The cost of getting minor outpatient surgery at Sacred Heart Hospital (the hospital which a report Mr. Ichi cited yesterday is one of the "most affordable" hospitals in the state)

knothead wrote:

On a side bar issue related to your bill: last year my wife was hospitalized for an obstructed bowel and stayed in the hospital for nine days ending with a surgical procedure.  Our portion owed to the hospital was $14,000.  On her discharge I went straight to the business office and asked to have a meet with the Director.  I simply stated that we could do this one of two ways, I'll pay this in installments of small increments over a very long period of time OR tell me what you'll settle for as an immediate final payment.  I was told they would settle on the spot for $6500 if payment was received within three business days.  We shook on it and the issue was settled.  

Bob wrote:

knothead wrote:

On a side bar issue related to your bill: last year my wife was hospitalized for an obstructed bowel and stayed in the hospital for nine days ending with a surgical procedure.  Our portion owed to the hospital was $14,000.  On her discharge I went straight to the business office and asked to have a meet with the Director.  I simply stated that we could do this one of two ways, I'll pay this in installments of small increments over a very long period of time OR tell me what you'll settle for as an immediate final payment.  I was told they would settle on the spot for $6500 if payment was received within three business days.  We shook on it and the issue was settled.  

Thanks,  knothead.  Was that at a Pensacola hospital?

Bob wrote:More for seaoat,

http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/obamacare-healthcare-gov-website-cost/

A half a fucking billion dollars thrown down a rathole for that worthless, useless, piece of shit website.  And you believe the same goddamn douchebag politicians who are responsible for that are going to provide a solution to the astronomical costs of health care.  
What a sick tragic joke all this has become.

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:Best healthcare system in the world!  

It is what it was regulated to be. The average joe didn't have a seat at that table.

2seaoat wrote:I have done start up websites.  I had one crash on the first day and it took me three weeks to find out the software was limiting my concurrent users to 10 people, and this was after running ads in newspapers.  A disaster, but three months later we had debugged the system.  They will do the same.  

Nekochan wrote:LOL, Bob.   

About the problems...my son was over here the other day and he said that the government should have hired someone who knows how to handle lots of traffic--like Google--to set up the system.  Of course, that job probably went to the lowest bidder...so it ends up costing taxpayers more than it would have it they had just hired someone who could get the job done right in the first place.

Bob wrote:

Nekochan wrote:LOL, Bob.   

About the problems...my son was over here the other day and he said that the government should have hired someone who knows how to handle lots of traffic--like Google--to set up the system.  Of course, that job probably went to the lowest bidder...so it ends up costing taxpayers more than it would have it they had just hired someone who could get the job done right in the first place.

There was no bidding,  neko.  This was a no-bid contract.  
Exactly like Dick Cheney's company,  Halliburton,  got all that business in Iraq with a no-bid contract.

Aren't you starting to get the message now?  Republicans,  Democrats,  whatever,  they all do business the same goddamn way.

Nekochan wrote:I didn't know that.  I don't think no-bid contracts are always a bad thing. Depends on the circumstances.  And Halliburton got no bid contracts before the Bush Admin was in power.  But is there a reason a particular company got this Obamacare job?  Because they have not gotten the job done.

Bob wrote:

Nekochan wrote:I didn't know that.  I don't think no-bid contracts are always a bad thing. Depends on the circumstances.  And Halliburton got no bid contracts before the Bush Admin was in power.  But is there a reason a particular company got this Obamacare job?  Because they have not gotten the job done.

That's right,  neko,  Halliburton got no-bid contracts when a democrat was in power and it got them when a republican was in power.  And this same website developer also got no-big contracts when Bush was in power as well when Obama is in power (read the links I provided earlier).  Get the picture?

And as for the reason any outfit gets a no-bid government contract,  just follow the money.

Nekochan wrote:There are problems with going with the lowest bidder as well.  Many, many problems...

Bob wrote:

Nekochan wrote:There are problems with going with the lowest bidder as well.  Many, many problems...

Well without bids,  we have the obamacare website developer and we have this...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/halliburton200711

So if it can get any worse than that,  you'll have to prove it to me with specific examples.

Nekochan wrote:  I don't think the solution will ever involve totally doing away with fraud.

Mr Ichi wrote:Looks like a job for the  Studer group as your Patient  satisfaction seems to be lacking.. ........
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28 Studer Group Partners Recognized as one of America’s 100 Best Hospitals for Patient Experience in 2013

Nekochan wrote:

Bob wrote:

Nekochan wrote:There are problems with going with the lowest bidder as well.  Many, many problems...

Well without bids,  we have the obamacare website developer and we have this...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/halliburton200711

So if it can get any worse than that,  you'll have to prove it to me with specific examples.

A bid shouldn't only be about the lowest cost, but about whether a company can deliver the product for the cost they bid on it.  I don't know the answer to solving this but I think that there is always going to be fraud involved...there are always people who will figure a way to steal money or to fraudulently divert money from the government.  I don't think the solution will ever involve totally doing away with fraud.

Bob wrote:

Mr Ichi wrote:Looks like a job for the  Studer group as your Patient  satisfaction seems to be lacking.. ........
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28 Studer Group Partners Recognized as one of America’s 100 Best Hospitals for Patient Experience in 2013

I understand Studer made his money by being a consultant to hospitals to coach them how to conduct their business.  And that Baptist was one of his clients.  Did he also work his magic on Sacred Heart too?