be afraid of something be afraid of what our government is complicit in and allowing to happen.

PBulldog2

PBulldog2

Let me be clear: I do not support hate groups of any type.

Here is the article from Hatewatch:

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/splc-exclusive-alleged-lax-shooter-referenced-antigovernment-manifesto

2seaoat



If you want to be afraid of something be afraid of what our government is complicit in and allowing to happen.


I am not afraid of a thing. I will leave that to the cowards who post from hate sites. I will be going to a public meeting this evening and voicing my concerns and making things happen in a local government unit.  The people who are elected and appointed are not evil people, but people who are working to make this country better.  I work every day for improvements and doing the right thing.  We live in a great country.

Do not cowardly escape the blood on your hands.   This is not about the people or what they want, as if this is a political discussion.  This is about a coordinated campaign by hate groups to distill propaganda which destroys government and the democracy which allows people you believe are inferior to prop up your sad life.   You could have been at the scene whispering in this shooters ear because your filth is constantly being broadcast and not challenged ,and sick and weak people congregate and finally, as in this case, cross the line and kill an honorable man working to protect the flying public.   You are a coward and a hypocrite.   Man up and be truthful.......you know what you have posted, where you have gotten your sources and what your purpose is......do not hide behind the skirts of democracy when you utterly want to destroy the same.  You are a coward.

Guest


Guest

You are a coward......LOL Says a man who refuses to be identified and lives 100s of miles from the people he engages in dialog.

2seaoat



Let me be clear: I do not support hate groups of any type.

I think most of the good people on this forum would agree with that statement, but supporting the same is one thing.......standing by and doing nothing is another. Good people must challenge hate. It is not an option. I have people on this forum who question my sanity because I have no tolerance for the hate which has been posted by a nazi on this forum. They either trivialize my concern, or simply think that what has been posted is "normal". It is not normal. This man was killed as a direct result of not enough people across the internet challenging this poison. People have to make moral choices and sometimes the choice is neither enjoyable or fruitful, but it is the right choice.

2seaoat



You are a coward......LOL Says a man who refuses to be identified and lives 100s of miles from the people he engages in dialog.

Neither identity or proximity dampen truth when hate and prejudice are purveyed with purpose. People die from the same. So if you believe to be a moral person you must be the content of your post, and you must be near, then you sir have conveniently distanced yourself from the content of the discussion.

Guest


Guest

To call a vet that you don't even know "a coward" is the ramblings of a fool!!!

2seaoat



To call a vet that you don't even know "a coward" is the ramblings of a fool!!!

I never met Hitler and he was a vet with an honorable discharge. However, I did read his words and they were sick and evil, and yes......cowardly. I have no problem reaching that conclusion after five years of cowardly hateful blame, which does no happen in a vaccum, but influences the real world. However, that is an interesting way to create revisionist history......all the monsters who have thrived in hate and prejudice in history can be excused for being a vet.....welcome to your world.

Guest


Guest

welcome to your world. My world is real. I am real. You could talk to me face to face if you chose to. You have the advantage. You are a ghost.

Sal

Sal

I've criticized Mr. Oats a little bit for using the term "nazi" a little too loosely for my tastes.

For me, a Nazi is a very specific thing.

However, aside from that nitpick, everything he's saying is dead cinch correct.

T regularly posts from sites that promote paranoia and hate regarding our government, and most just chuckle at eccentric Ol' Teo.

But, that stuff is insidious and can cause violence when introduced to the truly warped mind.

Instead of chuckling, it should be challenged and shunned at every turn.

2seaoat



welcome to your world. My world is real. I am real. You could talk to me face to face if you chose to. You have the advantage. You are a ghost.


You are capser to me.....I could not identify you if I tried. Now Biz guy is a ghost to me, but somehow I think that man is working to make the real world better, yet he remains a ghost.....I would guess ghosts do make a difference, and ideas do matter.

Guest


Guest

But, that stuff is insidious and can cause violence when introduced to the truly warped mind.

Anything might affect a "truly warped mind".. A Damn Spongebob cartoon might set a lunatic off....

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal wrote:I've criticized Mr. Oats a little bit for using the term "nazi" a little too loosely for my tastes.

For me, a Nazi is a very specific thing.

However, aside from that nitpick, everything he's saying is dead cinch correct.

T regularly posts from sites that promote paranoia and hate regarding our government, and most just chuckle at eccentric Ol' Teo.

But, that stuff is insidious and can cause violence when introduced to the truly warped mind.

Instead of chuckling, it should be challenged and shunned at every turn.
That being the case then all video games and movies should be banned especially all those crime shows that portray the killers as clever or misunderstood. What you want is a fluffy little world where there are no crazies. Perhaps your women should wear burqas because they might set off some sexual deviant, perhaps we should just do away with the fuckin freedom of speech amendment JUST to suit you !

SHUNNED ! that is a religious way of controlling the flock I am amazed you would recommend that ...you can join seaoat in the tool box.



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2seaoat



I've criticized Mr. Oats a little bit for using the term "nazi" a little too loosely for my tastes.

Perhaps I am as clumsy with political ideology as PK is, and perhaps with the use of the word I lessen the true horrors associated with the same, but the consistency of five years of hate and prejudice, the source links, and the paradigm which is well defined makes me very comfortable continuing to use what I think is a proper description.

