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Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:15 pm
Exactly! Teo has a right to express his opinions and he shouldn't be called sick just because you think he's dead wrong on things.Mr Ichi wrote:So, Mr Oats, you are saying that we should not even speak of the dangers of chemo and using alternate treatments less we lead some unsuspecting person to their death? If we have a conviction and would like to discuss it then this should not be allowed. To do would be "Sick" and reek of witchcraft and Voodoo...
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:19 pm Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:23 pmHe has as much right to express his opinions on here about medicine, illness, treatments...as you do or I do or anyone does. If he were actually practicing medicine and hurting people, it'd be a different story.2seaoat wrote:A truly sick person is one who would intentionally do harm
I strongly disagree. A person is judged by their actions and words. When a forum member was in need, the first person to aid that person was T. Those actions should be complimented and praised. However, when he posts hateful material, or he posts harmful material where people who are facing life changing choices are bombarded with anti intellectual and anti science nonsense, it is not by accident. It is a conscious choice. It has ramifications on people who read these threads and it spreads intentionally misinformation which hurts people who may be facing very difficult choices.
It also involves a threshold of integrity and honesty. If this thread was about the very difficult road a breast cancer patient faced and some of the problems with chemo, I would have given him a pass, but this thread was about an intentional lie. I am watching a dear fellow employee die...the radiation and chemo are devastating and my tears and those in our building are uncontrollable. She worried about me for the last two years, and now we are discussing these horrible choices.....and PAINFUL choices she must make. Her husband eyes are so deeply painful when we discussed her treatment, and to think this evil nonsense just gets broadcast into a world without consequences is wrong. When we post things on these forums, or repeat things in real life there are consequences. We have choices to do good or evil. This thread was sick from the git go.
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Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:23 pm Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:24 pmCorrect. If anyone had expertise in the area it would be one thing but sadly they should not influence the feeble minded on here.Mr Ichi wrote:So, Mr Oats, you are saying that we should not even speak of the dangers of chemo and using alternate treatments less we lead some unsuspecting person to their death? If we have a conviction and would like to discuss it then this should not be allowed. To do would be "Sick" and reek of witchcraft and Voodoo...
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How about Don Quixote'ish?Nekochan wrote:I just object to the term sick being used in reference to Teo. Call him eccentric, weird or even crazy. But the term sick makes me think of someone who does truly evil things.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:36 pmLOL! It is the religion that twists the mind and makes people delusional.Sal wrote:I think Teo was shaped by what he perceived to be his own personal betrayal by the military and/or government.
That sense of betrayal has translated into distrust of authority of any kind.
I like Teo and think he's very intelligent, but he's obviously paranoid and somewhat delusional.
It must be exhausting to have that many bogeymen stalking you.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:39 pm
What I'm detecting here is an all-or-nothing approach. The idea is to combine therapies, checking for contraindications with whatever medications you're on. M D Anderson Hospital in Houston ran clinical trials on turmeric (curcumin) in the treatment of cancer. It is being used as an adjunct to traditional chemo and radiation. Marijuana was certified by the American College of Physicians in the treatment of certain conditions, including safer pain management, and of course glaucoma. Dr. Sanjay Gupta recently changed his former position on marijuana after witnessing its effectiveness as a treatment for seizures in children. There's another substance in the plant besides THC that controls seizures, and the plants can be engineered to produce more of this substance.2seaoat wrote:People need both sides.
No people do not need both sides when the choice is ignorance or science. The probabilities in Cancer treatment have allowed many types of cancer which were terminal to be rendered into chronic conditions or outright cured. However, science can not overcome currently some very virulent and strong strains of cancer. To suggest that a patient must listen to idiotic ignorance as a choice, or the other side assumes that the science is bad and must be countered. The science is not bad. The probabilities are often very grim for some, and the choice not to do chemo is certainly an option after having everything from a scientific probability explained to a patient who gives their consent to the course of treatment. This anti intellectual strain which is so pronounced today and has almost risen to a cult like political status exploits people's fears and is exactly why folks like kevin Tradeau are sitting in a jail cell.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:43 pm
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:48 pmWell, geez...you and your good self just go right ahead and compare Teo to a real sicko who hurts children.2seaoat wrote:It may have served its purpose. It made you think......