I have always personally liked T. I have no tolerance for Nazi ideology or perhaps PB use of the word hate groups, and unfortunately I will no longer separate my like of the person from the harmful poison he spews which for the most part goes unchallenged. I am a dick to many and I do like to stir the post to challenge intellectual discussions, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the same. It involves honor and duty. This man who was murdered was dehumanized by a sick individual.....people are intentionally spewing this hate on the internet.....and I have for too long appeased the same.....no more....and yes, I am still a dick.

Guest


Guest

PB, are you agreeing with seaoat about his summation of teo?

2seaoat



What you want is a fluffy little world where there are no crazies. Perhaps your women should wear burqas because they might set off some sexual deviant, perhaps we should just do away with the fuckin freedom of speech amendment JUST to suit you !

No fluffy little world, just a world where cowards and sick people are clearly defined, and the lies and poison they spew are challenged because clearly the same can effect the sick and weak in our society who gravitate to this ideology to explain their broken personal lives. If this murder was a first, if this profile was not so certain, perhaps this would be a fluffy world of political correctness, but it is not. It is nazi hate with a purpose. It must be challenged and fought from the git go. You will get no cover. You can quote honorable men, but your words are your morality and there is no association of your hate and attempt to be honorable with those great men....no this is just run of the mill pedestrian nazi crap.....and honorable men and women will recognize the same. People work for this government who sacrifice to make this a better place for my grandchildren, and I will be damned if I am going to appease a nazi who seeks to destroy this country.

Sal

Sal

Mr Ichi wrote:But, that stuff is insidious and can cause violence when introduced to the truly warped mind.

Anything might affect a "truly warped mind"..   A Damn Spongebob cartoon might set a lunatic off....

We're not talking about a Sponge Bob cartoon.

We're talking about wild manic tales of government false flag operations, crisis actors, fake blood, and magic pixie dust that can make everyone do the tyrannical government's bidding.

This is the stuff that can light a fuse and get people killed.

I'm not suggesting censorship by any means, but people of good conscience should challenge it at every turn and shun those who propagate it.

Comparing this stuff to a Sponge Bob cartoon demonstrates your willingness to defend it and identifies you as part of the problem.

Guest


Guest

My point is this... Knowledge is power... The more infomation you have on your enemy the better off you are...When links to these Hate groups are posted you gain in sight into who and what they are. Many times it is just some Punk ass kids stirring the pot. Their logic is flawed and it is humorous to pick their ideas apart. 99.9% of them are nothing.....Could someone actually believe the shit? Of course. People send 1,000s of dollars to Pat Robinson because he said New Orleans was wiped out because of the gays. You can not stop the spread of garbage by not talking about it and trying to Ban it. Just aint going to happen any more than not telling a woman about sex is going to made her a Nun..
It is amusing to me to watch people go ballistic over these "hate" organizations. They make good talking points and arouse the anger and blood pressure of many people. But in the entire scheme of things, they aint shit..A splinter group of fool, nothing more.

Sal

Sal

Mr Ichi wrote:My point is this... Knowledge is power... The more infomation you have on your enemy the better off you are...When links to these Hate groups are posted you gain in sight into who and what they are.  Many times it is just some Punk ass kids stirring the pot.  Their logic is flawed and it is humorous to pick their ideas apart.  99.9% of them are nothing.....Could someone actually believe the shit?  Of course.  People send 1,000s of dollars to Pat Robinson because he said New Orleans was wiped out because of the gays. You can not stop the spread of garbage by not talking about it and trying to Ban it.  Just aint going to happen any more than not telling a woman about sex is going to made her a Nun..  
It is amusing to me to watch people go ballistic over these "hate" organizations.   They make good talking points and arouse the anger and blood pressure of many people.  But in the entire scheme of things, they aint shit..A splinter group of fool, nothing more.

Tell that to the TSA agent's widow.

Guest


Guest

I have always been part of the problem.... Nothing new...

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal wrote:
Mr Ichi wrote:But, that stuff is insidious and can cause violence when introduced to the truly warped mind.

Anything might affect a "truly warped mind"..   A Damn Spongebob cartoon might set a lunatic off....

We're not talking about a Sponge Bob cartoon.

We're talking about wild manic tales of government false flag operations, crisis actors, fake blood, and magic pixie dust that can make everyone do the tyrannical government's bidding.

This is the stuff that can light a fuse and get people killed.

I'm not suggesting censorship by any means, but people of good conscience should challenge it at every turn and shun those who propagate it.

Comparing this stuff to a Sponge Bob cartoon demonstrates your willingness to defend it and identifies you as part of the problem.
DID YOU GO TO VIETNAM ON A LIE ? so some fat cats could make millions on a useless war HELL NO YOU DIDN'T. All these wars have been lies and fabrications and yet you want me to trust all these convenient events that support more and more police state growth...The government is a bunch of lying traitors that would kill you or anyone else to advance their agenda.. We are broke as a nation the welfare tap will soon be empty and they want to escape unharmed ..sheep like you will help them, you will just go off and die like they want....


Tell the troops that went to Iraq it was a spongebob cartoon....

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