It served no purpose but its intended purpose to suggest that science and intellectual approaches to disease are quackery and that chemo killed this woman. You make excuses. Yes, everybody has a right to an opinion on these forms. If BP wanted to post that diddling children was good for children and I called him sick, I am sure people would say that BP should have the right to post his sick crap on this forum.......but I and other good people can identify it for what it was......sick.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:52 pmWell geez ... you and your good self just go right ahead and stigmatize all people suffering from a mental illness by comparing them to murderers and pedophiles.Nekochan wrote:Well, geez...you and your good self just go right ahead and compare Teo to a real sicko who hurts children.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:53 pmWell, I don't think Don Quixote was a child molester....so sure, why not?boards of FL wrote:How about Don Quixote'ish?Nekochan wrote:I just object to the term sick being used in reference to Teo. Call him eccentric, weird or even crazy. But the term sick makes me think of someone who does truly evil things.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 2:55 pmJust call everyone with any issues or out of the ordinary ideas "sick", that settles everything.Sal wrote:Well geez ... you and your good self just go right ahead and stigmatize all people suffering from a mental illness by comparing them to murderers and pedophiles.Nekochan wrote:Well, geez...you and your good self just go right ahead and compare Teo to a real sicko who hurts children.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 3:01 pm Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 3:03 pm Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 3:28 pm
I'm scared shitless of it. But it's not the dying part. I have no problem with the dying if it's in my sleep. It's the possibility of all the suffering and loss of quality of life leading up to the dying that scares me.PkrBum wrote:Most people are afraid of dying... no matter what they say.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 3:31 pmSure glad you watched it, neko. It was produced in 2008. Here it is for anyone who wants to see it...Floridatexan wrote:
I recommend also that everyone watch the FRONTLINE Bob posted. It's excellent.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 3:46 pm
I had a real close friend that died of breast cancer also. She talked to her husband and grown kids about the chemo and radiation. After lengthy discussions with them, they chose to forgo any medical treatment whatsoever. Teo, I can state without a doubt that my friend looked much much worse than this lady. So with this in mind, your question still goes unanswered. Did the chemo kill her, possibly, but in the case of my friend there is not doubt that it was the cancer.TEOTWAWKI wrote:http://www.viralnova.com/wifes-cancer/
Man photographs wife's descent from health to death with breast cancer.
Now ask yourself, Does it look like the cancer killed her, or the chemo?
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 3:55 pm
I will defend Teo like I have defended others on this forum. He's a good guy!Nekochan wrote:Teo has his reasons not to trust modern medicine. I don't agree with him on this (or a lot of things!) but I don't think he's sick.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 3:57 pmI liked his Klatu avatar best.....boards of FL wrote:How about Don Quixote'ish?Nekochan wrote:I just object to the term sick being used in reference to Teo. Call him eccentric, weird or even crazy. But the term sick makes me think of someone who does truly evil things.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 4:04 pmI think Jack Kevorkian was a forward thinker.Bob wrote:I'm scared shitless of it. But it's not the dying part. I have no problem with the dying if it's in my sleep. It's the possibility of all the suffering and loss of quality of life leading up to the dying that scares me.PkrBum wrote:Most people are afraid of dying... no matter what they say.
That's why it pisses me off that Dr. Kevorkian was shouted down and put in jail just for being a humanitarian.
Re: Chemo's face.... 10/25/2013, 4:07 pmSeaoat, with all due respect, Teo never stated that chemo killed the women. He ask what we thought killed her. It was just a thought provoking question. I realize that he is not a fan of modern medicine, but that is his choice and the opinions that he states here are by his own choice just as your are of your own free will. If a person is gullible enough to be swayed by someone's opinion then they should get what they deserve. However, Teo's opinion of chemo does not make him a sick person.2seaoat wrote:It may have served its purpose. It made you think......
It served no purpose but its intended purpose to suggest that science and intellectual approaches to disease are quackery and that chemo killed this woman. You make excuses. Yes, everybody has a right to an opinion on these forms. If BP wanted to post that diddling children was good for children and I called him sick, I am sure people would say that BP should have the right to post his sick crap on this forum.......but I and other good people can identify it for what it was......sick.
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